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Xanax experiment failed hello Temazapam

No mate the rapper ?



This bloke and rappers like him are the reason kids think "popping bars" and "sipping lean" is cool even though they often have no idea what the drugs are meant to do or even what they are. All they know is they're cool because rappers say so.

That is today's youth drug culture... it's a very strange one here in the UK because benzos fell out of favour with the rise of cheap MDMA and ketamine and high purity cocaine combined with the NHS's reluctance to prescribe benzos. In fact the NHS does not prescribe alprazolam at all. They used to prescribe diazepam widely but they cut back on those scripts for a while now so they're mostly a drug for middle aged people. Today's young drug users are mostly about coke and MDMA.

Suddenly all this hype about "Xanny bars" that's been going for a long while now in the US has an effect in the UK as dealers start pressing fake bars. Same with "lean" obvious fakes are being sold by dealers and fuck knows what's actually in it but it's expensive, which I find hilarious because you've been able to buy codeine syrup cheaply OTC here for bloody decades...

Anyway that's the answer to the question why does everyone think Xanax is some kind of super euphoric drug. Cuz of rappers.


If you've ever experienced bad anxiety or had a panic attack, the sheer relief provided by Xanax is very euphoric in itself. I'd say "euphoria" isn't the best word to describe how Xanax in general feels. More like I feel extremely "content". Like I'm at peace with the world and my life and everything is all warm and fuzzy and just...lovely.
 
Yep money will get you anything. Money is the only reason I'm not in the same situation myself. I'm only in my 20's, could easily be me hooked on these bars and whatever. In fact if I'd been born a few years earlier so I was a teen when they started getting cool I'd have probably started buying 'em off the DNM and selling the things knowing me.

It's such a crazy transformation of drug culture in such a short period of time it's unreal. When I was at uni I did any RC benzo going. Everyone just thought I was weird because they were into their uppers and empathogens. If I'd gone just a few years later I'd be on bars and suddenly be the coolest kid in town ?

But I was able to get private healthcare, which costs a fortune over here, so I was able to see a psychiatrist within a week, then see a therapist a week later, and continue having CBT for a year while getting my meds adjusted by the psychiatrist. For most people to get even an initial consultation with a psychiatrist it'd take probably 12 months or so and they'd already be shoved on SSRI's by their GP before they'd even got a diagnosis off a mental health professional. Which as you say is downright dangerous, without a diagnosis you could absolutely be giving an SSRI to someone with bipolar who is now having manic episodes. It's fucking insane. It's very lucky my family was able to get me seen privately else I'd have just offed myself while on the waiting list. Even my dad said straight up: if you had to rely on the NHS you'd be dead. I don't doubt it. I was suicidal and an anxious mess before I got the proper help I needed. Now I'm functional and have been in work for years and have a social life and a girlfriend etc... nice success story but no thanks to the NHS's half-arsed mental health care.

That's when I was finally able to get a legit benzo script as well as Vyvanse for previously untreated ADHD, which it turns out helped my depression significantly too. I admit I still get blister packed Valium and other benzos like Xanax and Ativan now and then for a bit of a treat. In fact the Xanax is the least recreational and I use it almost exclusively for bad anxiety and panic attacks. Bromazepam, a rarer benzo only scripted in a few European countries, is one of my favourites. But I only rarely have access to those beautiful light blue 6mg beauties. I also love temazepam but haven't had it for a while.

Imo the only real "recreational" benzos are those hypnotics and muscle relaxants. Not alprazolam, but rather bromazepam, lorazepam, diazepam, temazepam, and nitrazepam. I consider alprazolam to be right at the bottom for recreation but right near the top for anxiety relief.

Oh and as for blister packs they definitely can be faked and there are some fake blisters here too, but it's comparatively rare vs loose pills. You can basically guarantee a loose pill is fake. Most blisters are legit. If it's a brand I don't recognise I just sent a pill to WEDNIOS, the Welsh government's free drug testing service open to all of the UK, within a few days they tell me what's in it.

