Benzos Worried About My Mom Withdrawal From Benzos.. Can I Help?

[kanyeknievel]

First and foremost NO I AM NOT SAYING THIS AS IF I AM MY MOM.

My mom came into my room just now very worried cause she knows what withdrawal is like, i dont know why she has been on kpins and stuff anyways but she always ends up taking a few more some days than other days and runs out some months quicker and she ran out a week and a half about earlier this time and im worried cause she sounded very worried about it.

She had a panic attack the other day, i calmed her down because she trusts me with my knowledge of panic atticks and psyc. But I have my own prescription of kpins, unforunatley, even tho i get 60 more than i need each month, and she would only need 1 each day, .5mg, i took that already and she doesnt get a refill till a week i believe.

So i dont think i can really help her since i need mine and i dont know if i can find any for her.

So i was wondering is there anything I can do to help her? If she is in serious withdrawal, mental being what im worried about the most, and physical... what is there to do? Will the hospital give her benzos to get her through the withdrawal? I have only suboxone otherwise.. and she has GABA medication and others, but nothing else related to anxiety besides the GABA.

I thought maybe a tiny tiny tiny bit of suboxone would help calm her down.. but i dont wnat to give her suboxone cause.. well its suboxone.

So anyone have idea and suggestions of what i should do? I know she brought this upon herself and i prob will cave in and give her a pill or two of mine, but i dont want to.

 

[R(x)AGE]

well im not advocating you sharing medication, especially the sub, but nonetheless if her withdrawals are serious she is at risk of seizure, i say keep a close eye, don't administer any supplements unless otherwise directed by her doctor, thats the answer, phone her doctor, get an earlier appt, if you cant and shes not able to cope than perhaps visit er and they will triage her, but i wouldnt share your medication she should speak to her doctor about this not her child sorry but just sayin, maybe smoke some pot with your mom if you want to be her buddy.

 

[kanyeknievel]

well pot doesnt exactly act on the GABA receptors , atleast i've never known that. I believe benzos act on GABA and other receptors.

But she isn't THAT addicted to benzos that she would have a seizure, i think she makes it worse than it actually is by thinking about it. But yeah she is prescribed 1.5kpin a day so she isnt on that high of a dose.

So smoking, not really that great an option. Could help.

I dont really want to share medication, last resort i dont want to cave in like the other times.

And the suboxone, i dont know ive read that it could be used but there has never been any studies or any threads and stuff done that people said suboxone really does help.

 

[jlcb24]

How long has she been taking the clonazepam? Nothing can truly predict whether withdrawal symptoms will manifest, but it's more likely if she has been taking the medication for an extended period of time. Administering Suboxone to her will dull the physical pains of withdrawal, but she'd risk acquiring an opiate addiction if this were to become a regular occasion. Abruptly quitting clonazepam can lead to life-threatening withdrawal symptoms. My advice to you is to not share your medication and seek a physician's help. She's abusing her medication and things can only get worse if this cycle is allowed to continue. In the mean time, keep a close eye on her and monitor her behavior. Good luck, sincerely.

 

[R(x)AGE]

How long has she been taking the clonazepam?... My advice to you is to not share your medication and seek a physician's help. She's abusing her medication and things can only get worse if this cycle is allowed to continue.

sharing bupe would be an incredible disservice to your mother, your intentions are good but there nonetheless is still a divergence between intended effect and real effect, but if you think you must share kpins, than well share some with her, but make it clear to her that she needs to tell her doctor she runs out and takes yours. shes your mother, fuck i would give my left nut if it meant that my mother wouldn't have to suffer but you need to weigh the risk/cost against the benefit, your choice though, booze work on gaba, but your thkning may lead you down a dark listless road.

 

[R(x)AGE]

perhaps check out the work of dr. ashton on benzos you will most likely be very interested and be able to answer your own questions, unfortunately all this is far too familiar.

 

[KrinkleKutt]

By sharing your meds you are getting on a slippery slope . You really want an all in the family med trading situation that can get out of hand super fast.If her doc wants to give a temp increase thats his perogative. you should make her comfortable no extra stress and get an appointment. The first one can be tough but it's down hill from there. good luck ..M.

 

[jlcb24]

Getting an early appointment with her doctor, especially with the intention of getting him to write another prescription, may lead him/her to immediately stop prescribing her benzos and suggest she seek the services of a rehabilitation clinic. Unfortunately I've seen it happen before. Just be very careful at the appointment and in no way hint that she's been abusing her meds. They're not very friendly about that topic.

