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  • BDD Moderators: Keif’ Richards | negrogesic

Will injecting an air bubble kill you?

RedHandedDenial said:
that being said ive injected 10 units of air before and im fine... u will always inject some air and it is fine so dpnt worry about that little 2 units of air in ur rig its fine
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In those 25% of us who have a PFO it takes 2cc of air to cause a heart attack and 5cc of air to cause a stroke. The other 75% will be fine unless they'd inject 100cc in about 1s and cause the heart to lock down directly.

Therefore you are giving very dangerous advice here. Please edit your post accordingly.
 
Ok... u DO realize that 100cc is 100 MILLILITERS... and that 10 UNITS is ONE TENTH of a milliliter, right? U just said 25% would have to inject 2 milliliters.... while 75% would be able to inject 100 ml... im saying its perfectly fine to not worry about the .02 ml air bubble in ur syringe... how about YOU LEARN YOUR WAY AROUND A SYRINGE and STOP BEING RETARDED. thanks..
 
RedHandedDenial said:
Ok... u DO realize that 100cc is 100 MILLILITERS... and that 10 UNITS is ONE TENTH of a milliliter, right? U just said 25% would have to inject 2 milliliters.... while 75% would be able to inject 100 ml... im saying its perfectly fine to not worry about the .02 ml air bubble in ur syringe... how about YOU LEARN YOUR WAY AROUND A SYRINGE and STOP BEING RETARDED. thanks..
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No need for the caps, I understand you perfectly fine without them since I am not "retarded". You better get some godamn manners if you want to post here for a while!

I am sorry to have misread your post!

I am not used to measuring volumes in units, so saying 0.1ml would avoid this confusion. I understand that most IV drug users understand a unit to be 1/10ml, but that is plain wrong. How much mass of pharmacologically active substance is in a unit depends on the substance, how much units are contained per ml depends on the concentration. What you are reading on your syringes are probably international units of insulin for a concentration of 0.347mg/ml or 100IU/ml.


Besides, had you read my earlier posts, you would know that someone with a PFO can get random infarctions all throughout the body due to injecting air. 0.1ml is plenty to cause necrosis, just not enough of it to kill you. Again, this goes for the 25% of us with a patent foramen ovale.

So can you agree that you should still edit your post because injecting ANY amount of air can be extremely unhealthy, unless you know for certain you don't have a shunt between the atria of your heart.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23132089
While this tells you the same thing I just did (I'll gladly give you the full version), it also says "clinically significant air embolism from intravenous infusion is rare" which is
A) only referring to clinical settings and not highly frequent chronic IV drug abuse and
B) referring to "clinically significant" symptoms.
Single small necrotic patches throughout the body will not become apparent immediately. They will negatively affect your health though, especially when there are a lot of these patches. 0.1ml of blood supplies an average of 1.4g tissue and 0.1ml of air reaching the arteries in your systemic circulation would mean 1.4g of dead tissue (equal to 1/1000 of your precious brain tissue's mass). It is unclear how often the air will migrate over from the right to the left atrium, but assume it is too often when you are a habitual IV drug abuser for you not to worry about 0.1ml of air in the syringe.

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.1 ml is TEN units. .01 is ONE unit.. i would worry about 10 and would never advise someone to do it even though i have, but 1 unit? No, it wont do jack shit. Just like someone above said A NURSE told them.. and fyi i use caps because you cant read so im emphasizing the important points..
 
Ive been telling people the wrong thing then!
My impression has always been, a full rig of air or nothing to worry about! Air is oxygen and there is Oxygen in H2O so a small bit (a.k.a few units.) couldn't hurt.
 
RedHandedDenial said:
.1 ml is TEN units. .01 is ONE unit.. i would worry about 10 and would never advise someone to do it even though i have, but 1 unit? No, it wont do jack shit. Just like someone above said A NURSE told them.. and fyi i use caps because you cant read so im emphasizing the important points..
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RedHandedDenial said:
.1 ml is TEN units. .01 is ONE unit.. i would worry about 10 and would never advise someone to do it even though i have, but 1 unit? No, it wont do jack shit. Just like someone above said A NURSE told them.. and fyi i use caps because you cant read so im emphasizing the important points..
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You tell him buddy. You're awesome :p
 
No,it won't kill you.Iused to often leave about 5-10 units of air at the tip oh the shaft so I could see when I registered.I would often get blood in the syronge without bieing in a hitable vein so I did this more often than not for years.You'd have to shoot at least a whole rig full of air really fast to kill you.I speak from experience,not theory.
 
But u can also.not even inject the air, if u have the rig pointed down the air bubble will go up (toward the plunger) and u can inject til u get to it then pull it out... i do that often.. but sometimes if ur having difficulties circumstances just wont allow this and sometimes the only way u can.hit is so the rig is needle up and plunger down but even then ive noticed sometimes the air still wont go in until last, the liquid will move around the bubble and go in and the bubble will just sit around the end of the needle and not go in... idk why this is but im just speaking from years of experience
 
RedHandedDenial said:
Stop trying to act like a condescending little prick when you were wrong. Jesus christ.
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Are you talking to me?

RedHandedDenial said:
But u can also.not even inject the air, if u have the rig pointed down the air bubble will go up (toward the plunger) and u can inject til u get to it then pull it out... i do that often.. but sometimes if ur having difficulties circumstances just wont allow this and sometimes the only way u can.hit is so the rig is needle up and plunger down but even then ive noticed sometimes the air still wont go in until last, the liquid will move around the bubble and go in and the bubble will just sit around the end of the needle and not go in... idk why this is but im just speaking from years of experience
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Very true, but it really depends on how much air we are talking about. The op's question was about an air bubble that actually gets injected.

RedHandedDenial said:
Not.even a complete dumbass would inject 5CCs of air into themself... god most syringes only come 1CC big
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I've never used a 1ml syringe to IV, since I've mostly been injecting ketamine. Of course only a complete dumbass would do that (or someone who is suicidal), but eventhough death is what the op's question was about it isn't the only threat: Like I said even "microbubbles" do their damage when they become a paradoxical air embolism due to a right to left atrial shunt.

RedHandedDenial said:
.1 ml is TEN units. .01 is ONE unit.. i would worry about 10 and would never advise someone to do it even though i have, but 1 unit? No, it wont do jack shit. Just like someone above said A NURSE told them.. and fyi i use caps because you cant read so im emphasizing the important points..
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Pointing out I misread the number would have been sufficient. I even apologized for it. You clearly have some anger issues that deserve attention.
Again, IU is not a measurement of volume. I could write this in caps for better accessibility if you want me to. Even if it was expressing a volume with a fixed concentration of substance, the equivalent mass and molar amounts of two substances to 1IU would still differ.
 
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