As for pain management, get this, because NHS pain clinics are just as under-resourced as their mental health services, they just let GP's script opiates to anyone who goes in complaining of chronic pain. My GP put me on DHC Continus for back pain (which is legit I'm not lying for the drugs, chronic pain runs in my family and half my family has chronic pain of some sort so it's hardly surprising I got it too) just recently without any need for a referral to pain specialists. I guess every cloud has a silver lining eh?

I know multiple people who got oxy off their GP's too but that's much more rare. Usually the maximum strength opiate you'll get from a GP is oral morphine unless you're old and they want to keep you comfortable in your final days. But tbh I prefer morphine to oxy anyway and I find DHC and morphine work better as actual painkillers. Frankly if I keep getting the DHC long-term I'm happy already because it works well for me even though the high dose I need for it to be effective (240mg) does cause more side effects than lower doses of a stronger opiate. So either that or a low dose of oral morphine simply because if I had for example 20-40mg oral morphine that lower dose of a stronger opiate should have less side effects. My GP seems fine giving me opiates as long as they're XR formulation and I understand they're addictive and for prn use only not for daily use.

There has never been any "opiate epidemic" in the UK so as a general rule the doctors here are a lot more relaxed about scripting them. As I said main rule is that if it's a long-term script they will be XR. No IR opiates for long-term use because they're considered more addictive and abusable. They also only allow I think it is a maximum of 60mg morphine per day (or equivalent) to be prescribed by a GP. The guidelines say if the patient needs more they should see a specialist. Which is a pretty low bar for chronic pain, but that's still better than nothing which is what everyone would get if they all had to wait for referrals. This also means a max dose of 30mg oxy if they decide to use that.

In reality though CCG's are operated independently, some are more lax than others and some individual doctors are more lax than others too. So it comes down to the postcode lottery and the doctor lottery (okay that last one I just made up) as to what type of care you get.



Those are just caps, the "jellies" people are on about are these:

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You can see now why people call them "eggs." A lot of them were green too leading to the name... you guessed it... "green eggs." Only in the UK do we name our drugs after Dr Seuss references... ?

I'm very sceptical that they're any different to any other form of temazepam though, except for the obvious nostalgia which is bound to cause placebo. Temazepam is temazepam, if it's legit then the effects are the same whether it's a pill or tablet or "egg."

The actual drug itself I find enjoyable for the genuine euphoria and muscle relaxation. One of few benzos that actually is euphoric at least to me.

Another benzo popular around the same time (80's-90's) in the UK was "Moggies" short for Mogadon, the trade name for nitrazepam. I've had these a few times, they're very different from temazepam, they knock you sideways rather than having you floating in a cloud, but I can definitely see the appeal.

Wow man I would have thought you were older. You definitely have a good knowledge of things and I am grateful that you have the understanding you do! It is also really interesting to hear about how countries are similar yet so different!

We have GP doctors who will prescribe SSRI medications but usually not without consulting a Psychiatrist first. And as for pain meds... whew. Even with a Pain Management doctor it is insanity. We likely have more true chronic pain patients on Suboxone or Methadone than we do true opioid pain medication. The Morphine Equivalent is likely similar to ours which is a 90MME so up to 60MG of Oxycodone. I used to be on 300MG+ and now on 10MG 4x daily. What is truly insane is I have requested the Oxycontin ER formulation and been denied because for some odd reason Oxycontin is on the opioid cri$i$ shit-list alongside Opana.

I could easily abuse the IR formulation but it all comes down to BS here. Nothing makes sense lol. I was shot in the military and nearly severed my spine and am treated as if I have a broken foot! I can only imagine the average person. Thankfully, my Psychiatric needs are being met.

I used to get the gel formulation of Temazepam but I never really noticed a euphoria or high from it. Truthfully all it has done for me is help me sleep. A few weeks back I tried taking my 30MG during the day but soon realized it did not managed my PTSD well so I had to take my Clonazepam shortly after.

I recall being on Ambien and having straight up visuals after about 4 hours of being awake on it. Not sure if Temazepam is similar for some or what. As for potentiation, I never have felt that any Benzos really potentiated my Opioids at all. We are all different and I don't doubt that it is possible but personally I haven't experienced this.

