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Witchcraft/Sorcery

We like to give names to them as angels and demons but you never know who you are dealing with but all words are magic. Some people label science as religion and magic as atheism and are really bumbling around with words they do not understand.
In, out, black, white. All powerful words that are only antonyms at their surface. Deep down they are all the same word.
 
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Morphling said:
Ninae, yes you are right.
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Pigs may fly, LOL.

Anyway, I think "White" magic is more like the magic Jesus performed. But that is very demanding in terms of purity and how you conduct yourself in the world, etc. Some spiritual teachers reckon all kinds of selfish magic is dark, however, as only demons or darlk spirits will bother to respond to your call.

Angels are more likely to be willing to participate when you want to do something to help somone or bring something good into the world. And like Jesus they can give healing and blessing powers, like warm hands, etc. (I've experienced this spontaneously a few times). But I think the kind of magic Jesus warned against was the old, black, fertility-based kind of heathen magic, based on sexual abuse and blood sacrifices, etc. (at it's ultimate end, not necessarily for new practitioners).
 
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Oh, I didn't know that. My Mother has a few books although I've not seen them since I as a child; perhaps being young as I was, I didn't read them as thoroughly as I ought have done.
Very interesting your craft. I would imagine one must be rather respectful and cautious with their craft. Question: Do they ever enter your dreams? or rather, when your in a dream like state that is almost like being awake?

I had too many weird and heart thumping experiences when I was 11 ish that made me re evaluate learning more. It felt like something really wanted me to be 'sure' that this was what I wanted because if I did, it would come.
Kind of scared me actually. Like I was a child playing with fire and perhaps I was.

I left it alone, respectfully. But I have never felt alone. I do believe I have 'watchers that protect' yes I do believe that.
Anyway, older now.
Happy to read more, learn more.
thank you for clearing that up about the burnings. Glad we live now.
 
Morphling said:
In Scotland, certain parts of Europe, yes, but it was not common practice. They weren't even burning witches, they were burning Christians. The notion of the Burning Times and all that shite has been soundly academically refuted. Rediculous.
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We're not disputing whether or not they were actual witches, just that the burning method was fairly common. Wiki seems to refute what you're saying. They did also hang people too, and apparently drown them.
 
Quoting wikipedia at me.... you're a physician, correct?

Check your sources. You will absolutely not win this argument.
 
As I understand it, it was just as common for Christians to be burned, if they were wanted out of the way by pagans. In that time it would have been easy to manifacture evidence against someone. It's more about the practice than who were the actual martyrs, as we can't really know by now. Both sides can make their claims for themselves, however.

I would also think much of it was politically/financially founded, as per always.
 
Maya said:
I have always been fascinated about stories regarding witches and sorcerers. When I was younger, I had spells that I have gathered from people back in my country and assumed that if I did it, I will be able to put a spell on someone but for some reason it didn't work. Maybe I was not doing it right?
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I'm sure you were doing whatever you were doing as you were supposed to.. but magic doesn't exist.
 
It's quite hard to prove that something does not exist :P
It would on the other hand quite easy for mages, sorcerers or whatever to give a demonstration of some phenomenon that cannot be explained by science, but I don't remember anyone successful so far (Randi still keeps his money :P).
The correct position would probably be agnosticism... but mind you, agnosticism is not a neutral stance. If you don't believe in the existence of something you'll probably live your life as if that something does not exist.
 
True. I was bringing it up because his words were a bit antagonizing. He adds nothing. He is baseless.
 
Magic is a force existing in nature and any attempt to utilize or create this force has chance result. Believing magic ends your search for a cause.
 
Magic is but one's natural ability to attract without asking - Austin Osman Spare (The Book of Pleasure: The Psychology of Ecstasy)

Ask and you shall be denied. This is one of the best books I have read about magic. Spare argues that the freedom of energy is not obtained by its bondage. The desire has to be organic, not conscious. A bat never asked for wings.

I've just finished reading Faust and have decided that I will be celebrating next Walpurgis Night on the Brocken (also called Blocksberg, the highest peak of Northern Germany). Even if I have to sell my soul for it. The Brocken has always played a role in legends and has been connected with witches and devils. Goethe took up the legends in his play Faust.
 