 

[MagickalKat777]

But she isn't THAT addicted to benzos that she would have a seizure, i think she makes it worse than it actually is by thinking about it. But yeah she is prescribed 1.5kpin a day so she isnt on that high of a dose.

Unfortunately, you are quite incorrect here. Equivalency tables put Klonopin at 1.5mg a day at 15-30mg per day depending on the chart. If she has been on it for awhile, 1.5mg of Klonopin a day can definitely cause a seizure.

The only thing I can think of short of what has been suggested here is an NMDA antagonist that is readily available (Delsym cough syrup - no other brand will work) - 10-20mL twice a day would stave off withdrawal quite effectively without increasing her risk of seizures (NMDA blockade is one of the best ways to prevent them actually) and it blocks a lot of the physical side effects of withdrawal. The stuff is a 12 hour formulation so it needs to be taken 10-20mL every 12 hours to be effective.

Another thing that does actually help *in SMALL amounts* is alcohol. Benzos and alcohol effect the brain in similar enough ways that replacing the benzo with a half shot of vodka or whiskey can trigger an instant GABA response that can calm down any seizure activity almost immediately - this is not a long term solution but it would be effective for a week or so without too many complications. One quarter to half a shot on an as needed basis (get a BP monitor - if her BP and pulse are high, she is at risk).

My recommendation outside of the obvious visit to the hospital would be to try the Delsym route. It is safe up to 30mL at a time as long as she doesn't have a blood pressure condition but 20mL is really the most I would recommend.

EDIT: And to the above poster, I add that if she goes to the hospital over this, they most likely will call her doctor and notify he/she that she has been taking more than prescribed and they might pull her or do a very rapid taper which is nothing but hell (Klonopin is the single hardest benzo to get off of for most - a lot of people just can't do it at all).

 

[NeighborhoodThreat]

1.5mg clonazepam a day is enough for cold turkey withdrawals to be a pretty horrible experience. Get her to a doctor to get a taper (even if its a short taper) going.

Benzodiazepine (and alcohol and barbiturate) withdrawal is very dangerous. It's not like opiate or amphetamine WD, which are horrible experiences but not life-threatening. Benzo WD is a serious medical issue and needs to be treated as such.

 

[MagickalKat777]

Hence my recommendation for an NMDA antagonist in the mean time. I've been through Klonopin withdrawals. Absolute HELL! Nothing compares!

1.5mg clonazepam a day is enough for cold turkey withdrawals to be a pretty horrible experience. Get her to a doctor to get a taper (even if its a short taper) going.

Benzodiazepine (and alcohol and barbiturate) withdrawal is very dangerous. It's not like opiate or amphetamine WD, which are horrible experiences but not life-threatening. Benzo WD is a serious medical issue and needs to be treated as such.

 

[welshmick]

well im not advocating you sharing medication, especially the sub, but nonetheless if her withdrawals are serious she is at risk of seizure, i say keep a close eye, don't administer any supplements unless otherwise directed by her doctor, thats the answer, phone her doctor, get an earlier appt, if you cant and shes not able to cope than perhaps visit er and they will triage her, but i wouldnt share your medication she should speak to her doctor about this not her child sorry but just sayin, maybe smoke some pot with your mom if you want to be her buddy.

Don't smoke Pot if you want to help with panic attacks, benzo withdrawal.

Sativa & Indica both raise your metabolism initally. It can trigger a panic attack.

Believe me not a good idea.

Slow taper is the way, ask doctor for a long acting Benzo - Diazepan - take them only when needed.

 

[MagickalKat777]

Good luck getting a doctor to prescribe diazepam (Valium) - it took me many months of trying to get it unsuccessfully from a doctor I had a long term relationship with who prescribed me everything from Xanax to Lyrica for my anxiety. There is such a stigma in most doctors' eyes because of what happened when Valium took the world by storm. It never will get past that reputation. The best bet is to either go to a free clinic and plead the case, which may cause the original doctor to drop the patient or to take my advice and antagonize NMDA.

As for the pot, totally agreed. The worst thing for panic attacks when you're in withdrawal is any sort of cannabis - even when not in withdrawal, a lot of people panic over just the slightest bit of weed.

 

[kanyeknievel]

Okay well the doctor i think already knows that she has taken her medication more somedays than other days.

Suboxone- a TINY amount MAY help, but not the best idea.