And I am truly happy you are getting proper relief from your pain medication! I am at about 50% with this dose but don't want to seem like I am seeking drugs so I just deal with it. I am hoping all of these regulations end sooner than later so people like us who aren't addicts seeking some sort of high can be properly medicated. Glad to hear you have a functioning life now brother! Getting there myself. Slowly but surely.
 
I hear what you're s
A light benzo dose goes well with stimulants IME (I take 0.5mg Xanax or 1mg Pyrazolam if I feel a little jittery/anxious and it smooths everything out real nice) but you wanna be careful or they'll cancel eachother out (in a way) and you're basically wasting drugs. Tempazepam is more of a hypnotic benzo so not the best thing to take with a stim. You'll probably end up sleepy from the Temazepam but unable to actually sleep because of the Focalin. Awful way to feel.
If you're determined to take both, I'd take just one dose of Temazepam (maybe even only 7.5mg at first) and then take more later if you like it or feel you'd want more.

I hear what your saying but for me personally the only benzo that works that doesn't fuck my shit up in regards to stimulants is diazepam *hands down* there's something about the drug properties especially the muscle relaxation that give me motivation kind of synergistic in a way today I popped 60 Vyvanse and 10mg Adderall booster along with about 60 mg of diazepam throughout the day and I'm cherry.

My only question is whether Klonopin is better then Valium in regards to muscle relaxing properties say 2mg Kpin vs 40mg Diazepam?

Or does carisoprodol blow all benzos out of the water?
 

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For me, Carisoprodol is an evil drug. I had zero positive effects from it and it sent me into extreme rage the likes of which I have never known. I smashed up furniture and stuff. It was terrifying and way out of character.
I've never had Klonopin, but I think Diazepam is meant to have better muscle relaxant properties.
 
For me, Carisoprodol is an evil drug. I had zero positive effects from it and it sent me into extreme rage the likes of which I have never known. I smashed up furniture and stuff. It was terrifying and way out of character.
I've never had Klonopin, but I think Diazepam is meant to have better muscle relaxant properties.

I've been told by a very close friend to stay the hell away from Carisoprodol but I'm seeing my psychiatrist soon and if immorality was a crime he'd be in jail for life and possible get the death penalty. But I'm not complaining. I'm thinking of getting Butabarbital for sleep cause these 30 Temazapams arent working any more have you tried Butabarbital and if so is it any good or something better that doesn't exceed schedule lll ?

For me, Carisoprodol is an evil drug. I had zero positive effects from it and it sent me into extreme rage the likes of which I have never known. I smashed up furniture and stuff. It was terrifying and way out of character.
I've never had Klonopin, but I think Diazepam is meant to have better muscle relaxant properties.
 
I've been told by a very close friend to stay the hell away from Carisoprodol but I'm seeing my psychiatrist soon and if immorality was a crime he'd be in jail for life and possible get the death penalty. But I'm not complaining. I'm thinking of getting Butabarbital for sleep cause these 30 Temazapams arent working any more have you tried Butabarbital and if so is it any good or something better that doesn't exceed schedule lll ?

I haven't had butabarbital but I have had Phenobarbital and I loved it.
 
I've read my thinking about these "jellys


I've read many things about these "jellys" and the only difference is heroin addicts use them to potentiate their smack but otherwise isn't temazapam just temazapam or am I missing something could you be so kind and elaborate?

Different people respond to medication differently. But with recreational benzo use it’s one of the most sought after meds as a 15mg jell capsule will get you pretty high. It’s a very heady sort of spaced out kind of feeling. Hard to describe because some people experience other effects. 30mg (2 “eggs” as they look like tiny little eggs) will get you pretty spun. For me, I can tell my balance is off a bit and my head is in the clouds.

Anything more than that and we’re talking about the best 8-12 hours on sleep you’ve had in a long time.
 
I've been told by a very close friend to stay the hell away from Carisoprodol but I'm seeing my psychiatrist soon and if immorality was a crime he'd be in jail for life and possible get the death penalty. But I'm not complaining. I'm thinking of getting Butabarbital for sleep cause these 30 Temazapams arent working any more have you tried Butabarbital and if so is it any good or something better that doesn't exceed schedule lll ?

