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Will Psychedelics ever make a comeback?

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I've thought about this for a long time, that basically ecstacy use is becoming more and more commercialised, ie that it is big business on both sides of the law. Another point i'd like to make is that IMHO ecstacy has increasingly swallowed up other drug cultures such as LSD, a sign of the times or directly linked to the rise of MDMA? Yet when i think about the conditions that led to the great acid wave of the sixties, i can see a resemblence with what going on in the world today. Do you think that acid might make a comeback when the next inevitable cultural revolution rolls around? Maby acid is dead and buried but maby the seeds of psychedelic resurgence are already beginning to be seen. I was specifically thinking of 2CB, when i first took it i thought that it was exceedingly rare, however based on what i've read on bluelight a lot more people seemed to a climbed the significantly more psychedelic next step up the phenethylamine stairway. Personally i'd like to see the day when the next wave hits and every man and his dog jumps off the MDMA juggernaut. I'd love to hear people's thoughts
 
I too would like to see 2CB rise up over the wave of ecstacy. I've always found psychedelics far more interesting than MDMA.
However there is a dosing issue with 2CB and other dimethoxy-phenethylamines. It is often the case that a dose only 30-40 mg over the recommended recreational amount leads to overdose. Therefore users would have to overcome the whole rave pill-dropping mentality of eating numerous pills on one night if 2CB were to take off.
 
Personally I'd like to see no waves of anything. In a perfect world, everyone would research everything they try, and only do it because it interests them personally rather than because everyone is doing it.
Won't happen though unfortunately, something will eventually be the "next big thing" - as is the nature of drug use nowadays. What exactly it will be though is anyone's guess, but I don't think it will be acid again - nor MDMA... both have had their time in the spotlight. There will always be people that start using either substance of course (acid hasn't been the thing for quite a while but people are still discovering it).
My guess is that there's a high chance the "next big thing" will be in a number of years, and will be something that 99% of people currently know nothing (or at least very little) about. Who'd heard of MDMA in 1980? Not many people - but nowadays who hasn't heard of it? When you think about it like that, you realise that it's going to be hard to predict.
Interesting topic... :)
 
Well when you think of it at the moment all the "new" drugs do carry some danger of over dosing. But as the demand increases the dealers will try to make the most of their buck, hence the purity will decrease. Look at pills. Back in the early 90s the pills were much stronger, I think numbers like 130mg were being bantered around. But now days your lucky to get anything near 100mg.
So for now 2CB is pure and dangerous, but as people start to latch onto it then the purity will go down, and the number of OD will drop.
Well that's my opinion.
 
Without raping the disired topic too much, I'd disagree with the purity of MDMA pills.
I'd say that strength and quality have increased, but perhaps not available to some.
As for psychadelics making a come back, I don't think they ever left really. Perhaps there aren't groups of people getting together, doing acid and making their usage and opinions public, but the use of psychadelic's I would have thought, would not be declining.
I'd also say that (even without statistical backup) more and more research chemicals are being explored, tried and tested as laws tighten up on certain substances.
A good indication (even though it is a small sample of the population) is the ever growing trip report archive not just on bluelight but on other bulletin boards as well -- not to mention the ever growing population of bluelighters!
 
i think variety is the spice of life, bring all the drugs on, let them all be popular. maybe we can kill some stereotypes in the process.
 
LSD will never make a comeback like it did in the sixties, the factors that overned it will never be able to be replicated it, in particular the fact that it was legal until 1967 the year that the peak of the acid wave broke. Also elements such as the involvement of the secret services in the distribution of LSD, a good book to read on this subject is Acid Dreams. I dunno about an expansion in phentyethalamines such as 2-cb, although i've recently come in contact with this for the first time and intend to experiment with it soon. Personally I would like to see a wider use of tryptamines, while at the same time I subscribe to Terrance mckenna's ideal that we don't need mass cultural use of psychedelics, like Leary proposed, but a smaller more informd and equipped groups doing larger doses. Its the huxley approach.
 
i think variety is the spice of life, bring all the drugs on, let them all be popular. maybe we can kill some stereotypes in the process.
Unfortunately the 'popularity' of certain drugs leads lots of people to try them, and probably like them, and then tell their friends "TRY THIS!" without offering (or even possessing) any knowledge about what the drug is, what it does, or any other vital information. With widespread proliferation of strong drugs that little is known about, and without strictly adhering to harm minimisation principles, more than just stereotypes will tragically die.
BigTrancer :)
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Thats prohibtions fault, not popularity. Besides you cant stick this genie back in the box, drug are here to stay and en masse. If drugs were legal, theyd come with warnings anyway.
Actually all i was really trying to say was that popularity of specific drugs is bad in prohibtion because of misinformation. There would be less opportunity for people to get dumb and dangerous information from the media about drugs if every1 simply did a variety of drugs and no single drug was in the spotlight.
If people wanna be stupid and kill themselves, thats natural selection. Its a pity the media spin it into anti-drug propaganda but really its just dumb people doing dumb things. Aint ever gonna put that genie back in the bottle either even if we can reduce it.
 
