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Why is addiction so discriminated against by society?

I'd say most London based smokers do every day when they ask the newsagent for the "cheap" cigarettes that come under the counter at half price.
 
The black market is massive in the UK for tobacco! If you didn't know this you're rather naïve and I find that hard to believe. :\
 
We have an even bigger black market for chop chop believe me, but that is for people who already smoke. There is no recreational value to starting smoking cigarettes other than a bit of a head spin and the attempt to look cool. The pleasure of tobacco is only once you are hooked and the relief from withdrawal.

If tobacco was just another drug on the long list of illicit drugs it would hold no appeal
 
Well, the reason I started smoking was because it enhanced my high when I'd smoked weed. Where I come from we only smoked weed, lovely green and nothing more. Nothing like over here where much of it is mixed with tobacco.

No, it did not make me seem cool. You're right, the pleasure of tobacco is not only the relief of withdrawal but many other psychological aspects of dependency of that particular product.
 
One Thousand Words said:
We have an even bigger black market for chop chop believe me, but that is for people who already smoke. There is no recreational value to starting smoking cigarettes other than a bit of a head spin and the attempt to look cool. The pleasure of tobacco is only once you are hooked and the relief from withdrawal.

If tobacco was just another drug on the long list of illicit drugs it would hold no appeal
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Not sure what argument you're making. For sure, most who buy illegal tobacco are already smokers. But lots aren't. It's easier to buy off the street on Holloway Road for a 15 year old than it is in a shop.

And..'relief from withdrawal'? As an ex-smoker of two years I literally have no idea what this sentence means. I just stopped. Relief never came into it.

And as for if it were just another drug on our long list of illicit* drugs nobody would touch it....try having a look at an RC vendors sales list. Everything gets touched, purely because it is illicit. Mexedrone anyone.....?

*Illicit doesn't have to mean unlawful, merely forbidden or frowned upon.
 
I wouldn't know, the last "research chemical" I actually enjoyed was 2B-C. Anything after that was just a poor bastardisation of something way better.

It is laziness and lack of social skills that keep a lot vendors in business.
 
Shambles said:
... Or an oz of baccy. Or a bottle of whisky. Or an SSRI script. Etc, etc.

This is an interesting question actually. I would say that some small fraction of those people would actually go on to indulge in 'addict' behaviours. I suspect most would not but that a thriving black market would spring up selling at a price the relevant market was willing to pay. Anybody indulging in that market would be a criminal by definition and - according to some - be morally deficient. Wonder how many would be capable of understanding that in the absence of it happening though...?
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I'd say quite a large segment of general public look down upon drinkers and smokers. Obviously not in the same way as more hardcore stuff like smack and heroin... but addict-shunning is certainly not limited to illegal users.


If I buy some ciggiez (very rarely), some shop keepers look at you as if to say "What are you buying these for, are you stupid?"... and I can't blame them, it is an absolute vile habit... I deserve every inch of disdain received.
 
A big problem i've found is that it's a section of addicts (talking heroin now) that give others a bad name, with my dealer i'm often given preference over other of their customers due to the fact that A) I'm always polite B) I only ever call when I have money and don't ask for credit and C) Don't spam them with calls/try to haggle them down when it get's down to brass tacks.. my dealer collectively refers to these types as the "dossers", the people who rob, mug and beg to scrape together enough change to buy a bag. I was pretty sympathetic to these people in question until recently when I heard one of them (who I'd met a few times and thought was a decent guy)went into a care home and physically threatened an old woman, hitting her in the face and threating to rape her (who I know personally and is a lovely old girl with a habit) with a knife before stealing all their gaba's and tramadol and forcing them to buy them back. It's the unnecessary agro that leads to the stigma.
 
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