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World War II history appreciation thread - you insensitive clod

Raasyvibe said:
YOU INSENSITIVE COLD
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I love how you're going round highlighting spelling mistakes today. You should probably consider looking at your apostrophe use in recent posts, before you're so quick to judge.
 
englandgz74 said:
What do you think Felix?

Good idea?

Yes / No / Insensitive clod? :)
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Well, we won, so it must be a good idea. ;)

Have you ever visited a Nazi concentration camp?

We visited Natzweiler-Struthof last year, down in France (in an area that used to be in Germany). If there's one thing that'll bring it all home to you, it's doing that. It's well preserved, and sits in an area of outstanding beauty. Watchtowers, barbed wire fences, gallows from that era still extant.

The "residents" were put to work quarrying for the Germans. On a hot sunny mountain top, with amazing views across the valley. In the exhibits there are of course countless photos of how things used to be. In some of the buildings you can see where people were jailed, tortured, killed, and cremated. Further down the hill is a building where they had the crematorium, and in that building (round the corner from the boiler) they had hooks on the ceiling where they would quietly & silently hang people out of the way of the general populace. This would have happened before lowering them down to the morgue for cold storage, later raising them back up again and hoisting them back up and into the furnace to provide fuel for the hot water/heating systems.

Further round the hill, there was a nice looking hostelry (still open for business, btw). Across the road from it was an innocuous looking building, which happened to be a test-bed for the gas chambers of later years. We could still see the "pipe" in the wall where the bad guys would shovel an amount of nefarious susbtance through this hole, and watch the reaction on the other side.

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Further round on the same building, there were three deep, white tiled "plunge baths", with large external doors leading to them from the road outside (pictured above). No-one yet appears to have come up with with a feasible reason for this set-up. All I know is that it was probably something dodgy. :|

All of this was fucking mental. God only knows what seeing Auschwitz would be like.

Btw there was a huge visitor centre at this place describing what had gone on, as far as they knew. Which apparently wasn't much.

Everyone should visit one of these places. :|
 
Yeah man, visited Dachau a few years and (Ok crass and insensitive) but Dachau was hardly one of the worst ones, it's just remembered partially because a bunch of wealthy Americans were incarcerated there, so after the war there was a well-funded campaign to turn it into a museum...

I am in strong favour of a Second World War thread, just my two cents.
 
I've visited Dachau. Fucking mental is one way to describe it :\

The Nazis did boast one of the best Uniforms in warfare history. Snazzy British efforts during the boer wars would be up there apart from their complete inappropriateness for the sweaty conditions.
 
Oh you want serious?

WW1 was supposed to be the War to end all Wars and because of English Imperialism the Germans were forced into freeing their country from unfair economic strains placed on them by the Allies. Why no British leaders were trailed as war criminals is beyond me.

Nice job with continued world peace through Isreal and splitting Germany with the Russians causing almost another 100 years of turmoil by the way.
 
Natzweiler-Struthof really upset me. It's the first concentration camp I visited and I've had horrible nightmares about it since. The thing that really got to me was seeing what I though was the kitchen block, with it has a chimney - some kitchen it turned out to be where they killed people alive and incinerated them. In the block they had medical experiment rooms, other rooms build for torture and to kill prisoners in custom made rooms where the drainage system was designed to made it easily to wash the blood away. There were torture chambers - awful paces and right next door fancy wallpapered offices for the Reich (sp?) to keep the accounts of the process. The furnace and meat hangers that held people often not dead so disturbed me. The human sized steel platters to enter and to stoke the fires in the furnaces like a machine. It was awful and will be for life with me in terror. I still have nightmares about that place.

Some kitchen, and there was me innocently wandering into to be faced by the ultimate horror.

The gas chamber felix showed a pic above didn't help my guilt and shame, that humans could design and build such atrocious set ups - it was like these were the experimental zones to go onto to be used in Autswitch and other camps . Such innocent surroundings, but hidden within it was horror and one of the worst images I will ever relive. I still have problems understanding and assimilating it into my psyche - apart from the nightmares.

Everyone should experience it - it'll change you.
 
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Yes I've been to Auschwitz twice. It's pretty grim. That's all I can really say about it......grim. Even on a summers day no birds fly over the place. Almost as if they know the suffering that went on there

One of the most interesting places I've been is Oradour-sur-Glane which I'm sure Felix will know is the French town near Limonges where the entire inhabitants of the the town (642 people) were killed by the members of the 3rd company, Fuhrer Regiment of the 2nd SS Das Reich division on 10th June 1944. They were trying to travel up to the Normandy coast to counter attack the beachheads and were constantly harassed by the RAF and members of the resistance all the way. As a reprisal they shot all the men in Oradour and stuck all the women in children into the church and burned them alive. (although the Oradour massacre was supposedly in retaliation for their company commander who had been shot by the resistance).

The really weird thing is that they have left the town as a shrine, It's never been touched since 1944 and is in the exact same condition today as when the Germans raised it to the ground 70 years ago....Now that place is spooky!!

Incidentally those pipes leading into the buildings at Natzweiler-Struthof where the first gassings took place were I believe to be connected to the exhaust of a truck and carbon monoxide pumped into the rooms as the lethal gas. Eventually this evolved to the use of Zyclon-B and unfortunately the rest is history.

Oh and Don and Felix...what part of the war interests you the most? For me it's the Normandy campaign starting from D-Day at the beginning of June 1944 and leading right up to the Rhine at the end of March 1945. And the Eastern Front from Stalingrad during the winter of 1942/43 up to the battle for Berlin in April/May 1945
 
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Eh? I don't quite see your point. Of course the winners (the Allies) are going to be upset. The were the ones who had the atrocities perpetrated against them!

If you were an Eastern European Jew who had watched 6 million of your people murdered. You'd probably be a tad pissed.

Raasyvibe said:
YOU INSENSITIVE COLD
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no it was definitely "CLOD" not "COLD". I was quite embarrassed to go off on one at Lurching when he posted that as I misunderstood what it meant....for which I've profusely apologised (sorry Lurching :) )

One Thousand Words said:
Why no British leaders were trailed as war criminals is beyond me
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Because the victors usually aren't. And besides what war crimes do you mean. Yes the saturation bombing of German cities was unfortunate (for the Germans) but it wasn't a war crime. It was just another horror of mechanized warfare.....and besides they started it :)

One Thousand Words said:
Nice job with continued world peace through Israel and splitting Germany with the Russians causing almost another 100 years of turmoil by the way.
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I fail to see how that was the fault of the British. I mean do you know about the British mandate for Palestine and the fact that we were practically engaged in all out warfare with the Newly settled Jewish immigrants who wanted to occupy parts of Palestine? And with regard to the Russians taking over half of Europe that was again unfortunate but it's hard to see how it could have been helped. Without the Red Army's colossal sacrifices we wouldn't have won the war. There were mistakes made such as the western allies decision to stop at the Elbe and FDR's strange opinion that he could work with Stalin and trust him despite all of Churchill's warnings to the contrary but Soviet domination of Eastern Europe was inevitable and there was absolutely jack shit we could have done about it
 
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