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Why does everyone always find God?

drgreenthumb00

drgreenthumb00

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I don't understand this? I know when people walk and have a dance off with death or become a substance abuser and are rock bottom, they usually always find "God".

This could be true about those people who were never even religous to begin with. I'm catholic and that's how I was brought up. After my confirmation I decided to give up on church and God. It was a personal choice. Then the whole church/child abuse scandal broke out..

So ya I was abused when I was an alter boy. I was also abused by an old neighbor who was eventually convicted of sexual child abuse on little kids. It's a deamon that I fight with all the time but my personal experiences is a whole different discussion.

I have hit rock bottom before, I've Overdosed 3 times and was revived. I never had a calling with God and felt the need to become Spiritual. I was raised as a Catholic, I have my beliefs in my heart, and that's all I need. I don't need to be preached or go preaching about religion and God and faith.

I just don't understand how people get so spiritual and start becoming all God like when they take drugs. Is it the regret and remorse in the person when they take drugs and they are trying to say sorry to God??

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I've always been taught not to discuss race, religion, and politics. Especially in a work/school environment
 
You need to realize your abusers were themselves twisted by some past abuses they suffered, which gave them the screwed up inclination to abuse you. They were once scared little children being abused by nasty adults. THEY WERE ONCE YOU.

Drugs can help people shift their perspective, see we are all the same, "there but for the grace of God go I."

Near death experiences similarl cause people to re-focus on priorities, gives them a perspective shift.

It's kind of like you are going through a tunnel in life and these things give you occasional windows to look out and say, "I see the Sun! It does exist" Then the window disappears (or you move along past it on with your journey) and you no longer see it. Do you start to doubt that it exists? Or do you realize that THAT is why you are warm enough in this tunnel, and so you let your warmth reassure that it was real until the next time a window appears.

~psychoblast~
 
In my very personal opinion, God and other deity's in these circumstances(when a person is at their lowest and possibly has nothing else to grab to)are usually just things to hold onto rather than ultra true or pure faith. They can provide what feelings or inspiration chemicals or people did or did not provide for them. Who knows if some even really believe it or their mind fogs things over for the time being.....(theres a million different circumstances for everything though so.....)
 
drgreenthumb00 said:
I don't understand this? I know when people walk and have a dance off with death or become a substance abuser and are rock bottom, they usually always find "God".

This could be true about those people who were never even religous to begin with. I'm catholic and that's how I was brought up. After my confirmation I decided to give up on church and God. It was a personal choice. Then the whole church/child abuse scandal broke out..

So ya I was abused when I was an alter boy. I was also abused by an old neighbor who was eventually convicted of sexual child abuse on little kids. It's a deamon that I fight with all the time but my personal experiences is a whole different discussion.

I have hit rock bottom before, I've Overdosed 3 times and was revived. I never had a calling with God and felt the need to become Spiritual. I was raised as a Catholic, I have my beliefs in my heart, and that's all I need. I don't need to be preached or go preaching about religion and God and faith.

I just don't understand how people get so spiritual and start becoming all God like when they take drugs. Is it the regret and remorse in the person when they take drugs and they are trying to say sorry to God??

:\:\:\:\:\


I've always been taught not to discuss race, religion, and politics. Especially in a work/school environment
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What you feel and experience is not what your brother, friend or a stranger experiences. Religion is when you take your experiences and put a higher being reasoning to them. All religion is is what you think about your experiences. If you don't see God, that's cool. If you do, that's cool too.
 
I found my bottom, or damn near close, and the only person that was down there was... ME! fuck holy shit right?... not god?.. wow..
 
Its because we want there to be a god and when you're at rock bottom you want there to be a god at that point more than ever. Perhaps when people are at rock bottom they are in a submissive state. I've found that when you submit to something, that something tends to present itself to you.
 
Why does everyone always find God?

when people feel powerless, yet they still manage to overcome their problems, it feels like the will to live came from somewhere else.

we experience a very tiny part of our mind. if we have a few thoughts in the part of our mind we can feel... we probably have trillions in the rest of the biological computer we call our brain, and all of these influence our actions, and our internal environment. we're often unaware of it.

so it's entirely reasonable that somebody would feel as if they changed something about themselves, worked through some anxiety, or whatever, and they feel as if somebody else did it.

the truth, though, is that we are all what we are trying to call "god."
 
My dad was diagnosed with lymphoma 7 months ago, hes 59, he's given up on treatment because it sent him into a phycosis, while in his phycosis he said he can see god. He's now over the phycosis and has not long to live, he doesn't see god anymore.
 
God gave me something that was beyond the physical world to focus on, something not affected by the trials and tribulations we face here.

As Jesus said, lay up your treasures not on earth where moth and dust corrupt but in heaven where dust and moth do not corrupt. Through the realization that rthere is more to life seeking pleasure on earth, it made it easierr to let go fo some of the pleasures we have here (like drugs) in favor of activities which would benefit my soul and the souls of other people.

Without any God, then experiencing pleasure on earth would be the highest good. While this certainly does not mean we should not help others, it does encourage selfishness in a way because a person might ask "why give away my comforts so my neighbor can be comfortable? Why is he any more deserving of them then I?" Whereas, if the gospel is true then you only stand to gain by what you give up for the sake of others, thus establishing an intensive to cultivate a mindset of selfless love and giving, thus becoming "God-like".

