Would it be feasible to legalise snorting cocaine only?

[LucidSDreamr]

Yea that's different.

I'm a solution orientated person, I like to try and solve things.

The legal stance sucks

It does raise another interesting question. Drug policy I don’t think should be a one size fits all thing.

People are so vastly different in their psyche, addiction or lack therof, reasons for using drugs (medical vs recreational)…to have one blanket rule when it comes to any drug is going to hurt some ppl and protect other ppl.

Thats where approaching drug use from a healthcare perspective rather than a punishment/enforcement perspective would really help society grapple with this issue of drug legality across all drugs and across all people. Even if the drug is not being used for a medical reason and just for recreation; that would fall under the umbrella of mental health. Penal systems aren’t equipped for all this nuance amongst ppl and drugs.

 

[kreativsniks]

AFAIK, when USA legalized marijuana initially it looked very promising - huge tax revenues, dispensaries were popping up left and right and Mexican weed farmers were almost out of business.

Then Cartels shopped proper seeds and planted them in Mexico and started growing the good stuff. Since then, legal weed industry has been on a decline, since Cartels don't have to pay taxes and other, legal expenses to operate; they already had a system in place just needed proper quality product to stay competitive and that's exactly what they did.

I don't think by legalizing Coke the government would outcompete Cartels and their stuff; most likely black market prices would go down and quality would go up (similar story to Cartel 'super labs' which produce high quality meth).

A good start would be more investment into available healthcare for addicts who need it, mental health specialists, personal finance specialists, perhaps a way to change ones environment to stay of stuff. There are countries which have done this, albeit not with Coke, but with Heroin (Norway, Finland, perhaps Portugal too).

Drugs are plenty available, but support ain't, at least for a big majority of people especially if they struggle with money.

 

[new2drugs]

AFAIK, when USA legalized marijuana initially it looked very promising - huge tax revenues, dispensaries were popping up left and right and Mexican weed farmers were almost out of business.

Then Cartels shopped proper seeds and planted them in Mexico and started growing the good stuff. Since then, legal weed industry has been on a decline, since Cartels don't have to pay taxes and other, legal expenses to operate; they already had a system in place just needed proper quality product to stay competitive and that's exactly what they did.

I don't think by legalizing Coke the government would outcompete Cartels and their stuff; most likely black market prices would go down and quality would go up (similar story to Cartel 'super labs' which produce high quality meth).

A good start would be more investment into available healthcare for addicts who need it, mental health specialists, personal finance specialists, perhaps a way to change ones environment to stay of stuff. There are countries which have done this, albeit not with Coke, but with Heroin (Norway, Finland, perhaps Portugal too).

Drugs are plenty available, but support ain't, at least for a big majority of people especially if they struggle with money.

At least quality would go up ...what you said

 

[smokeymcpot42088]

I’m for legalizing all drugs because it would be unfair for me to say “my drug should be legal but yours should remain illegal” (the way ppl that only drink do with alcohol).

But if I were to bend on that position of total freedom of personal choice. Cocaine would be illegal. It doesn’t have any medical value to speak of these days and is one of the most compulsive and drugs that is least functional to be on. For pure recreational purposes there are more practical stimulants like mdma or 4FA. Meth and various amphetamines I would feel more comfortable with being legal. You hear a lot of ex crack heads say the only thing that got them to quit crack was meth.

My big idea is legalize and regulate them all; with the small caveat you are only allowed a certain amount of xyz a month or every few like pseudophed.... Not enough to really stop anyone but enough to have to ask someone else thereby stigmatizing yourself as an over-user.

Maybe anything that is straight plant, pot, kratom, poppy pods, cocoa leaves etc etc; could be damn near unlimited as it would be as embarassing to get caught with that crap if the finished product was just down the street as asking someone.

That way the burden is more on you to not let people manipulate you to over indulge; I would put that on the buyer not the user, maybe like a small misdemeanor for enabling? and the stigma can go to the greedy

Alright Startttinnggg NOW!

 

[smokeymcpot42088]

AFAIK, when USA legalized marijuana initially it looked very promising - huge tax revenues, dispensaries were popping up left and right and Mexican weed farmers were almost out of business.

Then Cartels shopped proper seeds and planted them in Mexico and started growing the good stuff. Since then, legal weed industry has been on a decline, since Cartels don't have to pay taxes and other, legal expenses to operate; they already had a system in place just needed proper quality product to stay competitive and that's exactly what they did.

I don't think by legalizing Coke the government would outcompete Cartels and their stuff; most likely black market prices would go down and quality would go up (similar story to Cartel 'super labs' which produce high quality meth).

A good start would be more investment into available healthcare for addicts who need it, mental health specialists, personal finance specialists, perhaps a way to change ones environment to stay of stuff. There are countries which have done this, albeit not with Coke, but with Heroin (Norway, Finland, perhaps Portugal too).

Drugs are plenty available, but support ain't, at least for a big majority of people especially if they struggle with money.

Very interesting counterpoint. Here are the reasons I disagree strongly...

I can tell you as an end user of marijuana the price is 1/3 what it use to be (at the 1 oz level) and the quality is easily doubled. I seem to be paying alot of taxes on it so I would think they are doing alright...On the otherhand all of my friends that have been growing pot for decades cant seem to bring anything to the table that can compete; and they like to pretend the old pricescale is still the yardstick...

Do you have any stats to show that mexico has gained traction and the legal weed industry is on the decline?