Alcohol- I know alcohol and benzos do some crazy stuff together, i have mixed them.. lol. but no... no no my mom was an alocoholic im not doing that.

Weed- No.

She has GABA mediation but i do not want to tell her to take more off that, which she probably already would assume to do so, and then withdrawal from GABA which is the same thing basically.

Give her Kpin/valium- I have both. I dont want to, i always do cave in but i dont want to and i probably will if she wont go to the hospital for them to give her stuff to help her till the next prescription. Also, my dad also is very negative about the whole hospital and medication thing, he doesnt and never takes medication because of my Mom and what has happened to my Mother and how much medication she takes and all the years of her Oxycontin addiction, alcoholism and etc. He just has had enough of that.

BTW what is the Stigma for Valium? I didn't really have an issue getting my psych to prescribe me it. I was planning to get off of Kpins all together, but I started working at an office job and stuff and i couldnt really handle the stress/anxiety and i kinda cracked and needed to stay on. But i just printed out this one very credible source of a guys 3 month or so plan of him using Klonopin and valium to taper of them for good and he precribed me Valium... whats this stigma attached to it?

Dalysum, or wahtever it was, my mom isnt in good shape and im guessing most likely have high blood pressure since she is in not good shape, overweight, no work out, all of that.


And to the poster thats saying, share the medication , i would give my left nut to do whatever for my mom. You dont know my relationship with MY mom. She is the reason I never had a normal childhood growing up, a strange and different childhood with my dad and brothers.. not being with my mom.. always wondering Where is mommy? .. and when I was old enough I found out it was Rehab...from Alcohol and Oxycontin.
I remember when i was like in 5th grade and she was drunk and yelled and i was so scared cause i wasnt used to my mom being out of control... the only person your suppose to look up to, out of control... how are you suppose to feel? my dad was on bussiness trips at those times, and i hated those times. I always had to stay home and usuallly didnt have people stay over for the reason being I didnt want them to see my mom drunk.
But she has come a long way and isnt an alcoholic anymore, hasnt done pills in forever, doesnt even no anyone to get pills from.
I became her in a sense i smoked pot, did every drug basically and became a strong abuser, borderline addict to painkillers...but not anymore. So you have to take that into consideration as well. I do love her and i want to help her, but there is that lying in-between me wanting to help, and her sneaking into my room if i left my Kpins in my room and she took some that i needed, not extra. So i always carry them with me now. So thats why i dont want to give her them now.

I would want to give her a tiny bit of suboxone, 1mg or less so she is just knocked out or very tired and doesn't really notice the effects and if she does have any seizure type withdrawal i would think that suboxone would knock that out of the possibilites.
Also, I do have valium 5mgs i believe it is, but i dont get extra of those and i take those

Blah idk why i made this i know im gonna end up just giving her a kpin or something of mine.. i guess i wanted to see if suboxone or something would help.

 

[RobotRipping]

I don't really find Dr's have a stigma against valium; i can't even get a prescription for anything else. I find it's one of the safer benzos. Suboxone would probably help with the massive discomfort of benzo withdrawals but something's gonna have to hit those gaba receptors for any real relief, valerian root and, kava kava will help a bit. Pregabalin/gabapentin also work but are all short term solutions until she can get to a Dr. Zoplidem/clone also work but i wouldn't advise it unless there are no alternatives.

Maybe her tolerance is just getting higher and she needs to take more for relief, I'm sure any reasonable Dr would understand that tolerance is a part of benzo therapy. It sounds like a tough situation. I doubt suboxone would stop a seizure but i'm not 100% on that. A low dose of valium would prevent a seizure, especially since she's on a relatively low dose of kpin; 5mg valium per day until she sees a Dr or goes to the hospital would be the safest route without using up all your benzos. Either way she is going to have to see a Dr, putting yourself through benzo withdrawal all the time is not healthy.

to answer your other question: yes the hospital will give her valium most likely, they know there are serious risks with benzo withdrawal, then again sometimes they don't give people anything but I haven't been denied at the hospital and I didn't have a script at the time, i was just abusing benzos and I told them that and still got valium.

 

[brutus]

Try giving her melatonin for sleep or Unisom. Calms Forte is another good choice along with kava to help with anxiety. I have went through benzo wd before and I cannot even describe it adequately, it's rougher than quitting 100mg of methadone cold turkey IME. Just be there for your mom because I am sure she would be there for you.

