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You vs LSD, the ultimate prizefight

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Barney Gumnut

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Hey'all.
Seems to me that the old acid seems to be declining in popularity. Lots of folks i know are moving away from it or outright refuse to touch it, saying that it fucks with them too much. I like it but on occasions it has completely screwed me over like nothing else. At other times it's given me some of the greatest experiences I've ever had.
I'll cut the crap...I reckon acid needs an analogy. I like the idea of you and the acid fighting it out, one on one. If you win, you get the glory, if you lose, well, fuck it, ride it out.
Using this method I haven't had a bad trip in yonks.
I'd be keen to know if anyone else out there has got there own methods or thoughts on LSD???
Lots of love
Barney
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Acid is more like a schizo friend: calling you names one minute and your best friend the next...
Now mushrooms on the other hand.. this is the only drug that has ever picked up an iron bar and just started laying into me for two hours non-stop... I guess it just got tired after that and left me for dead: because after the physical/mental/spiritual trauma that it put me through, I had THE greatest trip of my life.
Anyway.. yeah.. I see your point about the prize fighting bit.. Although at high doses I would imagine that it could get a bit easy to get down if your losing the fight..
 
Not a bad analogy that one... But I don't think it's a fight, unless you're trying to go against the acid. I think of it more like a journey on a plane (or likewise). You buy your ticket, you know it's going to be one hell of a ride but you don't know how the journey is really going to go: You may experience some bad weather, you may experience some turbulance, don't fight it, just go with it and see what comes cos it's an experience!
I am a bit biased though cos I love acid. It farks with you both mentally and physically but I like the journey, the visuals, the sounds and how they change, the colours. But my gf isn't a real fan of acid. Horses for courses!
At least there's been some good acid around though (Barts, Hoffy's and GetAFixes to name 3).
 
Ever since I could begin to integrate Tryptamine experiences I have not had one bad trip. Still integrating my last one, so no more acid till it all comes together. The best time I have on acid is when I say to myself "TRUST YOURSELF" and "JUST LET GO OF THE EGO". A few old words from the veterans such as Leary have always been there for me.
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barney: i disagree entirely. If you fight it, you more than not lose, then it becomes supa-nasty-kala-frista-tripout-rama-rocha!
I prefer to let it ride over me, see where it takes me. The acid decides whats in store for the night, and I havnt had a dodgy experience yet from using that mind set.
I love acid, more than pills, more than any other drug, but godamn its hard work. I hope acid like those getafixes come out again. They were the absolute pinacle of any acid ive ever eaten
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I felt the same up until I lost the plot a little time ago (2 weeks ago I think, my sense of time was never that good, and now it's even worse...)
Had some acid at Earthcore, flowed with it and had a great time...
Had some acid in a park after Utopia, flowed with it and had a great time... Then got home, confident that I'd passed the point where things could go wrong, at no point then did I start to feel like I was losing control, had no fear that anything bad could happen... Then all of a sudden the part of my brain that was me was shoved into a little corner, and I could do nothing but watch and the part of my brain that is my dreams took over, trying to operate in the realm we call reality through the haze of acid... It wasn't pretty... Some of it I can't remember, most of it I'm trying to forget...
So now I know that I can't deal with acid after a certain point, there is no hope for me, so this is my analogy for dealing with acid...
You can have fun playing in the water, but if you can't swim, stay out of the deep end...
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"acid is not for every brain - only the healthy, happy, wholesome, handsome, hopeful, humerous, high-velocity should seek these expereinces. this elitism is tottaly self determined. unless you are self-confident, self-directed, self-selected, please abstain" Dr Timothy Leary himself.
Acid can play round with ur head -or- u can play round with acid.
I agree with Tars, everyone has a limit, so if u go overboard and take too much acid in a small amount of time, u really don't have a choice but to do wut it wants u to do!
cheerZ.
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yea i agree with horse to an extent, however i can also understand where barney gumnut is coming from. i think you want to be more in control when you take acid the first few times, then as you get more used to its effects, you learn to let go and see what happens from there. i used to want to be in control, but the last couple of trips i have loved letting go, its a whole new experience. the power of the mind
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I totally agree with Shadow. Acid can play with your head or u can play with it. Once u learn how to control it and play with it ... it becomes really fun and challenging as well.
But like wat Tars said, knowing the limit is really important as well.
Not everyone can handle acid .... and if someone that has done acid before tells you or advice you against starting on acid, then I think you should listen.
I think everyone that has taken acid at some point of time in their lives would agree with me that U never see things the same way again.
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LSD is too much work for me. If i do it, it'll be in a solo or small group trip-work nature experience. Something where i have the space to let my ego die, be destroyed, and arise from the ashes reborn and new.
Definitely not in a social context, and not as a party drug.
I have had my heyday with acid. I have achieved ego death over a dozen times, i have been reborn as many, i have cleared my perceptual windows and seen things in a new context on countless occasions, enough to do it constantly without the chemical. I feel my internal helical energy, and can connect tangential concepts in a fuzzy goo. I have learned the lessons and have been moving on for some time. Acid taught me a lot of lessons and i am grateful, no pun intented.
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Never really liked the body funk of acid, and the feeling you get where every stimulus is irritating and there is sometimes an inescapable feeling of incontrovertible WRONG that you just can't shake. Sometimes it's the acid, sometimes it's you, sometimes it's your surroundings, and the people that inhabit it.
Personally i prefer 2C-B, mushrooms, ketamine, nitrous, and MDMA for tripping. They are way more user-friendly and give you the businessman's trip of being way shorter. I don't need 12-16 hours to realize basic cosmic and personal truths, do i? I'm pretty advanced, i think i could get the point in 4-6 hours.
Or at least it would be a good thing to be able to transition the trip, especially in a social situation. Achieve ego loss before getting there or before people get there, establish a new emotional foundation at the start, and feed it new creative energy through the night, then add more social and sensual energy as it goes on, then come down afterwards.
12-16 hours of a monolithic acid experience is a little too much of a good thing, and of the last dozen acid trips i've witnessed, most of them have been uncomfortable and hardly what i consider the ultimate potential of LSD in the human brain. Far from it.
There's been only one person recently who i actually complimented on 'using' his acid well. I'll imitate him in person if you see me.
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I highly recommend 2C-B. I gave up acid when i found it. So much more user friendly, so much shorter, very good synergy with e, great for sex, very flexible high, great CEV + OEV without the major ego drama, little to no body load, very entertaining party drug.
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wat can i say bout this powerful drug. lets just say he used 2 b a friend of mine, until we got in a fight and he beat the crap out me, and i got a little scared and weary of him. but i think ill b visiting him again this australia day.
the first 10 or so times on acid was great, i really enjoyed myself, found things out bout myself and my friends that i never knew, and it was just an all round great experience. id found a new friend to join our group.
but i think i spent to much time with my new friend, and after awhile i think he got sick of me (or i got sick of him), so he decided that he would pick on me, and make my life living hell everytime i was with him.
so its been bout 4 or 5 months now since ive seen him, and im now ready to hang out again with him once more.
should b a great experience, im really lookin forward 2 it.
"take care not to make me enter, if i do we both may dissappear"
 