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Watched "The 9th Gate" last night. It was okayish as entertainment, but quite sick and ridiculous as for the content. Basically a lot of wealthy people looking to be possessed by the Devil.

But one thing that struck me was at the end when one of the characters finally attained his goal and was in ecstacy he said "Aah, I can feel the power surging through me, like electric currents."

Because that is just what I think when I can feel the power of Christ flowing through me. It feels very physical, like a lot of warmth and electricity, running down your arms and out through your palms. Guess this is how hands-on-healing could work. It also makes you want to instinctually hold out your hands, like Jesus is pictured as, just to spread the healing energy out to the world. And it also heals yourself at the same time.

I've no doubt being filled with dark energy can also give you a high, but of a different kind. It wouldn't be like "Aaaah", hearing and angel choir, and feeling completely blessed. Maybe more like taking Meth and going to a rock concert, or like the high some can get from committing a rape.

Obviously many in this world enjoy these kind of things, so I guess you couldn't really say it's worthless in that sense, but I don't put value on it personally. The power of light is stronger and can get you much more blissed out, anyway.

P.S. I'm a bit suspicious of Johnny Depp from the way his eyes lit up when he said "Lucifer" (meaning "Lucifer" as a glorified name for the Devil), just like Bob Dylan when he said he had "Made a deal with the Chief Commander (of this world and beyond)". Though he seems like a good guy.

By the way, Jesus is the highest spiritual authority, or "The Chief Commander of this world and beyond". Anyone who believes otherwise are like the slow kids in class.
 
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Ninae, though I respect everyone's religious beliefs, 'Jesus' is a fairly new kid on the block so to speak. You say he is the authority, the 'chief commander of this World and beyond' but he's not that old and well, we are. I'm curious as to what or who you think was the so called 'chief commander' before 2000 years ago. Asherah? What, pray tell, is your opinion on pre christian beliefs?

-slow kid in class, jgj
 
You seem to make a lot of judgments Ninae, I have to say. To call those who believe differently than you "the slow kids in class" is pretty... I don't know, arrogant, dismissive, even mean. My impression of Jesus is that he wouldn't have judged people like that. Just saying. Disagreeing with your beliefs is neither a personal attack nor a character flaw.
 
I wasn't actually being that serious. Sometimes I just feel frustrated so many don't realise what he has to offer us.

As for the question, the one who was known as Jesus might have lived 2000 years ago, but, like most of us, I believe his soul is a lot older than that. I think his lifetime as Jesus was probably the culmination of a lot of work he had done before and he spent a long time preparing for it. He seems to have been with us for a long time.

I see Jesus as the human soul God has the most trust in and has entrusted with the responsibility for humanity. And he has made a promise not to return to Heaven until every single one of us has returned and is our shield against darkness.
 
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What the bible says and what Jesus's soul do are entirely different things. I have not read cover to cover but you seem to be the only source for this promise he made to not return to heaven.
 
Merlin444 said:
Magic is but one's natural ability to attract without asking - Austin Osman Spare (The Book of Pleasure: The Psychology of Ecstasy)

Ask and you shall be denied. This is one of the best books I have read about magic. Spare argues that the freedom of energy is not obtained by its bondage. The desire has to be organic, not conscious. A bat never asked for wings.

I've just finished reading Faust and have decided that I will be celebrating next Walpurgis Night on the Brocken (also called Blocksberg, the highest peak of Northern Germany). Even if I have to sell my soul for it. The Brocken has always played a role in legends and has been connected with witches and devils. Goethe took up the legends in his play Faust.
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Interesting.
 
pmoseman said:
What the bible says and what Jesus's soul do are entirely different things. I have not read cover to cover but you seem to be the only source for this promise he made to not return to heaven.
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Enlightened/High-Consciousness souls can duplicate themselves and be many places at the same time.

Is Blocksberg actually a real place? I thought it only belonged in fairytales (witches from Blocksberg). German influence on Scandinavian culture again.
 
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