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Stimulants Why is European (street) stimulant market such a lousy one? Do you think it will change in next few years?

Psycho_Logic

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I am aware that saying "Europe" is like saying "North & South America" as there is too much diversity drom state to state. Stimulant market in Benelux+Germany is in a league of its own. Also I understand that Czech market is abundant with methamphetamine.

But if you don't live in country that borders Netherlands (Germany&Belgium), Czech Republic or certain spots in other places and if you do not know people that are working with dealers on a very top of the supply pyramid - only thing that one can get is a decent coke and shitty to below average (below 40% purity) amphetamine sulphate. Again, I am talking about non dark market sources.

I sure wouldn't change the scene to be like US & Canada one. I very much appreciate that so far fent/nitazenes are not a regular thing here as that would ruin everything. But the reasons why labs in Netherlands/Belgium and Germany are not pumping methamphetamine or large quantity of high quality amph sulphate (like the situation was with amph sulphate in 90s) is beyond me.

Maybe for the better, but even thought I am a tweaker in my heart I was never offered crystal meth un my life! Also amph sulphate droped bellow 20% purity long time ago and if one is not in "the rihght" circles that mix is simply not for human consumption. Fuck that!

What happened to that pink amphetamine sulphate that was always 60% or more pure? Why is crystal meth almost completely absent in most of European countries? Do you see that trend being changed or are European, especially Southern and Eastern destined to average/good Cocaine and shitty stimulants?

Any thoughts?
 
Pain_in_vain said:
I am aware that saying "Europe" is like saying "North & South America" as there is too much diversity drom state to state. Stimulant market in Benelux+Germany is in a league of its own. Also I understand that Czech market is abundant with methamphetamine.

But if you don't live in country that borders Netherlands (Germany&Belgium), Czech Republic or certain spots in other places and if you do not know people that are working with dealers on a very top of the supply pyramid - only thing that one can get is a decent coke and shitty to below average (below 40% purity) amphetamine sulphate. Again, I am talking about non dark market sources.

I sure wouldn't change the scene to be like US & Canada one. I very much appreciate that so far fent/nitazenes are not a regular thing here as that would ruin everything. But the reasons why labs in Netherlands/Belgium and Germany are not pumping methamphetamine or large quantity of high quality amph sulphate (like the situation was with amph sulphate in 90s) is beyond me.

Maybe for the better, but even thought I am a tweaker in my heart I was never offered crystal meth un my life! Also amph sulphate droped bellow 20% purity long time ago and if one is not in "the rihght" circles that mix is simply not for human consumption. Fuck that!

What happened to that pink amphetamine sulphate that was always 60% or more pure? Why is crystal meth almost completely absent in most of European countries? Do you see that trend being changed or are European, especially Southern and Eastern destined to average/good Cocaine and shitty stimulants?

Any thoughts?
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Sooooo I am not the only one who remembers Pinky One that was a blast back then in the period 2000-2005.

For the rest, I agree with what you saying that if you don't have ppl near that are connected with good stuff it's hard to get something good.
Even if you have vicinity of friends that can help you or connect you with someone that has good shit sometimes even in that case there is no proof that stuff is good. Meth fuck that shit...
Even DM with you protect yourself there is a tricky situation as I heard numerous stories ppl getting either screwed or don't received what they order and paid.
 
That pink color is due to type of synthesis used for creating amph sulphate. If the chemist wanted to create "95% plus pure" that ~80% should be washed numerous times and would lose hefty amount of amph speed base (1kg closed bag has at least 10% of liquid along with very moist paste) - so they leave it alone. Colour is not absolute indicator of amphs purity as one can add colour for cooking to deceive a naive customer. But on the other hand that stuff would give you a powerful energetic feeling for 2 hours after snorting and at the same time those unwanted effects wouldn't show up if therecis not an OD in question. And the most beautiful part for my adhd brain would be a very calm and mellow but at the same time "I am fine with doing whatever" feeling. I can get a plug but I'm out from that circle of people due to my choices when I have unlimited access to amphs and coke...
 
I remember the amazing pink speed in the uk, mid/late 1980, fantastic

I don't really use stims anymore (same reason as OP sounds like, also age gets in the way just a tad, errrrr, a lot), but had to laugh reading OP's "only thing that one can get is a decent coke and shitty to below average (below 40% purity) amphetamine sulphate"

I'd change that 'below 40%' to below 20% if referring to uk

If someone happened on 38% pure amphetamine in the uk, well, that would be a very rare experience and a geat day for them. I remember a broad study maybe 5 years ago or so where the estimate for average amphetamiune purity in the uk was something like 12%. UK is well known for it's shit speed.

You can get good coke if you know someone though for sure, although again ime the vast majority of uk coke users have little clue regarding their doc and if they received cocaine without an active cut they would deem it 'weak' - have seen it many times in person. Literally seeen people shun a tested 80+% pure batch uncut for bags of fuck-knows-what-it-is.
 
ageingpartyfiend said:
but had to laugh reading OP's "only thing that one can get is a decent coke and shitty to below average (below 40% purity) amphetamine sulphate"
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Well, old connection allows some people to get decent stuff that was not totally cut. But even if I had 40% amp sulphate I would not take it. Nowdays my use of stimulants is purely for medicinal purposes and washing street stuff is not something I would do.

