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Woodentops get more drug test powers

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Ismene2

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From today, Saturday 1 April, anyone over the age of 18 arrested and taken to an Essex Police custody suite will be asked to take a saliva test to detect whether Class A drugs – heroin, cocaine and crack cocaine – are in their system if a woodentop suspects Class A drugs use may have caused or contributed to the offence they have been arrested for.

Detainees will automatically be asked to take a test if they are arrested for a ‘trigger offence’, which include acquisitive crimes, such as theft, vehicle-taking, licking swans arses, robbery, burglary or handling stolen goods; and production, possession or possession with intent to supply Class A drugs.

While someone cannot be forced to take a saliva test, they can be prosecuted if they fail or refuse one, so dont even try you jakey cunts. They can also be prosecuted for failing to attend an initial assessment or follow-up appointment with their drugs worker.

 
Its terrible the way your guys drug policies in the UK keep seeming to get worse. The people in power seem to have a deep found hate for drug users. We have the same issue towards certain drug types in the US like Meth and Fentanyl.

But thankfully people are becoming more open minded towards psychedelics and cannabis. Thinks its pretty crazy that if they arrest you for a petty theft they will drug test you, and then force you into treatment. Cuz it probably wont end with the assessment.
 
Anyone who tests positive will be referred to a specialist drug treatment programme to address their misuse of illegal drugs, which is often at the root of their offending.
“If we can divert more people from using heroin, cocaine and crack cocaine, we believe we will see a reduction in violence in all its forms.
“Many drug users also commit acquisitive crimes so they can buy the drugs they are addicted to.
“We want to break that cycle, provide addicts with a chance to give up drugs, steer them away from crime by stopping their offending behaviour and help them to turn their lives around by giving them positive choices.
“Most importantly, fewer crimes mean fewer victims. Fewer victims of domestic violence or violence associated with the night-time economy or drugs gangs and fewer victims of acquisitive crime, too.
“Evidence shows that providing access to drug and alcohol treatment services is good value for money because it cuts crime, improves people’s health and reduces the fear and misery drugs and drug use can cause in our communities.”
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Its so tragic that both snake and starmer are both so antidrugs. Starmer says drugs are the root of all crime
 
On one hand it seems to me that most non drug users don't realise that many drug users hold down jobs or careers and pay for their drugs with money they have legitimately earned. And they are surprised and shocked to learn that this can be the case. That is generally just not acknowledged. It seems to me that a large number of EADD / Bluelight members are in that category.

However, and this may be an unpopular opinion here, but it is the truth, I also know that a number of addicts, whose habits have ran away with them, do go on one man crime sprees, mugging, thieving, and burgling their way to acquire the cash for their next fix. I'm certainly no hard line authoritarian, In fact I'm very libertarian when it comes to drugs (of course I am considering my own usage,) but obviously the sort of criminal behaviour that involves mugging, burgling, and theft can't be tolerated or condoned. It does give drug users a bad name. Hence why as a group they / we are viewed so negatively by non drug users.

I have no idea of the proportions and the stats, but obviously it does happen. It's equally obvious that anyone on these boards who does, or has done those things, is hardly likely to go round publicly acknowledging it.
 
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Anyone who tests positive will be referred to a specialist drug treatment programme to address their misuse of illegal drugs, which is often at the root of their offending.
“If we can divert more people from using heroin, cocaine and crack cocaine, we believe we will see a reduction in violence in all its forms.
“Many drug users also commit acquisitive crimes so they can buy the drugs they are addicted to.
“We want to break that cycle, provide addicts with a chance to give up drugs, steer them away from crime by stopping their offending behaviour and help them to turn their lives around by giving them positive choices.
“Most importantly, fewer crimes mean fewer victims. Fewer victims of domestic violence or violence associated with the night-time economy or drugs gangs and fewer victims of acquisitive crime, too.
“Evidence shows that providing access to drug and alcohol treatment services is good value for money because it cuts crime, improves people’s health and reduces the fear and misery drugs and drug use can cause in our communities.”

There is something to that, but I have some issues with it. First it doesn't understand that enforced treatment is less likely to be successful. Also, drug use is seldom the actual root per se. Something usually drives the drug use in the first place, and that is what actually needs addressing. Often it's some form of mental or physical condition that is untreated and is causing pain of some form. This is all tied up with a lot of homelessness too, sometimes crime or homelessness can be part of addictions that have gotten of control. I sound like a social worker. But those who know about such things,or have experience, know that the actual root causes of the whole thing are often complicated and difficult.
 
