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Benzos Worried About My Mom Withdrawal From Benzos.. Can I Help?

Yeah I'm on Suboxone too... it works wonders for a while, but the cravings do come back full force eventually. I don't blame you for slipping up. I would too if I had the chance, not gonna lie. And I'm definitely not looking forward to getting off of my own scripts of Subs and Xanax, that's for sure... but luckily I'm working with an addiction specialist and he's great. That's why I suggested trying to find her one. :)

But anyway... there really is no warning when it comes to seizures. They're caused by electric impulses in the brain and they sort of just... happen. Randomly. Ask her how she's feeling and tell her to be completely honest and not downplay OR exaggerate anything. If she says she feels like complete crap and says she feels like crows and pidgeons are coming to eat her soul (true story I've heard from people going through benzo w/d's), then you know it's pretty bad. But regardless of whether it's that bad or not, she's still at risk for a seizure. It has something to do with the way benzos rewire your CNS after long-term use... and then stopping it suddenly just kind of sends your brain into a psycho frenzy.
 
Seizures aren't the only thing to worry about. Benzo withdrawal can really mess up a person's mind just from the sheer hell of it. I know lots of people that have been scarred by a bad benzo withdrawal. I'm sure lots of people have mental breakdowns or kill themselves during it as well, it's really that bad.

I say get her at least a few mg to get her through the next week. 7mg for 7 days at least would be ideal, but even 4-5mg would be helpful, or another benzo to substitute.

Suboxone isn't going to be too helpful IMO, unless if combined with a small amount of benzo, in which case it would be extremely helpful. A smaller dose of benzo will be stronger when combined with bupe.
 
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Pegasus, one thought popped into my mind as I was reading your post: fuck benzos.

I wish I could find that video I watched a while back... I THINK I might have found it on this site actually, but I'm not sure. It was like a 20 minute video of this dude describing the hell he went through during benzo w/d, how he went to the ER like a million times and people just kept writing him off as a druggie or saying that benzo w/d's "didn't exist"... and this is coming from hospital staff. :|
But I think he was saying that it had been 6 months or so and his brain STILL wasn't completely back to normal... he was still having all of these crazy delusions and paranoid thoughts every once in a while and he said his anxiety was worse than it was before he even went on the xanax.

Fuck benzos, indeed.
 
Benzos are definitely only a treatment for people who already know that it isn't a cure. No mental progress gets made while you're on benzos toward solving the underlying problem. I wouldn't know how to solve the underlying problem; I've always been a benzo addict since a teenager 10 years ago. But I do know that taking them means permanent bad news.
 
Pegasus, one thought popped into my mind as I was reading your post: fuck benzos.

I wish I could find that video I watched a while back... I THINK I might have found it on this site actually, but I'm not sure. It was like a 20 minute video of this dude describing the hell he went through during benzo w/d, how he went to the ER like a million times and people just kept writing him off as a druggie or saying that benzo w/d's "didn't exist"... and this is coming from hospital staff. :|
But I think he was saying that it had been 6 months or so and his brain STILL wasn't completely back to normal... he was still having all of these crazy delusions and paranoid thoughts every once in a while and he said his anxiety was worse than it was before he even went on the xanax.

Fuck benzos, indeed.

Yeah it's scary that things like this can even happen. I have a friend with Asperger's who was ripped off 2mg alprazolam / day IIRC. No one would listen to him about the hell he was going through because they just attributed the behavior to Asperger's. It makes me sick just thinking about what that must have been like. It definitely scarred him.
 
Benzos are definitely only a treatment for people who already know that it isn't a cure. No mental progress gets made while you're on benzos toward solving the underlying problem. I wouldn't know how to solve the underlying problem; I've always been a benzo addict since a teenager 10 years ago. But I do know that taking them means permanent bad news.

I honestly believed it WAS a cure, actually lol. This is due to the fact that I was prescribed them for a few months when I was a teenager. I had begun to have the worst anxiety in the world; when I got off the xanax, I literally had no withdrawals and my anxiety was gone; it didn't come back until recently (that would be about 7 years later!) So from that point until about two months into my current xanax prescription, I genuinely believed Xanax was a cure-all for anxiety. But of course, now I'm old enough to realize that I should do my research about the things I'm taking, so now I know it wasn't the Xanax at all. In reality, the thing that actually "cured" my anxiety was two things: quitting meth, and finally getting out of a very toxic, emotionally and mentally abusive relationship I was in at the time, as well as discontinuing associating with certain people. I don't know what's up with the whole not having withdrawals thing though.

As for knowing how to solve the underlying problem, that's easy. You just have to pay very close attention to what your triggers are and figure out what it is that's causing your anxiety. At that point, you can either try to solve it yourself (if it's something that's easily fixable)... or you can solve it through counseling (if it's due to PTSD or some sort of traumatic event you haven't yet worked through.) You're right about one thing though, taking them does mean bad news... not sure about it being permanent, but then again, I haven't been on them for ten years and I don't plan to. I'm actually in the process of tapering off right now with the help of an amazing addiction specialist.