If the gov was making legalized and regulated cocaine the purity would be %100 percent and come in liquid. I.E. 1g cocaine hcl. 50 mg per ml (or whatever). Or whatever purity it stays a powder at and doesn't suck all the moisture out.... The only way they could compete would be 100 percent pure coke at a lower price. (which they could probably manage, id still pay the extra 10 bucks or w/e to know it went through a testing facility at some point) and has no risk of unhealthy cuts.

"Drugs are plenty available" No they aren't. Not in a safe way at least! The obvious example is that you can't find heroin that isn't cut with fent and or xylazine; that is no longer heroin. The second you cut a drug with an active ingredient it ceases to be that drug, or just that drug (obviously) and almost all the heroin and cocaine contains active cuts. I dont know about meth but would presume it to be the same deal.

If drugs were plenty available there would still be opium being made etc etc.... You would have all the information and tools at your disposal at least, if you use the table saw to slice your throat; well, I won't blame the saw.

Any time an active cut hits a drug it ceases to be just that drug, and

 

[new2drugs]

Aye, and cocaine sold for snorting can be put directly in a spoon with water. If it was like your e-bar idea and you sold it by the line they had to do at the bar; than IV and crack get much harder.

Thankgod by the time I got to trying a needle good coke was gone. (for me/my area/my plug/ etc) and it drew up looking like milk and im not super smart but I wasn't going to do that. And than the amount or residue left from others shots. egh.

You have nailed the idea. You must consume it at the bar/ desk area at the front of the queue while staff watch you, and then you can return to your seat or dance floor. No needles or baking soda allowed in the club ( no alcohol sold either) and your not allowed to pocket the coke.

That model would almost completely stop anyone wanting to take any meaningful quantity home with them as it's really difficult to buy and not use straight away. Funny looks and staff saying " please consume now sir or we have the power to take it back off you".

Everyone would know the procedure anyway.

 

[smokeymcpot42088]

I can't say I haven't known dealers/traphouses small enough that the policy was 'use it before you leave' for obvious reasons I suppose.

I just stole the old amsterdamn coffee shop model and inserted cocaine. Ill take the credit though haha.

 

[foodcrisis]

they could make like a bar or something where people had to snort the coke in front of a medical professional and not be allowed to take it home or something...

i'm not really seeing the difference for anybody other than the user will probably stay a little healthier. why anybody would care if some one was shooting up coke or snorting.. i don't really see controlling what other people do with their body.. i guess if coke were legally sold through the government it would be pretty pure and people wouldn't be snorting so much that they got bloody noses or anything... would setting a limit to how much coke a person could buy also be a good thing? idk. other than keeping it away from kids, i don't really see a reason to limit a person's drug purchasing.

with the direction of this thread, i kind of see it like why no limit the amount of alcohol or weed people can purchase cause it's safer for the average person. or like only selling thc edibles cause of second hand smoke. or like cancelling hard alcohol cause beer and wine is safer.. idk.

 

[new2drugs]

I can't say I haven't known dealers/traphouses small enough that the policy was 'use it before you leave' for obvious reasons I suppose.

I just stole the old amsterdamn coffee shop model and inserted cocaine. Ill take the credit though haha.

Imagine a queue in a club to a bar. At the front you say " small medium or large please."

.They scan your hand stamp so they know how long it's been since you were last at the front of any queue. Beeeeeppp it's fine it's been long enough or it's your first time of the night.

.Stamp is updated with current time and whether you bought small medium or large.

.You pay, then they chop it Infront of you

.You snort it with your own clean straw or tube etc.

.Next person up.


No pocketing it, no changing into another form, no nothing.
Snort it there on the table provided.

Security is nearby and the barman is there measuring the lines.

Enjoy your night till you wanna join the back of the queue again.

 

[smokeymcpot42088]

^ Works for me. I don't see the NEED for the bar but it would help the fiends.

DMT Mushrooms weed legalized in certain states, ketamine therapy, mdma therapy... They have lost the war on drugs and are now losing the delusion they ever stood a chance; and perhaps realizing that alcohol isn't the only taxable intoxicant worth considering.

Maybe they are even considering alcohol is pretty harmful to society compared to the other choices, but that is just optimistic. Some countries have legalized small amounts of everything but there is no regulation still; or like legit way to buy them (correct me if im wrong)

 

[smokeymcpot42088]

they could make like a bar or something where people had to snort the coke in front of a medical professional and not be allowed to take it home or something...

i'm not really seeing the difference for anybody other than the user will probably stay a little healthier. why anybody would care if some one was shooting up coke or snorting.. i don't really see controlling what other people do with their body.. i guess if coke were legally sold through the government it would be pretty pure and people wouldn't be snorting so much that they got bloody noses or anything... would setting a limit to how much coke a person could buy also be a good thing? idk. other than keeping it away from kids, i don't really see a reason to limit a person's drug purchasing.

with the direction of this thread, i kind of see it like why no limit the amount of alcohol or weed people can purchase cause it's safer for the average person. or like only selling thc edibles cause of second hand smoke. or like cancelling hard alcohol cause beer and wine is safer.. idk.

"Limit" is an awful hardline word for what I am suggesting. You would just have to ask a friend that doesn't use (their full ration at least) that drug to smurf you some back out of the store.....I think that would be an embarassing thing to ask and kind of discourage overuse that way.

I also say probably let anything in its plant form fly limitless, weed, cocoa leaves, poppy pods, mushrooms etc; as I expect they would be seen as kind of garbage and stigmatized as a 'last resort' for those that max out there rations.

Some kind of slap on the wrist if you get caught smurfing from people, a year of no rations for you? Idk im just makin shit up as I go.... add to the model and pretend it might happen as pipe dreams are fun.

and of course scripts are yours and don't count towards your ration, that is the NEEDED amount not the DESIRED amount lol.