Soma’s aren’t that big of a deal. In fact, a 10/325 norco and a soma will get you skyyyyyyyy high.
 
Would you say Phenobarbital is superior to all other benzos or no?

No. Phenol in smaller doses is benzo-like in it’s effects but in large doses it’ll put you to sleep. In fact, a lot of detox/treatment centers use phenobarb to ween people off of benzos.
 
For me, Carisoprodol is an evil drug. I had zero positive effects from it and it sent me into extreme rage the likes of which I have never known. I smashed up furniture and stuff. It was terrifying and way out of character.
I've never had Klonopin, but I think Diazepam is meant to have better muscle relaxant properties.

Jesus. How much did you take?
 
Would you say Phenobarbital is superior to all other benzos or no?

It's a barbiturate not a benzo, btw. It's not superior, no, but it's just as good and I felt I got all the benefits of a benzo without the side-effects and I was much more functional. And didn't feel the need to keep redosing.
 
If you've ever experienced bad anxiety or had a panic attack, the sheer relief provided by Xanax is very euphoric in itself. I'd say "euphoria" isn't the best word to describe how Xanax in general feels. More like I feel extremely "content". Like I'm at peace with the world and my life and everything is all warm and fuzzy and just...lovely.

What you're saying ain't wrong, and to be fair there's underground "sad rappers" or whatever they're called now, the Soundcloud ones, who are rapping about having depression, anxiety, etc and talking about Xanax and other benzos in that context. And true enough if you're about to have a panic attack and you pop a Xan you will indeed feel a rush of relief.



But the mainstream rappers like Future and Waka Flocka just hype it up as if it's a party drug, so that's what these kids are expecting. Because of the way it's talked about they're expecting it to be like MDMA or some shit, when in reality if you don't have anxiety or anything you are just gonna blackout and feel tired as you redose looking for a euphoria that just ain't there.



Using that example to show this is not really a new thing. Xanax in particular has been hyped up for a long while. It's just been growing with new audiences more recently. Xanax is one of the most hyped brands in hip-hop.

Wow man I would have thought you were older. You definitely have a good knowledge of things and I am grateful that you have the understanding you do! It is also really interesting to hear about how countries are similar yet so different!

We have GP doctors who will prescribe SSRI medications but usually not without consulting a Psychiatrist first. And as for pain meds... whew. Even with a Pain Management doctor it is insanity. We likely have more true chronic pain patients on Suboxone or Methadone than we do true opioid pain medication. The Morphine Equivalent is likely similar to ours which is a 90MME so up to 60MG of Oxycodone. I used to be on 300MG+ and now on 10MG 4x daily. What is truly insane is I have requested the Oxycontin ER formulation and been denied because for some odd reason Oxycontin is on the opioid cri$i$ shit-list alongside Opana.

I could easily abuse the IR formulation but it all comes down to BS here. Nothing makes sense lol. I was shot in the military and nearly severed my spine and am treated as if I have a broken foot! I can only imagine the average person. Thankfully, my Psychiatric needs are being met.

I used to get the gel formulation of Temazepam but I never really noticed a euphoria or high from it. Truthfully all it has done for me is help me sleep. A few weeks back I tried taking my 30MG during the day but soon realized it did not managed my PTSD well so I had to take my Clonazepam shortly after.

I recall being on Ambien and having straight up visuals after about 4 hours of being awake on it. Not sure if Temazepam is similar for some or what. As for potentiation, I never have felt that any Benzos really potentiated my Opioids at all. We are all different and I don't doubt that it is possible but personally I haven't experienced this.

And I am truly happy you are getting proper relief from your pain medication! I am at about 50% with this dose but don't want to seem like I am seeking drugs so I just deal with it. I am hoping all of these regulations end sooner than later so people like us who aren't addicts seeking some sort of high can be properly medicated. Glad to hear you have a functioning life now brother! Getting there myself. Slowly but surely.

Thank you man! And it's interesting to hear about your country too, I always assumed because all healthcare is private in the US that it's easy to get most drugs until the "opiate crisis" hit the news. But up until that point unless I'm mistaken it was a piece of piss to get any pharma?

