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Would you legalise drugs?

^youre implying that i implied that everything becomes safer once made legal. im not researched on the gun topic

however, in the case of drugs, drug use is much safer for the user and society when drug use is legal, yes
 
Of course guns are safer when they're legal. Where guns are illegal, they are traded in a black market, and the only reason for obtaining a gun is to use it for violence. The existence of the black market itself can create more incidents of violence.

Where guns are legal, there are numerous legitimate reasons someone might possess a gun. It might still be for violence, it might be for hunting (also violence), but it could yet be for target practice, collecting, or stockpiled for security/defense (in the event of foreign invasion, revolution, or civil war).

Legal gun ownership also promotes education/training. If guns are illegal, you certainly can't take a gun safety course.
 
Everything is safer when it's legal. No segment of the population who wants to do something is going to let legality stand in the way. You can either work with the segment on harm reduction, or you can drive them underground and build resentment, lose their respect, and create dangerous black markets and lack of educational opportunities.
 
Of course guns are safer when they're legal. Where guns are illegal, they are traded in a black market, and the only reason for obtaining a gun is to use it for violence. The existence of the black market itself can create more incidents of violence.
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Well the black market for guns still exists even though they're legal. It will be the same way for drugs, that's why I don't believe the argument that making drugs legal will do away with crime and black market selling. Like I was saying before, people are going to circumvent the system. Making drugs legal isn't going to solve the problem. It will certainly decriminalize, yes. But to say people will use them more responsibly is a mistake. And as I mentioned before with the China example. China, Like Japan is a very law abiding society relative to the rest of the world. Like the Japanese, people collectively act in the best interest of society YET people still maintain their individuality. I've experienced these cultures and this behavior was the first thing I noticed. Chinese society had a big problem with addiction with opiates despite this type of national discipline and self-control. Can you imagine what letting loose opiates on an American society of "me", "I want this", "fuck you I do what I wanna do regardless of the consequences" would be like?

Of course what's the reply to this? "Oh, you sound like a fascists". Trust me, I want freedom just as much as anyone but American society, along with the vast majority of cultures in this world, has proven they cannot handle the responsibility. Why do you think such drugs are illegal on the first place? You cannot simply assume that the vast majority of Americans behave in the same way many bluelighters do. Many of us are here because we enjoy drugs as responsibly as one can in such a situation while living a normal life. Again I said MANY of us, not ALL of us. Putting strong opiates in the hands of John Q. Public all-of-a-sudden with a quick and accross-the-board legalization bill is a dangerous thing to do.
 
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Well the black market for guns still exists even though they're legal
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the black market exists for guns because guns are illegal for many people (record checks)

i'm certainly not arguing for legalization of drugs for 50% of the population or anything like that

, that's why I don't believe the argument that making drugs legal will do away with crime and black market selling
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if drugs were legal, gangs would simply not be able to compete with real businesses. drugs would be sold from the store. when alcohol was legalized, bootleggers went out of business, and it's the same situation if drugs are legalized
 
Can you imagine what letting loose opiates on an American society of "me", "I want this", "fuck you I do what I wanna do regardless of the consequences" would be like?
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opiates are already present in large numbers in all major segments of society
 
U.s.

In my opinion I feel that in most cases since most typically used recreational drugs in the United States are already Illegal it would be possible to slowly make certain ones legal. Like in mexico users of heroin and marijuana are now allowed to hold certain quantities of those substances. (Along with another I fail to remember). I feel that, like with alcohol, that the more the drug is used the more desensitized we become to it's negative aspects. The more we smoke pot, for instance the more normal it becomes and more easily it becomes to look at the substance with an objective view and more likely we will be able to reap it's benefits and avoid it's negative side-effects. It wouldn't be an over-night process, but I think it will eventually happen.

My top choices are any drugs that we wish to use, it should be the individuals right as long as it does not impede on other person's rights. I think any and all drugs should be legal if used under certain circumstances, like alcohol. People are going to abuse them anyway. Making them legal takes away from that "Rebel" factor that I think a lot of my generation are prone to falling into. People would start taking the drugs for a desired effect recreational or otherwise and stop taking them just because they are drugs. Experimenting is good... but jesus christ there are a lot of fucking idiots out there. A friend of mine swallowed 4 xannies, didn't know what she took then asked me what was going to happen.