Too many people appear to be having bad trips. I suggest the main reason for this is too higher doses for the situation i.e. hitting level 4 instead of Level 2.
Check out the "Psychedelic Experience" at the shroomery: http://www.shroomery.org/triptoysandsuggestions.php?doc=3
I suggest talking about trip levels as well as numbers consumed i.e. I had 3 dreamtimes and I hit level 4. I didn't just talk to god, I was god.
Some notes from the "Psychedelic Experience" on the 'psychedelic level' of a trip.
Level 1: This level produces a mild 'stoning' effect, with some visual enhancement (ie. brighter colours etc). Lots of giggling and laughing.
Level 2: Bright colours, and visuals (ie. things start to move and breath) some two dimensional patterns become apparent upon shutting eyes. Confused or reminiscent thoughts.
Level 3: Very obvious visuals, everything looking curved and/or warped patterns and kaleidoscopes seen on walls, faces etc. Some mild hallucinations such as rivers flowing in wood grained or 'mother of pearl' surfaces. Closed eye hallucinations become three dimensional. Time distortions and 'moments of eternity`. Movement at times becomes extremely difficult (too much effort required).
Level 4: Strong hallucinations, ie objects morphing into other objects. Destruction or multiple splitting of the ego. (Things start talking to you, or you find that you are feeling contradictory things simultaneously) Some loss of reality. Time becomes meaningless. Out of body experiences and ESP type phenomena. Blending of the senses.
Level 5: Total loss of visual connection with reality. The senses cease to function in the normal way. Total loss of ego. Merging with space, other objects or the universe. The loss of reality becomes so severe that it defies explanation. At this level the actual universe, within which things are normally perceived, ceases to exist! Satori enlightenment."
And, remember, Don't Panic.
 
I would actually disagree with "Satori Enlighnment" as being part of the higher level LSD effects, as the texts I have read have pointed to such states as life altering in the most benevolent way.
Enlightnemnt seems to be the most intangible of concepts I guess, has anyone experienced it?
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Well I definately reached level 4 each time my trip turned bad, and yeah, I didn't really want anymore than level 2, maybe level 3... However the last few times I took what I considered a small dose... I guess I've learnt that for me and small dose for someone else is too much for me...
 
Hey'all
Some excellent philsophies. I still like the fight, but I guess I meant it was more of a friendly wrestle like you'd have with that mate of yours who looks like a teddy bear. You have to be friends or the trip'll tear you apart. With the levels, level 3 is my norm.
Trip on little nutters!!!!!
Love
Barney
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Good call Leprechaun.
Again, from the The Psychedelic Experience FAQ. "Satori enlightenment, instant Zen, Nirvana etc etc. You may find many of these Eastern terms used in conjunction with psychedelic drugs. In my (humble) opinion, true Zen enlightenment is reached only when the ego has been completely overcome, only when the 'ox' has been tracked, tamed and ridden back to town. This, unfortunately cannot be achieved in the altered reality of the tripping universe. The 'flashes' of Satori which may be experienced by the fortunate whilst tripping, are perceived as momentary periods of absolute peace and calm, periods where for a short time, the ego is so diffused, that the mind is no longer enslaved by many of the passions that normally arise. The entire text of the Psychedelic Levels file, which includes a number of nice examples of the levels, is available on hyperreal."
Tarsarlan, peoples reactions to psychedelics (and most drugs/chemicals) probably follow the normal distribution curve. Some people are very sensitive, some are extremely tolerant and the rest fall somewhere in the middle.
Again, I suggest reading The Psychedelic Experience FAQ at the shoomery, hyperreal, or where ever.
 
The upper plateu of trips is where we all aim is it not?
Bleh cut the philosophical bullshit.. acid is just plain fun.. i guess you can do it too often but being able to control the trip with your mind.. just zoning out.. having amazing thoughts and dancing to drum and bass for 6 hours straight while thinking your hates from hercules is just too good for my liking
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my problem is supply.. everything else i dont have a problem with but where are you people getting this acid these days damnittttttt
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