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Why haven't thye made EZ tests for pips yet?

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Pips are perhaps the most dangerous common threat in the pill world these days. Getting stung with pips sucks ass and has been one of the worst experiences I have ever felt.

Why hasn't anybody come out with a pips test yet? Is it difficult or what?
 
I think the reason is, with people who do test if it's not MDMA they wont consume it, so it isn't necessary.
 
^Can I ask what adulterant do you think they would add to a piperazine pill that would make it 'unsafe'?

IF the pip pressers would use less of the active ingredient then the pills wouldnt have such a negative effect on people (sickness etc).

I honestly think that IF they made a kit that would test for piperazines they would sell thousands of them - its the biggest adulterant going. By test I mean that if you put a drop of x solution on a sample and it turns a certain colour then its a pipe - not the, well if it doesnt react to marquis but turns simons a x colour then it 'could' be a pipe.
 
If I remember correctly, phase_dancer said it would be damn near impossible to have a reagent that only tested for piperazines because there are so many different types of piperazines (BZP, mCPP, TFMPP, ect).

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It all comes down to the properties of the compounds produced. A substance might very well react, even in a similar way to analogous compounds. The resulting compound might absorb a broad spectrum of visible light but emit little to none in the visible spectrum, thereby appearing colourless. PMA with Marquis is a classic example. It is likely to react in a similar way to MDMA, amphetamine etc, but the product is colourless. Some compounds will emit in the UV spectrum, and the process is often used in thin layer chromatography used in conjunction with reagents.
 
phase_dancer said:
It all comes down to the properties of the compounds produced. A substance might very well react, even in a similar way to analogous compounds. The resulting compound might absorb a broad spectrum of visible light but emit little to none in the visible spectrum, thereby appearing colourless. PMA with Marquis is a classic example. It is likely to react in a similar way to MDMA, amphetamine etc, but the product is colourless. Some compounds will emit in the UV spectrum, and the process is often used in thin layer chromatography used in conjunction with reagents.
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Ahh, maybe with a special light, we may be able to see piperazine reactions? Interesting, so instead of a new reagent, maybe we need a special kind of light, like a black light or UV, or infrared maybe? Thanks for the input, p_d!
 
SpecialK_ said:
Not everyone wishes to though, a lot of people find that BZP carries some very negative effects especially compared to MDMA.
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I haven't had any problems with piperazines, but I wouldn't take a pill with something like PMA.
 
Any reagent that would produce a reaction with "any tertiary amine" would seem to be the best way to catch all pipes... but I can't think of any effective reagents, and my cursory googling turned up lots of people lamenting the lack of a positive test for tertiary amines.
 
Wouldnt the Hinsberg test show if you have a tertiary amines -the problem is its not a simple one bottle solution like marquis etc
 
You guys amaze me with your knowledge of chemistry. I'm a bit jealous.

I think I'll start teaching myself organic chemistry... :)
 
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