Besides I have said that...
Pain_in_vain said:
Also amph sulphate droped bellow 20% purity long time ago and if one is not in "the rihght" circles that mix is simply not for human consumption. Fuck that!
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...so I understand that the "regular street amphetamine" in many contains 0% true amphetamine. 5-15% is the norm But If I drove to Berlin it would be a different situation. But even less than 10 years ago I was still around my childhood buddies that had 1kg bag of pink paste with some "watter" on it. It was sourced from Benelux area and was straight from the lab, just not washed properly (as the people that synthesised it knew that first thing that will happen when the bag is opened will be mixing it with some powder for getting (still very pure) paste with bigger volume. But when you get the (still wet) paste part from a bag that has been opened from the first time it is worth the crash. Nowdays if I was again in the same situation I would bring some inert powder, mix it 50/50 and fill the cspsule with ~12mg to get amphetamine sulphate 10mg capsules. It was(is) consistently ~80% (+- 2%) when the bag is straight from the lab. It would be a great thing to have as here only stimulant used for ADHD is slow/control release methylphenidate which doesnt suit me that much
 
@Psycho_Logic ahh yes mate I was unclear, I'm fully aware that the older crew with solid longterm cennects can get pretty much anything at a decent purity - I see it as a survivor's perk ;) . It's occasionally an unwanted perk though, as in my case trying (and succeeding for the most part) to avoid stimulant use in the full knowledge I could have excellent quality whatever in my hand in a week or so can make shit more difficult to handle. I'm not around dealers ever really thesedays though and my friends and fam who sometimes are well, they know my situation and help me to steer clear

Am wondering about your aversion to ritalin for adhd. I have found it can be a great med for focus and a have heard firsthand that of lot of people who would find other stims unbearably compulsive can take ritalin in small functional doses without diving in at the deep end and ruining everything. Everyone is different though I know
 
As a rule i don't take traditional stims, but a new job has me reading tech drawings and exploded diagrams which i am used to but not yet familiar with the companies products, i've tried modalert with a bad rash the result, i've looked into methylphenidate which i would give a go but it does'nt seem to be that available in the uk at street level at least.
I would never again dabble with uk speed, awful stuff from memory.
 
ageingpartyfiend said:
Am wondering about your aversion to ritalin for adhd.
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It simply doesn't suit me. I take slow release for few months cause it helps to counteract morphine that's prescribed to me for numerous painful conditions but I find it either to weak (weaker than coffee) or, with higher doses, negative effects outweigh the positive ones. I am not saying it is bad stimulant but it is not a great one for my body and needs.
 
Well cant speak for EU but dl-Amphetamine was top here back when.

Meth, that used to be available till the 70-ties, never caught on again.
Ok besides the gay/ DM scene. But no Dutch will prefer Methyl-Amphetamine over Amphetamine .
Believe me they tried, maybe it left such a bad impression its simply denied.
 
40% is if you count taking 5gr. from dealer is 2000mg of amphetamine sulfate /60mg let's say you take two daily od 30mg is 33 doses or 33 days, there is 5-10% or sometimes it is higher but mostly should be like you said very good rationale but unfortunately I couldn't find it well not talking about when I had some Split guy who had very good shit and pink was later as yellow just half a kilo in pink bag :-)
 
Purity of street dl-Amphetamine-Sulphate was att around 70 %. Not the max 84 % with 16 % being Sulphate.
84 % would be pure regarding the Suphate form.

At least that is what seems to be what your post means @DmantuNJofra ,
40% and 5000 mg is only 2000 mg Amphetamine sulphate
[is your user name based on Johfra the painter ?] like his stuff, RIP nice guy.

Lets say 1000mg was a lot if not a daily user, could last weeks/ months.
Or when dosed low as study aid to. And absurd cheap bout the cheapest avaiablle drug.
The Dutch produce not a lot but inmense ammounts of Speed, don t ask me why.
Aint that special.

edit: 2000mg in 5000. Minus the suphate 36 % thats dilutated stufff and/ or a real bad synth.
Depending if you tested it or base on guessing the strenght.
sounds like the UK people on the paste. Never even saw Amphetamine as a paste.
Wonder how that comes ? But they always complain bout the low quality, acetone washes.
Do they just mix Amphetamine base, a oil, with an absorber ? Is that even possible.

While Speed afaik a white powder, hardly hygroscopic.
And unlike Coke when not overdone forgiving for the nose.
 
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Not into stimulants myself but in Sweden recently there has been a very large rise in 3-CMC use. I have tried it myself and did not enjoy it at all. It seems it is becoming quite popular here as a substitute for both Amphetamine and MDMA. I've only really seen those three stimulants and also Cocaine here and one time 4-MMC. Swedes love their Tjack (Amphetamine) and it is ridiculously cheap here, and pretty mid quality. The pill market is what is good here.
I have heard from friends who like Uppers that the Speed prices used to be way lower and stuff used to be way better but has taken a turn now.
 
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