Symmetrical Daze
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Does it raise hormone levels? I looked this up, i cant find any specific info. I am really looking for info on GBL. I take it 3-4 times a week at night, for sleep and fun.
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Why do bodybuilders seek out GHB, GBL?
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Roll munchEr
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Body Builders use it to sleep. I lets a person achieve a very deep sleep, creating a much better anabolic state!! When you sleep, you grow!! MiKE
Graph-X
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It does not raise hormone levels.... Well, I guess it does because it IS a hormone. GBL metabolizes into GHB in the body. Both are schedule I and very hard to find, unless you're in good with people who "want to pump.. YOU up!". Well, untill about a year or two ago you could find gbl online and in your local nutrition store, but not anymore. IMHO good ridance. Never did much for me. Not to mention all the sick fucks who used it to take advantage of women.
Take about two grams and go lift weights. You'll see. 
A friend of mine used to regularly take a few grams and go to the gym. (Well.. go to the gym and THEN take a few grams ) Apparently the affects help you lift more, and muster more strength to do the lifting and what not. Also, I believe it helps build muscle mass, but the mechanism I am not sure of, so don't quote me on that.
Also, I know its not my place, but may I suggest reducing your usage, for health reasons. My brother had a severe GHB/Butandiol probably for about two years... not good times.
Be safe.
shiiid00000
A friend of mine used to regularly take a few grams and go to the gym. (Well.. go to the gym and THEN take a few grams
) Apparently the affects help you lift more, and muster more strength to do the lifting and what not. Also, I believe it helps build muscle mass, but the mechanism I am not sure of, so don't quote me on that.Also, I know its not my place, but may I suggest reducing your usage, for health reasons. My brother had a severe GHB/Butandiol probably for about two years... not good times.
Be safe.
shiiid00000
Brian-sublimaze
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no, GHB has been proven to increase growth hormone levels by up to 17 times, but the cortisol pretty much cancels all that out. That is why they first started using ghb but in the process learned that it had an abuse potential also, and the rest is history
Symmetrical Daze
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im about out of it anyways.
i dont know how u could use the shit to take advantage of women (not that i would, ppl like that need shot)... the stuff tastes terrible, i mean when dissolved in lots of liquid, worse than salty pissy ghb.
i dont know how u could use the shit to take advantage of women (not that i would, ppl like that need shot)... the stuff tastes terrible, i mean when dissolved in lots of liquid, worse than salty pissy ghb.
The prolactines indeed cancel out much of the raised GH levels, however if you can combine it with bromocriptine, wich will neutralie the prolactines (normally used to fight breast cancer in females).
But REALLY most bodybuilders just use it to get a decent high which doesn't hurt your testosterone/strength levels as much as binging on alcohol / mdma / speed.
But REALLY most bodybuilders just use it to get a decent high which doesn't hurt your testosterone/strength levels as much as binging on alcohol / mdma / speed.
Partykid12
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yes, that GHB / GBL daterape potential is HIGHLY overhyped overestimated, mostly a lot of hot air generated by anti-drug czars....
GHB tastes like old mans ball sweat and GBL like nailpolish remover, now try to slip that in some girls drink without her knowing.....
The girl would have to be drunk already so that you need less of the stuff for desired effect and maybe if you used a mixture of ghb/gbl so that the drink tastes not obviously salt nor acidic...
The most popular date rape drug is still alcohol. Besides I know many girls that take GHB by themselves to have a goodf time. Also in 80 percent of the date rape cases the victim knows the rapist. Typically if it happens, it is that the girl took too much alcohol or ghb by herself and the guy just taking advantage of the girl making a stupid mistake...
GHB tastes like old mans ball sweat and GBL like nailpolish remover, now try to slip that in some girls drink without her knowing.....
The girl would have to be drunk already so that you need less of the stuff for desired effect and maybe if you used a mixture of ghb/gbl so that the drink tastes not obviously salt nor acidic...
The most popular date rape drug is still alcohol. Besides I know many girls that take GHB by themselves to have a goodf time. Also in 80 percent of the date rape cases the victim knows the rapist. Typically if it happens, it is that the girl took too much alcohol or ghb by herself and the guy just taking advantage of the girl making a stupid mistake...
Gaz_hmmmm
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Originally posted by Partykid12:
Alcohol is a bigger problem in date raping girls IMO...
That is actually true.