If we want drugs to be legalized we have to educate, educate, educate ourselves and the public. There will always be nay-sayers... but fuck them, I'm happily stoned while they are wasting away in their excrement.
 
you can legalize drugs, but you'd have to be strict about it.

nobody can ever be caught in public under the influence of any drug, and there must be a way to determine it.

the only way that you can legalize drugs is to have it only effect the user. if the user leaves its home, it effects other people. this is not appropriate or good for society. the penalty for being caught outside under the influence would be death. if all drugs were legal it wouldn't be safe to let people do them without guidance.

infact i'd go as far as saying that you can do any drug you want as long as you are alone in a room and the door is locked. just list the affect of the drug and its known health issues. let them know what it does and how it feels, then lock them in a room (comfortable, spacious, windows, tv, and computers.)
 
Coolio said:
Everything is safer when it's legal. No segment of the population who wants to do something is going to let legality stand in the way. You can either work with the segment on harm reduction, or you can drive them underground and build resentment, lose their respect, and create dangerous black markets and lack of educational opportunities.
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bingo!
 
doesntmatter said:
you can legalize drugs, but you'd have to be strict about it.

nobody can ever be caught in public under the influence of any drug, and there must be a way to determine it.

the only way that you can legalize drugs is to have it only effect the user. if the user leaves its home, it effects other people. this is not appropriate or good for society. the penalty for being caught outside under the influence would be death. if all drugs were legal it wouldn't be safe to let people do them without guidance.

infact i'd go as far as saying that you can do any drug you want as long as you are alone in a room and the door is locked. just list the affect of the drug and its known health issues. let them know what it does and how it feels, then lock them in a room (comfortable, spacious, windows, tv, and computers.)
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i imagine you'd no longer be able to get drugs legally if you broke those rules

the result of your 'legalization' plan would cause almost every drug user to either be executed or no longer be able to get drugs legally. if the former (are you really serious about that?) we'd probably lose half our workforce. if the latter, the black market remains as strong as ever because so many people wont be able to get their drugs legally, and every single problem related to illegalization of drugs remains

and dont even get me started on the freedom aspect. jesus wtf r u thinking?

and seriously, what would be the harm in smoking a spliff and taking a walk through the park???

>>if the user leaves its home, it effects other people>>

Of all psychoactive substances, alcohol is the only one whose consumption has been shown to commonly increase aggression. source:Psychoactive Substances and Violence by Jeffrey A. Roth, Series: Research in Brief, US Dept. of Justice, Published: February 1994, 19 pages
 
you can legalize drugs, but you'd have to be strict about it.

nobody can ever be caught in public under the influence of any drug, and there must be a way to determine it.

the only way that you can legalize drugs is to have it only effect the user. if the user leaves its home, it effects other people. this is not appropriate or good for society. the penalty for being caught outside under the influence would be death. if all drugs were legal it wouldn't be safe to let people do them without guidance.

infact i'd go as far as saying that you can do any drug you want as long as you are alone in a room and the door is locked. just list the affect of the drug and its known health issues. let them know what it does and how it feels, then lock them in a room (comfortable, spacious, windows, tv, and computers.)
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This is one of the most bizzare and moronic posts Ive read here for a long time. Is this meant to be a joke?
 
^if he is joking, he's making a lot of jokes. (view his other posts)
 
it was satire, but i was bringing up a point to people that think all drugs should be legal.

if you allow people to do drugs in public that could cause them to hurt other people, why wouldn't you allow drunk driving?

people don't smoke a joint then go walk in the park. they go drive somewhere. you can say that under you're own decision making skills, you wouldn't hurt anyone else while using any drug you want. but don't mistake that for saying that people don't make bad decisions.

my point is if you were to legalize drugs, you'd have to let the people that choose to use them know that if under the influence they hurt somebody else, then thats it. there can't just be a slap on the wrist system with this.

say you had a place to go that you could do drugs, or say you would just stay in your home. you could either be alone or socialize, however not in a situation that you could hurt someone who doesn't do drugs.

the reason for my wording earlier was to give a perspective of the other side of the question.

lets legalize all drugs and anyone that chooses not to use them should stay inside and off the streets because a car could come at you at any point.
 
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^>>if you allow people to do drugs in public that could cause them to hurt other people, why wouldn't you allow drunk driving?>>
qwedsa said:
Of all psychoactive substances, alcohol is the only one whose consumption has been shown to commonly increase aggression. source:Psychoactive Substances and Violence by Jeffrey A. Roth, Series: Research in Brief, US Dept. of Justice, Published: February 1994, 19 pages
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>>people don't smoke a joint then go walk in the park. they go drive somewhere>>

to be consistent we should either A. illegalize alcohol (which is the worst when it comes to driving) or B. legalize drugs but keep driving on them illegal

btw cannabis doesnt hinder driving ability. and many people smoke while taking a walk, including at the park...