I also get the impression it's much easier to get benzo scripts on your side of the pond. It's almost impossible here. I did it but again that's with an expensive private psychiatrist and frankly blind luck regarding my GP who says yes to most scripts within reason, or at the very least we come to a compromise, as long as we make agreements about frequency of use and so on. I have stims, benzos, and opiates scripted right now for example. But if I ever went nuts trying to get my refills early I'd lose them in the blink of an eye. Luckily I've shown over the course of almost a decade that I don't act like that even with opiates.

That is nuts you got switched from 300mg to 40mg oxycodone! All this because of corporate greed, I take it the doc has no reason to suspect you personally of abusing your meds, the DEA is just breathing down their necks regarding anyone who has an opiate script? That's what I've read as of late.

Over here it's a bit different. Getting the script in the first place is what's difficult. You need above all else for the doc to trust you. But once you are on a particular dose of a particular medication - even if it's, say, 80mg oxy twice a day - you pretty much have that for as long as you want it. Unless the docs have a reason to think you're abusing the medication, you develop some actual health complication that is worsened by being on opiates, or you ask to be taken off it, you can keep getting that script all your bloody life.

Indeed I've had people ask me do I plan to stay on pills all my life? My answer is absolutely yes I do. For as long as they help me I'm staying with my scripts, simple as that. Don't see why I wouldn't if they help me stay functional and live a good life. It's a weird attitude people have towards psychoactive medications imo. No one asks "will you stay on your blood pressure medicine all your life?" I imagine they'd stay on it for as long as they need it. Why would benzos for example be any different?

And chronic pain is a whole other kettle of fish, I genuinely get the impression so many people believe it's made up. It runs in my family and is very real. Wake up many days and can't move my back because it's too stiff, when I finally can it's sore as fuck, I exercise every day but get only temporary relief. I take the opiates (which currently is 2x DHC Continus 120mg) and once they kick in I feel like a human again. Pain is far from eradicated but it's reduced enough that it's perfectly liveable.

For reasons I don't believe I'll ever understand, my mum speaks with pride when she tells me stories like how she had such severe back pain before, she was screaming and couldn't move and had to be put in a wheelchair, but still refused pain relief... seems to think it's heroic or something. To me that's just downright fucking stupid. Someone suffering in agony from a preventable disease and refusing the treatment. Idiocy.

Of course it's also idiocy for the US to make it so difficult for legit pain patients to get their medication just because Purdue had a field day abusing the system with the aid of the FDA.

Finally on the time release issue, I have read this that time release opioids are now becoming stigmatised in the US because of the whole OxyContin scandal. Seems like throwing the baby out with the bathwater. IR opioids are far easier to abuse which is exactly why anyone wanting to get high off OC's crushed that shit up! Over here they only use IR opis for temporary scripts (e.g. post-op pain) or for breakthrough pain in low doses. If the NHS gives anyone a long-term opiate script it will be XR I can pretty much guarantee it. Even though I only have DHC it's still XR. No complaint though as I've said many times on here previously it actually feels stronger than the regular IR DHC to me. Must be a quirk of my metabolism because no other opioid is like that. More side effects off it that I don't get from IR though so still pondering whether or not to ask the doc for that low dose oral morphine XR instead.
 
What you're saying ain't wrong, and to be fair there's underground "sad rappers" or whatever they're called now, the Soundcloud ones, who are rapping about having depression, anxiety, etc and talking about Xanax and other benzos in that context. And true enough if you're about to have a panic attack and you pop a Xan you will indeed feel a rush of relief.



But the mainstream rappers like Future and Waka Flocka just hype it up as if it's a party drug, so that's what these kids are expecting. Because of the way it's talked about they're expecting it to be like MDMA or some shit, when in reality if you don't have anxiety or anything you are just gonna blackout and feel tired as you redose looking for a euphoria that just ain't there.



Using that example to show this is not really a new thing. Xanax in particular has been hyped up for a long while. It's just been growing with new audiences more recently. Xanax is one of the most hyped brands in hip-hop.



Thank you man! And it's interesting to hear about your country too, I always assumed because all healthcare is private in the US that it's easy to get most drugs until the "opiate crisis" hit the news. But up until that point unless I'm mistaken it was a piece of piss to get any pharma?