About GH and cortisol being raised, I think I read a report on www.lycaeum.org saying that even though both are raised GH levels are still higher so you do get some benefit.
according to CERI research http://www.ceri.com/ghbpage.shtml
CuriousCub
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14B, GBL...all convert into GHB. Why don't they all share the same legal status then?
And GHB is a growth hormone? if that's so, why has it never been used to treat dwarfism like the standard human growth hormone (which is only available through prescription and has to be IVed)? or why isn't it on par with the amino acid growth hormone (which is avail in liquid or pill form at select stores)?
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And GHB is a growth hormone? if that's so, why has it never been used to treat dwarfism like the standard human growth hormone (which is only available through prescription and has to be IVed)? or why isn't it on par with the amino acid growth hormone (which is avail in liquid or pill form at select stores)?
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synchrojet
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GHB is NOT a hormone. It is a simple carbohydrate. GBL simply metabolizes into GHB, which metabolizes into CO2 and water.
GHB will increase growth hormone during deep sleep.
GBL is slightly hygoscopic, and it is this that creates a more 'ripped' look on users already lean.
It is not addictive in and of itself. I have been involved in some research recently about this.
What actually happens is a suppression of dopamine and other neurotransmitters...while at the same time stimulating the production of dopamine. If one doses continually, whithout letting the dopamine levels return to complete normalcy, one will experience a dopamine flood upon cessation.
This closely resembles certain 'withdrawal' symptoms, but it is not technically the same thing.
Moreover, GBL will cause acidosis. The combination of metabolic acidosis and dopamine flooding will exactly mimic classic withdrawal symptoms. Combine this with nurses telling kids that they are experiencing withdrawals, and PRESTO, you get what we have now...myths and confusion.
The acidosis problem can be solved by keeping doses to a minimum (less than 10ml/day) and incorporating an alkali forming food into the diet. Green Kamut works especially well. One serving per 3ml consumed will replace alkalinity and potassium.
The other issue of dopamine suppression/buildup can be avoided if one either avoids dosing in the day (dosing only at night), or if one is certain to wait the full six hours between every dose if one chooses to dose constantly. Even incorporating a full waiting period requires periodic breaks. Ward's solution of one day off per week, one week off per month, and one month off per year seems to do the trick for many of my colleagues (I no longer use--I ran out).
Threshold dose should not increase. The body does NOT form a clinical tolerance for GHB, but the threshold dose (where certain effects are felt) can increase due to the rearrangement of neurotransmitter balances. If a user feels the threshold dose increaing, he or she should discontinue use for two to three weeks, and incorporate an alkaline diet until pH is SLIGHTLY alkaline.
GBL and GHB, contrary to popular medical belief, is not stressful to the liver. I have two years of blood tests to prove this, as do many of my friends who still use. Vasodilation of the kidneys does occur. Normal kidneys should not be stressed by either compound, although they can induce more frequent urination due to both the dilation effects as well as the hygroscopic factor. Drink plenty of water, but overdoing the water is not necessary.
Foods for GBL users should include lemons and wheatgrass. Green Kamut is where most of us get our wheatgrass from because it is easy and tastes a bit better. Two lemons a day will work wonders for those who are feeling that GBL lethargy. It is most always from metabolic acidosis. If your extremeties are starting to feel colder, this is a good indicator that you are too acidic.
Hope this clears up a few myths.
GHB will increase growth hormone during deep sleep.
GBL is slightly hygoscopic, and it is this that creates a more 'ripped' look on users already lean.
It is not addictive in and of itself. I have been involved in some research recently about this.
What actually happens is a suppression of dopamine and other neurotransmitters...while at the same time stimulating the production of dopamine. If one doses continually, whithout letting the dopamine levels return to complete normalcy, one will experience a dopamine flood upon cessation.
This closely resembles certain 'withdrawal' symptoms, but it is not technically the same thing.
Moreover, GBL will cause acidosis. The combination of metabolic acidosis and dopamine flooding will exactly mimic classic withdrawal symptoms. Combine this with nurses telling kids that they are experiencing withdrawals, and PRESTO, you get what we have now...myths and confusion.
The acidosis problem can be solved by keeping doses to a minimum (less than 10ml/day) and incorporating an alkali forming food into the diet. Green Kamut works especially well. One serving per 3ml consumed will replace alkalinity and potassium.