I think for many drugs to be used responsibly we all should act responsibly. However being irresponsible is sooo much for more fun and dangerous. I wonder where to draw the line there.
I have done things that I believe looking back on have been irresponsible. Yet when I did them it was all fine. ;) So the subjectivity of responsibility is the issue here! :)
 
Perhaps it could be to do with age... when i was a teenager heaps of teens did acid, still do. As I got older less people seem to take acid (its a cheap high for schoolies) and leaned more towards ecstasy, then speed, meth and cocaine. However being the ever greedy population all the crystal got consumed fairly quickly and now it seems ecstasy and speed are used most often in the age group I am in.
btw i use the term 'speed' meaning both meth and amphetamine.
Perhaps if you would like to see acid again go hang out with 15 year olds haha!!!
- on that matter is acid easy to make... perhaps that might be why it is so prevalent in our teens of today, or perhaps because its so cheap compared to other substances.
 
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on that matter is acid easy to make
Um, no. It actually is a complete and utter bastard to make. Probably one of the hardest to make popular drugs. The reason its so damn cheap is the amount you need to get high (100-200 mics in an ideal world) compared to E or speed (100mg or so)
I don't think Psychedelics will make a comeback in the climate our society is in right now. The powers that be are hellbent on supressing any altered state that is difficult to intergrate back into "reality". People (and by this I mean the faceless public) nowdays are too cooped up in their comfortable existance to actually want to "look outside the box" as it were.
What we need is another enlightenment, or a some sort of revolution where people go back to exploring the mind. If you've read Terrence McKenna, that was what he was set on doing: Rising the world to a new state of awareness via certain psychadelics. I think its a fantastic idea... sadly most people really don't want to be shaken up that much.
Pity that.
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Thanx for that fetish jester. I also agree with you on that last point, people today whilst being far more socially liberated in some respects compared to people in the sixties, still are so reluctant to think outside their own sphere of experience. I can see the point McKenna would make using psychedelics to breakdown people's inability to think and explore their mind's to bring about not only greater awareness but also understanding between people.
Disturdeb_1: i might go and find those 15 year olds, they probably have got more of a clue than you... haha ;) . I think you'll find on a national level (not just where your from) that teens along with everybody else are taking less acid. LSD being an incredibly fragile molecule makes it hard to make (as stated above) but also hard to move and traffic as there are a wide range of things that can damage the acid such as temperature, UV light and the presence of chloride or fluride ions. This coupled with the fact that the active dose is so low, thus as FJ said making it cheap makes acid an unattractive ware for dealers. Thusly when teenagers being a relationship with a DD, they now are much more likely to be buying substances such as ecstacy or speed.... by speed i mean almost exclusively meth as most street "speed" is methylated from the common pseudoeph synth.
 
I think McKenna was more focused on the use of psychedelics not as the exploration of ones mind, though he did also speak very highly of that, but more of the intergration of group use of psychoactive substances as a way of breaking down the barriers that are prevalent within society that prevents "society" becoming "community".
Ancedotally, I've found that group use of psychedelics that are more environmentally or contexually sensitive (i.e not salvia or DMT) does cause the group of people to share a new respect and closeness for each other. Maybe it is because they are bonded via the group exploration of an alien mindset, or maybe the chemicals help them attach on a higher plain, who knows? The results speak for themselves.
So, I don't want psychedelics to come back into fashion, I want the group use, or even the ritual use of these substances to become intergrated into society. More people need to see "God" face to face together.
 
The main reason acid is so much cheaper is because those involved in the upper echelons of its production & distribution BELIEVE in the substance.
They believe that acid has something to offer to the world, while they doubtless profit from its sale, money is not their primary motivation.
 
The main reason acid is so much cheaper is because those involved in the upper echelons of its production & distribution BELIEVE in the substance.
They believe that acid has something to offer to the world, while they doubtless profit from its sale, money is not their primary motivation.
You for real?? Surley that is a little far fetched
The reason its so damn cheap is the amount you need to get high (100-200 mics in an ideal world) compared to E or speed (100mg or so)
That seems a far more realistic interpratation of as to why it is so cost effective.
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If you struggle to believe me then do some reading on the matter, I believe you will find that this is the case.
I am not referring to every small lab churning out cid for local consumption, nor your your dealers dealers dealers dealer who grabs them 10,000 at a time. Rather those involved in massive production and distribution on a world scale.
In your reading you will also discover that authoritites find LSD distribution networks the SINGLE hardest network to uncover. This is why generally most of the worlds acid comes from such a small group of people. There are numerous cases where police have caught individuals in a large scale ring, all of whom simply refused to testify, they took significantly heaviers sentences instead of dropping in those higher in the chain, not out of fear, but because at the end of the day they BELIEVED in what they were doing.
Certainly dosage has something to do with it, but that is far from the full picture.
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Interesting, im not so closed minded i will discount that, infact i have taken it all in, its intruiging
I think its due tot he commmon perception that the drug trade/market what ever you want to call it, is based soley on profit and money. And associated with dishonesty, dirty, nasty people
*me wonders off pondering*
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I think the perception that the drug trade/market is a single pervaisive homogenous evil entity aimed at the destruction of mainstream society, leads to the paradigm you were talking about boom. In fact it's one of the biggest problems with the drug issue, that instead of considering single drug cultures they all get heaped together, that the acid dealer is causing as much harm as the heroin kingpin, that the dope smoker will inevitably end up as a junkie.
 
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