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“Many drug users also commit acquisitive crimes so they can buy the drugs they are addicted to.

Then legalise the fuckers. A kilo of pure heroin bought legally by the NHS costs about £80. Give them a kilo and they wouldn't have to commit a crime for the rest of their lives.
 
Ismene2 said:
“Many drug users also commit acquisitive crimes so they can buy the drugs they are addicted to.

Then legalise the fuckers. A kilo of pure heroin bought legally by the NHS costs about £80. Give them a kilo and they wouldn't have to commit a crime for the rest of their lives.
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Like one teacher of mine said – legalise drugs, and give them drugs, and give them the fucking hardest drugs so they all fucking die lol..

Many junkies with a kilo of pure H, before finishing it would end up in state whey they either feel nothing or get a tiny bit of high and pass out, so called super junkies hell.

But giving just enough H in injection centres would work as a charm (for those who would be willing to accept H in that way, and it isn’t really that popular in countries where it’s possible and most just stick to the street).

I say give them opium with some butyr-fent for smoking after work...or anything that’s better than H so they have real reason to join the program instead. jk
 
And I use word junkies to describe not all addicts but just those harming society cuz their habit is more important to them than being a decent human being
 
SpiralusSancti said:
Like one teacher of mine said – legalise drugs, and give them drugs, and give them the fucking hardest drugs so they all fucking die lol..

Many junkies with a kilo of pure H, before finishing it would end up in state whey they either feel nothing or get a tiny bit of high and pass out, so called super junkies hell.

But giving just enough H in injection centres would work as a charm (for those who would be willing to accept H in that way, and it isn’t really that popular in countries where it’s possible and most just stick to the street).

I say give them opium with some butyr-fent for smoking after work...or anything that’s better than H so they have real reason to join the program instead. jk
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If you legalised everything then people wouldn't have to inject heroin tho. And they wouldn't have to lead desperate lives of commiting crime to fund their habit. They could smoke opium, drink opium etc, even smoke H if they wanted. The only reason you end up banging heroin is a financial decision - because it's the cheapest way of making it last longer. Army vets who are prescribed heroin lead regular lives - ok they're addicted but the only problem they might have is constipation. It's the black market that makes heroin dangerous.

This is one of the best articles I've ever read - "Make heroin legal"

www.theguardian.com

Make heroin legal

In the first of a two-part series, Nick Davies argues that the disease and moral collapse associated with class A drugs is due to criminalisation, not the drugs themselves.
www.theguardian.com www.theguardian.com
 
SpiralusSancti said:
And I use word junkies to describe not all addicts but just those harming society cuz their habit is more important to them than being a decent human being
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They arn't harming society - being addicted to legal heroin is no problem to society whatsoever. There's thousands of ex army vets hooked on heroin after injuries - they lead totally normal lives because they have legal access to heroin. It's the fact that it's illegal that harms society.

Before heroin was made illegal there were about 500 heroin addicts in the UK. After 30 years of prohibition there's 300,000.
 
Speaking at a Tory leadership hustings in Darlington, Rishi Sunak reportedly said: “Drugs are horrific. There is nothing recreational about them. I have never taken them and will be incredibly tough on anyone who does.”
 
Ismene2 said:
Speaking at a Tory leadership hustings in Darlington, Rishi Sunak reportedly said: “Drugs are horrific. There is nothing recreational about them. I have never taken them and will be incredibly tough on anyone who does.”
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What a cunt.

1. I dont believe he's never taken any drugs
2. If he hasn't, he's even more of a boring bastard than I gave him credit for
3. How the fuck does he know 'there is nothing recreational about them' if he's never had them
4. What a cunt.
 
And Starmer's no better on drugs - he's hardline flog em. I think his claim to fame was saying "Drugs are the root cause of almost all crime"
 
F.U.B.A.R. said:
How the fuck does he know 'there is nothing recreational about them' if he's never had them
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Because the bastard is a cunt, a lying cunt.
This clown is even worse than that Boris scarecrow
I said it before, Theresa May was the girl, at least she had decent legs (yes, I am that sick)
 
Ismene2 said:
And Starmer's no better on drugs - he's hardline flog em. I think his claim to fame was saying "Drugs are the root cause of almost all crime"
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Which we all know is fuckin bollocks.

Prohibition is the root of drug crime.

But money is the root of crime in general.


So all he has to do to eliminate crime is legalise drugs and abolish money.

Simples....
 
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