>>lets legalize all drugs and anyone that chooses not to use them should stay inside and off the streets because a car could come at you at any point>>

1. illegalizing drugs does not stop drugged driving
2. alcohol is legal and is a worse problem in terms of driving than most popular rec. drugs (excepting other gaba agonists)
3. many people are driving while emotionally troubled or fatigued. these cars have just as much chance of 'coming at you at any point.' are we going to illegalize depression and fatigue?
 
doesntmatter said:
people don't smoke a joint then go walk in the park. they go drive somewhere.
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Uh, where did you get this idea? Most people walking around in parks probably smoked a joint first. Stoners love trees and grass and birds and all that.

doesntmatter said:
my point is if you were to legalize drugs, you'd have to let the people that choose to use them know that if under the influence they hurt somebody else, then thats it. there can't just be a slap on the wrist system with this.
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No, you wouldn't. What does being under the influence of drugs have to do with someone's culpability for hurting someone? Do you get in more trouble for hurting someone while drunk than while sober? No. And you shouldn't.

We have laws against violence already. If someone breaks these laws, we can convict them for that, there's no reason to add extra laws against committing crimes while being in certain states of consciousness or holding certain viewpoints. If anything, being under the influence of drugs/alcohol tends to LOWER the culpability of an offender in the eyes of their peers.
 
Coolio said:
Uh, where did you get this idea? Most people walking around in parks probably smoked a joint first. Stoners love trees and grass and birds and all that.



No, you wouldn't. What does being under the influence of drugs have to do with someone's culpability for hurting someone? Do you get in more trouble for hurting someone while drunk than while sober? No. And you shouldn't.

We have laws against violence already. If someone breaks these laws, we can convict them for that, there's no reason to add extra laws against committing crimes while being in certain states of consciousness or holding certain viewpoints. If anything, being under the influence of drugs/alcohol tends to LOWER the culpability of an offender in the eyes of their peers.
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i don't know how you came to that conclusion. I mean while under the influence of drugs you are just as likely to do something that could hurt someone. there is no way around it. i mean if you're going to hurt someone while sober, you could hurt someone under the influence. i get that point. but i don't mean hurting someone on purpose and by accident is different. you can't really think that looking away from the road for a second and hitting a pedestrian is the same as tripping and watching the road the entire time and still hitting the pedestrian.

however you could easily do something sober that could hurt someone. and yes, i smoked daily for many years. you don't just "not drive" because you're stoned. and i've definitely been too stoned to drive. especially when i first started.

i've driven while tripping, drunk, stoned...etc i know that its not fair to do that, and neither is driving while extremely tired, or putting on makeup, eating, talking on the cell...etc

being under the influence doesn't necessarily mean you're going to hurt someone.

you all are missing my point. why let people do something that could easily cause someone else to die?

say you are driving but looking out the side window the entire time. should that be legal?

you can't be serious in saying that people that use drugs don't drive.

driving isn't the only point though. saying that you can do drugs in public is like saying that you can curse at someone randomly, or trip a random person. you can't just do what you want whenever you want.

...well i guess you could.
 
qwedsa said:
^>>if you allow people to do drugs in public that could cause them to hurt other people, why wouldn't you allow drunk driving?>>

>>people don't smoke a joint then go walk in the park. they go drive somewhere>>

to be consistent we should either A. illegalize alcohol (which is the worst when it comes to driving) or B. legalize drugs but keep driving on them illegal

btw cannabis doesnt hinder driving ability. and many people smoke while taking a walk, including at the park...

>>lets legalize all drugs and anyone that chooses not to use them should stay inside and off the streets because a car could come at you at any point>>

1. illegalizing drugs does not stop drugged driving
2. alcohol is legal and is a worse problem in terms of driving than most popular rec. drugs (excepting other gaba agonists)
3. many people are driving while emotionally troubled or fatigued. these cars have just as much chance of 'coming at you at any point.' are we going to illegalize depression and fatigue?
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driving under the influence of anything should be punished much more harshly. it makes no sense to put someone on probation and fine them. thats irresponsible.

you don't take a pill to become depressed or fatigued alone. you didn't choose to be in either state. are you saying you should drive in either state? i mean you could say that a serial killer is innocent because he wasn't under the influence of drugs.

and on your first point, most drugs are illegal. i'm talking about the legalizing of all drugs. neither of which will stop people from driving under the influence. i'm saying to legalize drugs but punish people more severely that use them irresponsibly.
 
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