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Frac

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I was looking at a pill testing website and noticed there were several pills with both MDA and MDMA in them. Is putting MDA in pills done intentionally to make the pills better or something? What can be added to pills to improve on just MDMA?
 
MDA gives you the get up and go .... that's what happens when noobs take MDMA and say they feel "smacked out" instead of getting off their arses and dancing ;)

Enter MDA, speed and Meth pills ... :p
 
So putting MDA and meth in pills is to make them more speedy....and is done intentionally? Is this done to make them "better" or to make them more cheaply?
 
Frac said:
Is this done to make them "better" or to make them more cheaply?
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Depends on what you think is better. Some people only like MDMA. Others feel that a pure MDMA experience can be exhausting and debilitating (sitting on your ass for hours being floored by the chemical).

I think that a pill with some MDA in it is better than just MDMA alone. My experiences with molly have been not exactly emphathogenic, as I don't even have the energy to talk sometimes.
 
Lots of people prefer MDA because its more speedy but at the same time, there are people who only like MDMA. I think a combo of the two in one pill is the best though, and I dont like meth in my pills. It is normally put in pills because MDA is easier to make and probably cheaper so it cuts down on production costs, therefore raising profits.
 
Yeah that is another reason that MDA is cheaper than MDMA so is cut in with MDMA in pills. Makes more sense in the business venture.
 
im no chemist but im guessing that when synthesising MDMA MDA comes first and it is just not fully synthesized MDMA so there is both in it.

^^^^^^^^^pure guess
 
MDMA and MDA in the same pill make for a much better time than either chemical on its own, in my opinion. Mainly because of the more hallucinogenic qualities of the MDA.
 
WHY DO PPL SAY MDA IS SPEEDY, have you ever done speed? have you ever tried pure MDA? If it was speed why would you be floored, maybe the pills r MDA and cut with speed? cuz whenever I take pure MDA it's absolutely nothing like speed
 
I would think that when you do MDA as compared to just MDMA only some people might say that MDA is speedy B/C MDMA has much more of a "softer" feel to it to most users.

I will refrain from saying smacky or dopey b/c it has lead us to many false urban legends...I also agree that the best pills are those made with MDMA with just a little MDA for the get up and go and glowing visuals.

MDA is also produced before synthesis of MDMA in CONCLUDED so it actually makes sense IMO to do this as you do not have to make another product like meth---which is a whole other process in itself

Which by the way is cheaper and easier to do than MDMA/MDA.

I also do not like meth in pills-----**please follow this its interesting.**

http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/showthread.php?s=&postid=3477361

http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/showthread.php?s=&threadid=221260&r=19
 
MDA is not normally produced as an intermediate before making MDMA. It's possible to do this (Shulgin gives a synth in PIHKAL) but in the real world MDMA and MDA are usually produced using different starting chemicals.

In some MDMA synths it's possible to produce a little MDA as a side product, but generally if an MDMA pill contains a significant amount of MDA, it's because the manufacturer deliberately added it (either because they just thought it was a good combo, or perhaps to save a little money (if the MDA precursor was easier to get.))
 
Why Are Methamphetamine and MDA Included in MDMA Tablets?

The reasons why illicit drug manufacturers include methamphetamine and MDA tablets marketed as ecstasy in the absence of any specific demand are unknown. Methamphetamine might be included to enhance the stimulant effects of the drug cocktail. MDA might be marketed as a replacement for MDMA because of its longer duration of action (2,3) and (possibly) higher potency (32) in order to counter the tolerance which often occurs in MDMA users (see Table 1). Alternatively, MDA might be included because of a perception that synthesis is simpler or that the chemicals needed to synthesize MDA were easier to obtain and were not as subject to scrutiny (by the authorities) as were those for the synthesis of MDMA (J. Hugel, unpublished observations). The synthesis of MDMA and MDA in southern Ontario almost always begins with sassafras oil, which consists of 75 to 90% safrole. Safrole is removed from the oil and then oxidized to 1-(3,4-methylenedioxyphenyl)-2-propanone (MD-P-2-P) by one of a variety of routes (see Fig. 2). The oldest and until recently, the most common route, involves isomerizing the safrole to isosafrole and then oxidizing with formic acid and hydrogen peroxide. A more recent set of methods involve the use of the Wacker oxidation (of safrole) using palladium chloride and one of methyl nitrite, hydroquinone, or oxygen gas. From MD-P-2-P, MDA can be made by reductive amination using sodium cyanoborohydride and ammonium chloride. From MD-P-2-P, MDMA can be synthesized by reductive amination using methylamine and aluminum amalgam. Since the bulk of the effort in these syntheses is obtaining MD-P-2-P, there is no clear distinction (as far as simplicity) between the effort required to produce MDMA or MDA .
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Clipped from this reference:

Use of MDA (the "love drug") and methamphetamine
in Toronto by unsuspecting users of ecstasy (MDMA)

Kalasinsky KS, Hugel J, Kish SJ. Division of Forensic Toxicology,
Office of the Armed Forces Medical Examiner,
Washington, D.C., USA.
J Forensic Sci. 2004 Sep;49(5):1106-12
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Fried Man said:
MDA floors most people...I find it more "smacky" than mdma.
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I couldn't agree more! MDA is what will put you on the couch for the whole night. If you really get just MDMA, then it is the perfect drug. Not smacky at all!

MDMA is made by first producing MDA. Believe me, they're (the manufacturers) are not the least bit concerned about how happy you are with the quality of your pill.......you've already bought them. It's all about the money, nothing more.

If they were so concerned about your buzz in Sometown, USA, then all they would make is MDMA. The reason we get pills that are mixed is for a reduction in production cost, nothing more.

Now, you may just happen to like MDA, or ketamine, or MDE, or DXM or meth or whatever other drug you can think of, but they're not in your pill for just you.

Think about it.
 
I would imagine MDMA manufactures are quite professional, and may even be qualified chemists. Due to MDMA not being an easy drug to make for the backyard druggie, also the quality of pill press's etc.

Would you agree?
 
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