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Why do you guys do it? I am curious..

Temperate Citizens said:
Interesting that you admit that the illegality (and consequent difficulty in acquisition) of many drugs puts you off. From reading this forum, you'd believe that illegality automatically increases supply, demand and distribution. This is demostably not the case.
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please, do demonstrate your evidence for this post.
 
Look at the example of mephedrone, for one. Methoxetamine for another. Possibly the two most popular RCs of the boom years, and users of this very site complain about the lack of availability post-ban. Applying the old argument about 'prohibition', you would have expected there to be a boom in street dealing, whereas there simply isn't.
 
you are wrong, mephedrone is everywhere and the ban did nothing to change it. People liked it and it has remained a drug of abuse since it exploded on the market in 2009.
 
Temperate Citizens said:
Look at the example of mephedrone, for one. Methoxetamine for another. Possibly the two most popular RCs of the boom years, and users of this very site complain about the lack of availability post-ban. Applying the old argument about 'prohibition', you would have expected there to be a boom in street dealing, whereas there simply isn't.
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Methoxetamine was not nearly as popular, or as prevalent, as mephedrone. Methoxetamine continued to be supplied to those interested via vendors in mainland Europe, until it became illegal. Methoxetamine does not have the same purely hedonistic mass appeal as mephedrone. I assume that you are in favour of temperance, and don't know how much experience you have on a regular basis of being around dealers/users but there is still a big market for mephedrone (at least what is being sold as mephedrone).

The evidence of the Irish blanket ban seems to suggest that drug use has gone up. That may not be street dealing but it is certainly black market.
 
Temperate Citizens said:
If mephedrone truly is 'everywhere', why such hankering after 'pre ban'? Why the complaints about the quality - and even the composition of - what is out there?
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This is what prohibition causes, my friend. It is not a magic bullet that takes away peoples' desire to take psychoactive substances, it affects the quality and purity of a drug (if you're even getting the drug you believe you're paying for). It also drives the market into a much murkier area, which, along with constant coups by the USA, has been destroying Latin America for decades.
 
Because when it was legal, it was available at extremely high purity from websites domestically in the UK for anyone with a debit card.

When it was banned, it fell into the hands of the black market, which naturally results in people adulterating it, cutting it with diluents, thus a drop in quality and increase in uncertainty about the exact identification of what that white powder is the kids are buying.
 
I understand the adulteration having been carried out by the street dealers, and I accept that as a side-effect of prohibition, though there's lots of evidence that the 'legit' vendors also adulterate their product. The market, however, would be either non-existent, or tiny by comparison, had mephedrone never been available legally, or rather quasi-legally. Liberal drug laws created a vastly-expanded market for what was essentially cheap speed. Which is a 'niche' product mainly consumed by the underclass.
 
which approach would that be? just for your information, I don't drink, I don't smoke, I don't gamble, I don't supply drugs to anyone, I don't drive under the influence of drugs, I am a mental health educator and medical student. So please don't break my legs today.
 
Care to enlighten us as to what the best approach to dealing with these problems is?

What Ceres said didn't wash with you. However, you didn't even try the new brand of soap be provided with his words; a publication by academics and doctors who have spent their lives researching the very subject.
 
Can this education about the personal and social impact of drugs not go hand-in-hand with not locking people up as they're being educated. Solidarity has a nice euphemistic feel to it. It's a nice word thrown about by vigilantes wearing ear protectors.
 
Who said anything about locking people up? The anti-drugs education would accompany raised class awareness, allowing communities to break the yoke of self-abuse. This includes alcohol abuse just as it does illegal drugs, although the latter must be recognised as a more pervasive and immediate threat due to gang involvement.
 
A question, Mr Citizen, does selling benzo's over internet forums mark one as in need of the same ground level punishment?
You might wanna get a head start on the self-flagellation in that case... ;)
 
Really the ultimate question is, what are the social and economic factors that lead people to using drugs? Addressing these issues is something no politician has the ethical cohones to tackle, which is a tragedy.
 
Any holistic drug education - especially with a view to the way in which drugs are used to oppress the working classes - is by definition anti drugs. Of course, the education would not be based on heavy-handed moralistic approaches, but on a rational analysis of the available evidence.
 
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