I also get the impression it's much easier to get benzo scripts on your side of the pond. It's almost impossible here. I did it but again that's with an expensive private psychiatrist and frankly blind luck regarding my GP who says yes to most scripts within reason, or at the very least we come to a compromise, as long as we make agreements about frequency of use and so on. I have stims, benzos, and opiates scripted right now for example. But if I ever went nuts trying to get my refills early I'd lose them in the blink of an eye. Luckily I've shown over the course of almost a decade that I don't act like that even with opiates.

That is nuts you got switched from 300mg to 40mg oxycodone! All this because of corporate greed, I take it the doc has no reason to suspect you personally of abusing your meds, the DEA is just breathing down their necks regarding anyone who has an opiate script? That's what I've read as of late.

Over here it's a bit different. Getting the script in the first place is what's difficult. You need above all else for the doc to trust you. But once you are on a particular dose of a particular medication - even if it's, say, 80mg oxy twice a day - you pretty much have that for as long as you want it. Unless the docs have a reason to think you're abusing the medication, you develop some actual health complication that is worsened by being on opiates, or you ask to be taken off it, you can keep getting that script all your bloody life.

Indeed I've had people ask me do I plan to stay on pills all my life? My answer is absolutely yes I do. For as long as they help me I'm staying with my scripts, simple as that. Don't see why I wouldn't if they help me stay functional and live a good life. It's a weird attitude people have towards psychoactive medications imo. No one asks "will you stay on your blood pressure medicine all your life?" I imagine they'd stay on it for as long as they need it. Why would benzos for example be any different?

And chronic pain is a whole other kettle of fish, I genuinely get the impression so many people believe it's made up. It runs in my family and is very real. Wake up many days and can't move my back because it's too stiff, when I finally can it's sore as fuck, I exercise every day but get only temporary relief. I take the opiates (which currently is 2x DHC Continus 120mg) and once they kick in I feel like a human again. Pain is far from eradicated but it's reduced enough that it's perfectly liveable.

For reasons I don't believe I'll ever understand, my mum speaks with pride when she tells me stories like how she had such severe back pain before, she was screaming and couldn't move and had to be put in a wheelchair, but still refused pain relief... seems to think it's heroic or something. To me that's just downright fucking stupid. Someone suffering in agony from a preventable disease and refusing the treatment. Idiocy.

Of course it's also idiocy for the US to make it so difficult for legit pain patients to get their medication just because Purdue had a field day abusing the system with the aid of the FDA.

Finally on the time release issue, I have read this that time release opioids are now becoming stigmatised in the US because of the whole OxyContin scandal. Seems like throwing the baby out with the bathwater. IR opioids are far easier to abuse which is exactly why anyone wanting to get high off OC's crushed that shit up! Over here they only use IR opis for temporary scripts (e.g. post-op pain) or for breakthrough pain in low doses. If the NHS gives anyone a long-term opiate script it will be XR I can pretty much guarantee it. Even though I only have DHC it's still XR. No complaint though as I've said many times on here previously it actually feels stronger than the regular IR DHC to me. Must be a quirk of my metabolism because no other opioid is like that. More side effects off it that I don't get from IR though so still pondering whether or not to ask the doc for that low dose oral morphine XR instead.


Benzo's are one of the last drugs I'd call a "party drug". Can't say I've ever taken a Xanax bar and been like "LETS PARTAAY ALL NIGHT, BABAY!"
Apart from alcohol or GHB I wouldn't really refer to any sedative as a party drug. Party drugs are usually things like MDMA amphetamine sulphate, RC Stims, etc
 
Exactly. But the way rappers talk about Xanax makes it sound like a party drug. It's fucking stupid is what it is.

I mean a low dose of most benzos can help you socialise, but that's not really enough to declare them "party drugs" I'm sure you can agree.
 
Yeah with a half life of 3 days that doesn't surprise me
It's a barbiturate not a benzo, btw. It's not superior, no, but it's just as good and I felt I got all the benefits of a benzo without the side-effects and I was much more functional. And didn't feel the need to keep redosing.
 

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