worried about a friend.. -LSD

[tabbyluv4u]

Hello Bluedophin,

This is my first post/question. I really wanted to get the opinion of someone like yourself who has been there (drug induced scz). I'm concerned about a family member 20 y/o who has been exibiting classing signs of drug induced SCZ from smoking a blunt laced with LSD or PCP...not sure which. He went from a happy, funny, handsome, smart gentleman to hanve extreme manic depression, delusions believing he's been drugged all his life and that "they" have flagged his social security number, he's been sleeping on porches in the rain, He's also jumped out of a moving vehicle several times, he confront random ppl and ask why are they eyeing him....the list goes on and on and on...


My question is how did you come to the realization that you had a problem and needed to change. I know this can't be the end of the road for him. How do I talk to him and show him I am supporitive and that he really REALLY needs to seek help?!?!

BTW, he is currently in a mental hosptal as of yesterday. He pulled a knife out on the family, had a weird, evil gaze in his eyes, then locked himself in the bathroom, with the knife. I fear he may get sooo depressed that he may hurt himself, if someone doesn't hurt him first.

 

[Synaps3]

In some ways I can relate to what your friend is going through. I am not paranoid about being poisoned or anything and I am definitely not psychotic, but I had extremely severe social phobia for about the past three years - it's getting better though. Everyone seems to be bringing up the possibility of the drugs inducing some kind of psychosis, but I think you should first question what got him interested in drugs in the first place. Was it just pure interest or was he depressed? I've noticed that psychedelics seem to solidify whatever thoughts you may have near the time of the trips. The chronic use of LSD you mentioned probably slowly ingrained the negative paranoid thoughts into his mind, but not necessarily causing them. Being paranoid obviously means that you can't trust anything and when you can't trust anything, you have a really hard time relating to people. The psychedelics add a sort of groundedness and gives you something you can 'trust in'. I got into a pretty dark place about a year ago because of my social phobia and in my case the psychedelics was not the cause of my phobia. He might just be a really paranoid person that has been amplified by the psychedelics. Before just going and strait up getting him a psychiatrist, I would first find out if he had any of these problems on a lesser scale before using the psychedelics. This way you'll know if it is really the drugs that are the problem. If you do just get him a psychiatrist, you might just make him more fucked up because to him you'd be legitimatizing the thoughts.

 

[tabbyluv4u]

Hi, thanks for the response.

I know this is a very sensitive condition (if that's in fact what he has). I'm just speculating and trying to put 2 and 2 together...piecing together when his behavior changed and why. It was very coincidental that he smoked a laced joint then his behavior went downhill...

He's always been an introvert, reserved and a little "weird" for lack of a better word, but always nice, funny sense of humor. But now he's angry, depressed, and paranoid. Yes, I do believe the drugs were a coping mechanism, trying to suppress some memories of a not so great child hood. So he may have been predisposed to SCZ or some other mental illness and this drugs trigger what was already lying underneath it all.

I think he needs a psychiatrist anyway to learn how to deal and cope with whatever happened in the past but please explain your comment 'If you do just get him a psychiatrist, you might just make him more fucked up because to him you'd be legitimatizing the thoughts.' I'm not understanding where you're coming from with that?

Thanks

 

[thoughtsUnThought]

Legitimizing the thoughts in this instance means that by you throwing him into a psychiatrist office you will appear to him as 'one of them' or another oppressor. That's what synaps 3 meant by his closing statement I believe.

Oh and it wasn't LSD on the laced blunt, lol, LSD is inactive smoked. PCP or many many possible RCs are the more realistic culprit. But really there's far to many smokable compounds to speculate. Just know it wasn't a laced LSD joint, that's be a waste and not a practical choice for any lacer.

 

[thoughtsUnThought]

^^agreed.
Doesn't seem very economically practical to lace something with something else. And as you said, i've heard PCP is quite distinguishable of itself.

RCs would be the potential cost effective lacing agent, but like you also said, customer loss would be significant. I'm sure there are plenty of dealers who sell unlaced pot, so the market for mysterious chem soaked buds surely would't stand up against a reputable dealer who sells actual unadulterated plant material.

I was mainly aiming to get LSD out of the finger-pointing zone, for we all agree that simply isn't the lacing agent.
I guess if you dropped a drop on the end you hit out of lol...

I have a feeling with all the specialized strains of cannabis available, and with the high THC low CBN/CBD proportionately, that the chances of intense psychedelic reactions to unlaced herb are more common than it was a decade or two ago. Some strains are so much more 'trippy' than others, and considering the effect of placebo and the potential for profound consciousness change w/o drugs, that it seems like most instances of someone thinking they got a laced bag they could be mistaken. Of course though, a true stoner i would like to think could differentiate between a super sativa strain and a psychedelic laced joint, but hey just throwing ideas out there.

 

[tabbyluv4u]

WHOA! A little bit outta my league here! You guys are moving tooooo fast!, I know NOTHING about drugs, but ya learn something new everyday! 8(

It is good to know that LSD isn't the culprit, and I guess it really doesn't matter what it was b/c he's sick and needs some helps. I just don't know how to help or what to do. I try and talk about whatever mundane subject because if I pry or say the wrong words it'll set him off on this loooong rant, and it's so tiring/exhausting listening to it.

I would like him to take boxing lessons with me, I think it'll help release some aggression and I've read the exercise if beneficial to mental illness....maybe I'll start there. But anybody else that has been affected by drug induce psychosis, either yourself or someone you know...ANY advice is much appreciated