 

[xburtonchic]

Even though you say your mother is the reason you didn't have a normal childhood, she's still your mother. And it sounds like you've been through the same thing... or well, you WILL be going through the same thing when it's time for you to get off the Suboxone and benzos. Wouldn't you want your mother to be there for you, and to do anything she could to make your suffering as minimal as possible, when you go through that?

She IS at risk for a seizure. Benzo WD IS life-threatening when quit cold turkey. Not always, but it can be. Better not to take that risk. When is she due for her next refill? If it's only in a few days and not too far away, I think it would be safe to say that you could give her some Klonopin, but just enough to ward off the risk of a seizure. Probably even just half a pill would do. I'm not saying you should hand them to her all at once- give them to her in controlled doses. Give her maybe a half a Klonopin per day, and keep it with you the rest of the time so she can't get into your stash. The idea isn't to feed her addiction at this point, it's to keep her alive. Because no, Suboxone will not do anything to prevent a possible seizure from benzo withdrawal.

On the other hand, if she isn't due for another refill for quite a while, I would set her up with an addiction specialist instead of the ER or her primary doctor. While most doctors at hospitals and primary care doctors are probably aware of the risks that go with quitting benzos cold turkey, there is definitely also a risk of them not caring/being ignorant and cutting her off completely, which could be dangerous. An addiction specialist, on the other hand, would help her set up an appropriate taper plan as well as set her up with some sort of support group or counseling. Maybe try getting an appointment with an addiction specialist for her as soon as possible. And like I said, just give her maybe half a Klonopin (or even a whole one, if you're really worried) per day just to make sure she doesn't have a seizure, until her appointment with the specialist.

That's just my advice though, of course... you can take it or leave it. But honestly, I would be worried for her regarding seizures if I were you... better safe than sorry, ya know?

 

[spaceyourbass]

Truth be told - someone is more at risk for benzo withdrawal seizure if they are completely sober. Just for future reference. Don't go handing out SSRIs or anything, though.

 

[cj]

I would order a small quantity of phenazepam Benzo withdrawl is no joke especially a week and a half of it. She is in real danger of a siezure so it seems to me like she iether gets more benzos or goes to detox. The other thing to consider is that she will probably start running out sooner and sooner if the doc doesnt up the doseage of her script.

 

[kanyeknievel]

I would order a small quantity of phenazepam Benzo withdrawl is no joke especially a week and a half of it. She is in real danger of a siezure so it seems to me like she iether gets more benzos or goes to detox. The other thing to consider is that she will probably start running out sooner and sooner if the doc doesnt up the doseage of her script.

Order a small amount of Phenazepan? How do I do that... I know you can buy benzos on the internet without insurance covering it but ive never trusted to use any site or thought of it because I know there are sites that DO send you them and there sites that DONT send you them.

Also, how do I know if she is really badly withdrawaling besides her saying she is withdrawaling? She seemed fine last night? I was waiting for myself to start withdrawling from bags i did the other night and i was out in the living room with my mom and dad for like 4 or 5 hours and she was pretty fine, kinda shakey with her hands when i went to bed but thats it.
What are the signs/symptoms if it gets really bad?

Its true, i would want all the help and support I could get when I get off of suboxone and kpins cause I plan to get off kpins as soon as i can. I wanted to get off Kpins, i tried but like i said when i started work i got so overwhelmed i couldnt do it.. maybe it was all in my mind. But suboxone, i have a plan... Kratom. Im gonna slowly go down to a very low dose of suboxone then go on kratom for how long I need to for the suboxone withdrawal.

Im on suboxone for two reasons. help me with not doing opiates which has helped me A LOT, even tho i did them the other day yes, but that was just a summer thing and i have no urge to do it again especailly with work starting again. and the second reason is I have this very strange pressure , inward pressure, not like headache, in my head. like my brain sorta.

I THINK its related to stress/anxiety, because the days im more stressed and anxious and what not i get it and it REALLY does effect my mood, and my life... i went to the neurlogist and got CT scans and MRIs of my brain and there is NOTHING wrong that they could find.. no tumor or anything which is what i was worried about. I was happy about that... but i also wanted there to be SOMETHING, not something bad, but SOMETHING so i could get rid of it. So he put me on topromax, which has helped with the severity of it but it still isnt gone, and i really want to know what it is and for some reason the suboxone does help me when i do a little bit of it... so i dont want to get off of it. I really want to know what it is.

But what are the signs and symptoms that i need to know about if she is going into bad withdrawal, seizure withdrawal?