Hopeless Will my body ever return to normal after Heroin\Fentanyl detox?

Good morning, waiting to Hit my 7:30 AM meeting , and wanted to reach out and see how you are doing? Understand you are Not Happy with the way you Feel now, ,but it is the Price of Admission to an Addiction free life on the other side!! We have all done this to ourselves, and are people who have a genetic disposition to addiction (Only my opinion) so we trigger a switch with certain substances that may be illegal and harmful ( most addictive behavior does not work out well, it is a disease of MORE so Never Happy with what we have)
Methadone works very well and is Considered the Gold standard of opiate use disorder drugs. Methadone was started in the Last great opiate epidemic in the 70s, and Govt was tired of spending So much $$ on Locking up drug addicts.
You are so young and will not be a Lifer on it, so stay strong. Have you tried any Gabipentin
I was taking high dose oxycodone for decades, for a back injury and failed surgery, and was up to 180mg a day. For several reasons including the realization it could not continue - I decided to stop. But I wanted to try a "gentle" tapering.

I was not able to do that with oxycodone because I liked it too much. I could not reduce my dose for any length of time. But I was able to do that with methadone. I never "liked" methadone so I did not "always want more" (and since I truly hate opiate withdrawal, it was the best option). This was MY experience with methadone.

So I stocked up on the methadone beforehand and pondered when to begin the tapering. Then an unexpected death in the family made me decide that the next time my oxys ran out, I would not go back to them. I wanted to remember my life better than I was while on oxy's.

I started at what seemed like a reasonable comparable dose of methadone and though I missed the oxy buzz, I was not physically ill. Plus I was grieving anyhow, and perhaps ironically, I wanted to let myelf feel that.

Then I gently lowered the methadone dose by about 5% weekly. When I got to a dose that began to be difficult (happened 2-3 times ) I stayed on the lowered dose for 2 weeks - or until I had adjusted and it wasn't so hard, before again dropping 5%.. I also had 2 back procedures that legit helped my pain.

There were times I used loperamide as well.

The addiction specialist said this gradual tapering over months would be easier on my brain chemistry, b/c as most of us know, the PAWS is why we relapse, not the one week of hellish physical withdrawal. By gradually tapering, the drop in endorphins would be much less dramatic than a sudden cold turkey withdrawal (which I had done before). He felt that my natural endorphins would return faster this way. I think he was right.

That feeling of despair and zero motivation and aches and fatigue and all that, are far easier if you taper gently.

I KNOW you are already off the opiates - and yet you want to be on one. My only suggestion is you choose something that works BUT which you do not "love." I mention that since you said you "love subox" - Soooo, would you be able to give that up? Would you be able to gently taper off of it?

For ME, the "no buzz - but no withdrawal either" drug was methadone. But so much of this is like dieting. Lots of diets work but you have to choose one that will suck less, and therefore work better, for YOU.

**Also I found lyrica surprisingly helpful physically when I felt withdrawal symptoms AND in terms of cravings. Even now, over 2 years later, the cravings popped up during lockdown and I found a few lyrica left, so I took one and it really helped. It was also mildly sedating. I think lyrica (and probably gabapentin) act on some of the same receptors that opiates do, because I'm not the only fan of it for this.

Bottom line, this won't be painless, but it does not have to be hellish. The pain of using IS endless b/c you will end your life at some point. So staying on opiates forever, is not an option - It's literally a dead end.

Normally after a cold turkey withdrawal, they say it takes 90 days for some peace of mind, and up to 6 months before your brain chemistry is reproducing endorphins as it did before.

BUT you can do things to help it return faster!! Taper so your brain adjusts, and add laughter (watch comedies and hang with the funniest people you know), have sex, AND do something that requires utter focus and maybe gives you a rush (for me that was singing in a group and skydiving - seriously).

But you do you. And DO NOT BELIEVE THE LIE that you cannot be happy and funny and loving and lovable without "it".

You can. And it's worth it. Living a life of clarity and intention is intense and that means NOT numb.

And that means FULLY LIVING which is pretty sweet & always authentic. Plus my memory is so much better as are my relationships.


Keep us posted.
 
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How are you doing today? What did you choose to do? How are you feeling?
i am still on my tapper off hydrocodine and the random 15mg ( split blue boy oxy as I call them).
i am taking 300mgs gabipentin 2x a day nowTo help with the taper.
 
not sure why he's saying not to use gabapentin - I sure found lyrica helpful and gabapentin was a close 2nd. Anyway, how are you doing Iceman?
Thank you!! I am clean and sober ❤️🤙🏻
just lost my sister in-law ( closer than my sister ) to lung cancer !!! Horrific and gruesome !!
The 12 steps have saved my life, given me a life, and the support to get through this very hard time! She was only 61
 
Oh Jacob, my heart goes out to you man. You remind me so much of myself. I started shooting heroin at a really young age as well and it feels impossible to get clean when you're that young. I know for me, accepting complete sobriety as the only way forward was incredibly difficult for me when I was 21 and new to recovery. I mean hell, I had only just been able to legally purchase alcohol. 6 years later and I'm a hopeless dope fiend yet again. I'm in the exact same boat as you right now. After a very turbulent few months I am technically homeless but staying on a friend's property far from the city and with no vehicle. This and suboxone has been my saving grace after a very rough relapse.

First of all I want to congratulate you on the 2 weeks of clean time you've already achieved and I applaud your decision to turn your life around. It's not easy by any means, but in my experience, life's a hell of a lot easier when you're off the dope. Things tend to kind of come to you when you stay sober and do the footwork. I've been clean here and there. Most time I've ever had is almost 2 years. I can tell you from experience that you're not going to feel normal again until well after several months of clean time and even then I believe it takes at least a year to really achieve any type of equilibrium. I don't want that to discourage you, because you're on the right path, but it's smart to be realistic about your recovery.

For some people, possibly myself, replacement therapy was the only way out. An indefinite amount of time on methadone or buprenorphine is magnitudes better than a dope habit. If that's not possible for you I would say do your best to taper off the subs and keep doing the next right thing. Trust me, it is possible to be content and maybe even happy from time to time in recovery. I don't really care about weed or psychedelics, but I know for a fact that everything else, including alcohol, will send me right back to square one. So if that's the case for you I highly recommend you learn to accept it, because it will take you down every time. Addiction waits for those opportunities and before you know it you'll have a needle in your arm again.

I'm sure I don't need to tell you that it only gets worse. You haven't been using very long and it will be significantly easier to beat this thing the sooner you tackle it. There are bottoms you've never dreamed of, but you can avoid them. This is a terminal disease that you can choose not to have. So remember, everything passes, and as bad as it gets, it will one day be much better. Everything worth having takes work so don't be surprised when you have to work for sobriety and happiness IN sobriety. You're on the right path though, don't forget that no matter how hard it gets. I know how overwhelming it can be so don't be afraid to ask for help. There's lots of resources out there and you don't have to do it alone. Just realize the change comes from within. Nobody can do it for you. So eyes forward and good luck! You will feel normal again.

Please don't hesitate to PM me if you need to talk.
 
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