I don't know if I am doing a good job explaining but the main point is that God is there regardless of one's situation on earth, so it takes the pressure off you to accomplish this or that specific worldly goal and instead focus on serving God and doing his will. When you do God's will, you need not worry about whether things turn out in your favor or against your favor, and that is incredibly liberating. It's the only way to experience true freedom. Otherwise, your happiness will always be bound by material circumstances, which are bound to go wrong at some point for every person. It's like how Buddha identified "sickness, birth, aging and death" as befalling everyone eventually. If you haven't conquered those things, through transcendent knowledge, you are bound to suffer.
 
qwe said:
Why does everyone always find God?

when people feel powerless, yet they still manage to overcome their problems, it feels like the will to live came from somewhere else.

we experience a very tiny part of our mind. if we have a few thoughts in the part of our mind we can feel... we probably have trillions in the rest of the biological computer we call our brain, and all of these influence our actions, and our internal environment. we're often unaware of it.

so it's entirely reasonable that somebody would feel as if they changed something about themselves, worked through some anxiety, or whatever, and they feel as if somebody else did it.

the truth, though, is that we are all what we are trying to call "god."
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I would say that isn't the "truth" and rather it's just one way of phrasing things. I am a non dualist, so it is techinically correct to say we are God, however if by "we" we are referring to our ego and limited sense of identity then it is also perfectly correct to say we are not God and identify God as helping us.
 
atara said:
Maybe better rephrased as "why does everyone always refer to what they find as 'God'?".
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Because what is felt at that particular moment in time (ie "finding" God) is so overwhelmingly amazing, it's a realization that there is something out there that exists much bigger and far more powerful than just us. It's such an overpowering sensation, and possibly we feel it just as we are praying for help, so we say we have found God and we truly believe it. :) yes, it has happened for me. I wanted to kill someone about 12 years ago ;) I wouldn't of course but I was so so angry this person had caused so much pain for my family that I was truly a tortured soul. I cried day and night, pictured my hands around her neck, my insides were being torn apart by my own anger. Anyhoo, this final day I was bawling as usual, at work, my guts were twisted, I wanted to vomit, I was doing this to myself and I couldn't stop it. HATE, I hated the bitch SO much but it was only hurting me, and it had gone on for 3 months now. Without thinking, I started praying. Only one prayer. All I said, or pleaded to be more exact, was "God please help me I can't take this anymore" it came from deep within my heart. I immediately felt this sensation of forgiveness and realized this is what I had to do, mainly for my own wellbeing. I forgave her instantly. I rang the family as it had caused great upheaval and told them it was over, I forgave her. No more hate. I couldn't stop smiling the rest of the day. No more tears. I was laughing :D

So I say I found God that day, or he found me :) I still talk to him often. I'm a lot wiser for that experience but don't want another like it thank you very much ;)
 
n@nn@ said:
Because what is felt at that particular moment in time (ie "finding" God) is so overwhelmingly amazing, it's a realization that there is something out there that exists much bigger and far more powerful than just us.

It's such an overpowering sensation, and possibly we feel it just as we are praying for help, so we say we have found God and we truly believe it.
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I feel that there are many "things" in this universe that are far greater than us. I don't think this question has much to do with an abrahamic "god" at all. By all means, the abrahamic god may indeed manifest in your mind (and obviously in the mind's of many others) and for this reason I wouldn't suggest that it isn't a reality, but I have to stress that it is A reality, and not the ONLY one.

I'd much prefer to explain this as an encounter with the sublime, which will manifest in different ways depending on the person experiencing it.

So I say I found God that day, or he found me :) I still talk to him often. I'm a lot wiser for that experience but don't want another like it thank you very much ;)
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Do you honestly believe that god is a "he"? I find the notion incredibly simplistic. It seems obvious to me that the abrahamic god is made in man's image, i.e. invented by man, not the other way around. If "god" made man in "his" image, we're all suffering at the hands of a very unimaginative creator.

[I'm not picking here. I'm just genuinely interested]

atara said:
Maybe better rephrased as "why does everyone always refer to what they find as 'God'?".
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This is a much more interesting question :D
 
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drgreenthumb00 said:
I don't understand this? I know when people walk and have a dance off with death or become a substance abuser and are rock bottom, they usually always find "God".

I just don't understand how people get so spiritual and start becoming all God like when they take drugs. Is it the regret and remorse in the person when they take drugs and they are trying to say sorry to God??

:\:\:\:\:\


I've always been taught not to discuss race, religion, and politics.
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Maybe it could have something to do with a lighter sentence/fine or parole board?!
 
Do you honestly believe that god is a "he"? I find the notion incredibly simplistic. It seems obvious to me that the abrahamic god is made in man's image, i.e. invented by man, not the other way around. If "god" made man in "his" image, we're all suffering at the hands of a very unimaginative creator.
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Nah, I don't actually :) I believe God is actually more like an energy. I just prefer to say "he" but I don't talk about God much, it's a personal thing, you do believe, you don't believe, to each his own :)
 
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