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Your Beliefs

DexysMidnightRuner

DexysMidnightRuner

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what are they. do you believe in god? do you believe in reincarnation? nothing? science. are we all just here for no real reason?

i personally have no idea what mine are. im interested in buddhism, but i think i need to do some more research on it. i dont really have any profound life realizations to share. im pretty much belief less and slightly lost.
 
That's a good place to be, I think... belief-less and slightly lost. There's really no need to believe in anything. The most troublesome belief, I think, is the belief that belief is necessary.

"Beginner's mind" is good, being clueless is good. Everyone is clueless, but few will admit it.

Simply being open to what comes, and letting go what goes... in a universe of ceaseless change, it can't get any better than that, IME.

P.S. and that's essentially what Buddhism will tell ya ;).
 
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Actually my beliefs on the matter are that we are all bozos on this bus, coming up with dumb ideas or good ideas, it doesn't really matter. no one really knows why we're here or what we're supposed to be aiming for.
Science is only able to answer hypotheses that are falsifiable, and there are lots of other types of questions than those.
 
"Nothing is true, anything is possible."
-- Robert Anton Wilson

Unlike Dedbeet, I believe in belief. I think that changing what you are willing to accept as true and given can have profound effects on how you affect the world, and in turn how it affects you.
 
Dedbeet said:
That's a good place to be, I think... belief-less and slightly lost. There's really no need to believe in anything. The most troublesome belief, I think, is the belief that belief is necessary.

"Beginner's mind" is good, being clueless is good. Everyone is clueless, but few will admit it.

Simply being open to what comes, and letting go what goes... in a universe of ceaseless change, it can't get any better than that, IME.

P.S. and that's essentially what Buddhism will tell ya ;).
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Why do you find it troublesome to believe in a higher being? Whether you wanna believe in something greater than you is something you have control over. Its not a choice but a privelage to some people to believe in a higher power.

People can maintain stability & a healthy life stytle contributing it all to a higher power instead of a drug. Whether you wanna believe being belief-less is a good place to be, others may not.
 
I also *believe*, that no beliefs are necessary. Any belief is basically just a 'made up' description of the reality, not the reality itself. To truly see everything as it is, one needs no beliefs. While all kinds of different intellectual understandings can guide us on our way, all those have to be dropped in the end to really see clearly.

For example when you look at a beautiful sunset you can only see the beauty of it as long as you start thinking 'this is beautiful'. Then it becomes just another thought.

Buddhism is the teaching that has helped me the most. But I have never seen it as something I to believe in.

To quote Buddha:

"Don't blindly believe what I say. Don't believe me because others convince you of my words. Don't believe anything you see, read, or hear from others, whether of authority, religious teachers or texts. Don't rely on logic alone, nor speculation. Don't infer or be deceived by appearances."

"Do not give up your authority and follow blindly the will of others. This way will lead to only delusion."

"Find out for yourself what is truth, what is real. Discover that there are virtuous things and there are non-virtuous things. Once you have discovered for yourself give up the unwholesome and embrace the wholesome."
 
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CoffeeDrinker said:
Actually my beliefs on the matter are that we are all bozos on this bus, coming up with dumb ideas or good ideas, it doesn't really matter. no one really knows why we're here or what we're supposed to be aiming for.
Science is only able to answer hypotheses that are falsifiable, and there are lots of other types of questions than those.
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I had the thought of why we are here & what our purpose is here on earth & the only thing I could come up with is we should treat each other like we wanna be treated & just do be good to each other. I cant think of anything else while we try to find our way threw life.
 
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Why do you find it troublesome to believe in a higher being?
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Belief automatically entails doubt. It's an unstable state that always needs active strengthening and fortifying, and that takes a huge amount of energy.

IMO, the belief in a power greater than oneself automatically implies a self, an ego, separate from that power. That is the purpose of such a belief, to strengthen the ego. Surrendering self is getting done both with powers 'out there', and the supposed power 'in here'.
 
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Dedbeet said:
Belief automatically entails doubt. It's an unstable state that always needs active strengthening and fortifying, and that takes a huge amount of energy.

IMO, the belief in a power greater than oneself automatically implies a self, an ego, separate from that power. That is the purpose of such a belief, to strengthen the ego. Surrendering self is getting done both with powers 'out there', and the supposed power 'in here'.
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(off the topic a bit) Doesnt the belief that your relationship with your wife/gf bring doubt sometimes & that doubt in itself has you working over time using energy you normally wouldnt to keep the faith that the relationship hopefully will continue on the same path of strength.

Also, we as humans sometimes like to think we are "the" higher power because we can & have done so much on this planet but the thing is mother nature tends to show us just how weak we really are, example: the tsunami & earthquake in Japan.
 
I find it interesting that even atheists call out God when they are being murdered or on their death bed about to die.
 
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(off the topic a bit) Doesnt the belief that your relationship with your wife/gf bring doubt sometimes & that doubt in itself has you working over time using energy you normally wouldnt to keep the faith that the relationship hopefully will continue on the same path of strength.
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Sure -- it's the same thing. And it's obvious, as least to me, that such a belief isn't necessary. What we call relationship is just people talking to each other and interacting -- there aren't any actual ties, except in the mind. You don't need to be bound to someone emotionally to enjoy their companionship. Of course if you are, you can't help it, I realize that. But quite honestly, I think dependency and emotional attachment degrades human relationship, not enhances it.
 
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Dedbeet, do you ever feel the "empty" feeling inside? People tend to fill that empty void with God while others fill it with drugs, sex or what ever else. We as humans have free will to choose whether we want to believe in a higher power. I have a friend that did some kind of mathematically equation that had A: believe in God, B: dont believe in God & he answered the equation with A, believe in God because if there is a heaven & hell, what do you have to lose if you were in the A group, compared to the B group.

It was interesting how he put it but made sense but I believe its a bit more complicated than that.
 
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Dedbeet, do you ever feel the "empty" feeling inside?
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No -- no longer. Fulfilled. I'm not searching for anything other than whatever is the case at any given moment. Except perhaps for fun, entertainment, enjoyment, a way to pass the time, whatever you wanna call it.
 
rangrz said:
that when you no longer feel pain, cold, heat, fear or doubt, when you truly dont give a fuck, you're on the track to happy times.
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As long as you don't feel all of 'em at the same time, you're probably OK ;).
 
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I find it interesting that even atheists call out God when they are being murdered or on their death bed about to die.
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Why must you repeat this untruth? It's a tired, unfounded claim, and provably wrong like the "no atheists in foxholes" assertion.
 
Taylor Gang or Die. Haha I'm just kidding but on a serious note I believe in God. Well basically I was raised that there is God ect. I believe there must be a God because of all the crazy things you can't explain that has happened. I have talked to ghosts (not going to get into it). So if that can happen then there must be a higher power. Also if you can believe someone is there helping you through life then why not? Because so what if you die and he doesn't exist? It won't change much.
 
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