Speaking of, have you looked into seeing one of those? Not trying to force anything on you here, but it seems like you're not exactly happy about the fact that you have anxiety and have to take benzos for it, and it sounds to me like you WANT to fix it, you just don't know how. An addiction specialist can definitely help you with that. If they're a good one, they'll help you decide what the best way to taper off is, the best medication(s) to take to help and which ones to start taking instead while you work through the underlying causes, as well as setting you up with all types of counseling programs, support groups, hotlines, etc. that specialize in whatever your addiction is. For instance, mine has been reducing my dose by half a pill a month... a VERY slow taper, which is the best way to go when it comes to benzos if you don't want to go through hell and have to worry about seizures and all that other mess. He also set me up with a variety of programs to choose from that specialize in opiate and benzo addiction/dependence, as well as a good counselor. But he took his job one step further - he didn't forget about the fact that I still have anxiety, so instead of just helping me taper off the benzos and leaving it at that, he helped me find the best medication to replace the Xanax. He put me on Vistaril, which is a non-addictive, non-benzodiazepine anxiolytic that works wonders. That way, I don't have to keep taking more Xanax to get rid of my anxiety, and it will also buy me some time just in case I still haven't completely worked through my anxiety once I'm off the benzos for good. It's like the Suboxone of benzos, lol.

I'm not trying to preach here at all or tell you how to run your life, but like I said... it sounds like you want to change your situation... and I can honestly say from first hand experience that a good addiction specialist can work absolute wonders. :)
 
Yeah it's scary that things like this can even happen. I have a friend with Asperger's who was ripped off 2mg alprazolam / day IIRC. No one would listen to him about the hell he was going through because they just attributed the behavior to Asperger's. It makes me sick just thinking about what that must have been like. It definitely scarred him.

That's absolutely terrible. Seriously, hearing things like that disgust me. Sometimes I think that doctors and other medical personnel WANT you to suffer just so you'll "learn your lesson". They don't realize going through withdrawals, and even dealing with addiction itself, is enough suffering as it is. And, hello, chances are if we're going through these things in the first place, we already HAVE learned our lessons. It's just fucked up... it's not like quitting certain drugs and dealing with the w/d's is a cake walk in the park... it takes a lot of courage to do, and on top of that, people are trying to make a positive change in their lives... and then they get punished even more by ignorant medical staff. It's sickening.

And yep, I'm pretty sure the guy in the video mentioned something like that too. He'd go into the ER, tell them he was suffering through benzo withdrawals, and instead of treating THAT they'd say, "nah it must be something else". I think he said he saw somewhere around five different specialists, was given every type of brain test you can think of, was even sent to do a sleep study... and in the end, all of the tests came back normal, and he was basically told that there was nothing wrong with him and it was just all in his head. He said he even tried a variety of different doctors and hospitals, but they all treated him the same way. Even though he was telling everyone the WHOLE entire time what the problem was, that he just needed to be treated for Xanax withdrawal. And of course no one would listen. Ultimately, it made his withdrawals even worse because he felt completely alone, and it also made him lose all faith in the medical system. Some people even thought he was just making it all up for attention, or that he was just a hypochondriac. I think he said he finally ended up giving up and trying to go back on the benzos just to stop it all, only to be denied. Which resulted in him screaming at one of the more ignorant and asshole-ish doctors of his, and even hitting him. Fuck, I don't blame him... I'd probably be frustrated as all hell too if I had been through all of that, spent on that money on useless tests, etc. only to be kicked to the curb with no help or benefits coming out of it. The whole thing made him suicidal, but thank God he didn't act on it... as far as I know. I don't know him, but after hearing his story I definitely feel for him and I hope he's okay now.

I'd be scarred for life too, if I were him OR your friend. I can't even imagine how fucking frustrating that must be. Ugh.
 
From a strictly scientific standpoint, smoking marijuana shouldn't do much for withdrawl symptoms.

From experience though, I have used weed for opiate withdrawl (after discontinuing 300mg tramadol 2x daily) and it does help in a way that, your high on weed which helps you forget about it. Can't personally speak for benzo withdrawl, but my brother said it works for his benzo withdrawl too (1mg ativan 2-3x daily, discontinued after 3 weeks due to the fact he blew threw a 3 month supply in that time).

However, whichever path you choose to do you must continually check up on her, and if the withdrawl symptoms are getting bad (i.e. risk of seizure), giving her a pill of yours or even maybe half might be the thing to save her.
 
Getting an early appointment with her doctor, especially with the intention of getting him to write another prescription, may lead him/her to immediately stop prescribing her benzos and suggest she seek the services of a rehabilitation clinic. Unfortunately I've seen it happen before. Just be very careful at the appointment and in no way hint that she's been abusing her meds. They're not very friendly about that topic.

perhaps this woman could benefit from abstaining from benzo use, regardless though either way be honest with the doctor maybe she doesn't need what you and her think she does, perhaps some structure would help, just some speculation, purely speculation.
 
I would give her just enough to get her by under the condition that you get her script when it's filled and you give her daily amount so this quits happening.
 
But anyway... there really is no warning when it comes to seizures. They're caused by electric impulses in the brain and they sort of just... happen. Randomly. Ask her how she's feeling and tell her to be completely honest and not downplay OR exaggerate anything.
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That's a really good point about the risk of seizure from benzo withdrawal; you could be completely fine and maybe not even slightly depressed, and still have multiple seizures.
 
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you could be completely fine and maybe not even slightly depressed, and still have multiple seizures.

Yep. I think the unpredictability of it is what makes seizures so scary. Aside from what I've seen on TV (whether it was fake or on a real one on some sort of reality show), I've only seen one person have an actual seizure in front of me. It was just insane. One minute she was perfectly fine, and the next minute she's convulsing on the floor.

I've studied them enough though... I wanted to be knowledgeable about them since I'm on benzos. It seems that sometimes there are warning signs, like feeling dizzy or nauseous or confused. But other times there's not. Or at least not enough to realize you're about to have a seizure. :/

Ugh it scares the crap out of me every time one of my muscles twitch. For some reason, that's become a problem lately and I have no idea if it's the Subs, the benzos, the combination of the two, or both.
 
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