The other issue of dopamine suppression/buildup can be avoided if one either avoids dosing in the day (dosing only at night), or if one is certain to wait the full six hours between every dose if one chooses to dose constantly. Even incorporating a full waiting period requires periodic breaks. Ward's solution of one day off per week, one week off per month, and one month off per year seems to do the trick for many of my colleagues (I no longer use--I ran out).
Threshold dose should not increase. The body does NOT form a clinical tolerance for GHB, but the threshold dose (where certain effects are felt) can increase due to the rearrangement of neurotransmitter balances. If a user feels the threshold dose increaing, he or she should discontinue use for two to three weeks, and incorporate an alkaline diet until pH is SLIGHTLY alkaline.
GBL and GHB, contrary to popular medical belief, is not stressful to the liver. I have two years of blood tests to prove this, as do many of my friends who still use. Vasodilation of the kidneys does occur. Normal kidneys should not be stressed by either compound, although they can induce more frequent urination due to both the dilation effects as well as the hygroscopic factor. Drink plenty of water, but overdoing the water is not necessary.
Foods for GBL users should include lemons and wheatgrass. Green Kamut is where most of us get our wheatgrass from because it is easy and tastes a bit better. Two lemons a day will work wonders for those who are feeling that GBL lethargy. It is most always from metabolic acidosis. If your extremeties are starting to feel colder, this is a good indicator that you are too acidic.
Hope this clears up a few myths.
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How does it increase growth hormone? How can GHB and GBL be different if they both convert into the same substance?
synchojet:
You obviously have never been addicted to GHB. GHB has -severe- withdrawal symptoms and they're not only due to dopamine flood.
GHB does a lot more in the brain other than supressing/releasing dopamine. The dramatic increase in GABA in the brain is responsible of GHB harsh w/d, which are a lot like benzos w/d.
You don't become "addicted" to ghb, that's true. But your GABA receptors get downgraded to the point you need GHB to feel normal, and have panic attacks and severe anxiety when not on it.
You obviously have never been addicted to GHB. GHB has -severe- withdrawal symptoms and they're not only due to dopamine flood.
GHB does a lot more in the brain other than supressing/releasing dopamine. The dramatic increase in GABA in the brain is responsible of GHB harsh w/d, which are a lot like benzos w/d.
You don't become "addicted" to ghb, that's true. But your GABA receptors get downgraded to the point you need GHB to feel normal, and have panic attacks and severe anxiety when not on it.
Partykid12
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Well I dont know how people can get addicted to G, maybe there is a difference with the addiction qualities in GHB and GBL. Because there was a time when I used to get about a liter of GBL every 2 weeks and me and my friends would seriously sit there and do GBL everyday/all day. This went on for about 6 months and stopped when the DEA busted that man in Canada. When he got busted my connection was gone and I didn't go through any withdrawl symptoms whatsoever. The only thing that even felt a little like withdrawl was a little bit of anxiety that I had for about a week, but it was nothing compared to going through Opiate withdrawl.
I dont know if GHB is different because I wouldn't really do GHB everyday like I did GBL. G really doesn't do too many negative things to your body, my drug counselor told my parents that it was really more safe than alcohol if the dosages were kept low.
I dont know if GHB is different because I wouldn't really do GHB everyday like I did GBL. G really doesn't do too many negative things to your body, my drug counselor told my parents that it was really more safe than alcohol if the dosages were kept low.
6 months is not that much.
GHB is a fairly benign substance and vastly safer than alcohol, or any other drug for that matter, when used properly.
To get addicted you have to hit the shit 24/7, redosing to sleep at least thrice during the night...It's using it for sleep that fucks you up.
do that for a year (there are people out there who have done this for up to TWELVE years) and tell me if there's not a w/d.
GHB is a fairly benign substance and vastly safer than alcohol, or any other drug for that matter, when used properly.
To get addicted you have to hit the shit 24/7, redosing to sleep at least thrice during the night...It's using it for sleep that fucks you up.
do that for a year (there are people out there who have done this for up to TWELVE years) and tell me if there's not a w/d.
Partykid12
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6 months 24/7 is a good little habit and I should have had withdrawl symptoms.... I dont think prolonging the habit 6 more months would have done any different.
Synchrojet - word to the info.
Six months, imho, is DEFINATLY long enough to fux0r your brain chemistry.
My brother was 'addicted' to ghb/1,4,B for about two years - dosing once every four hours for the first 1.5 years, and once every two (!) for the last few months. It was described by him as laying in bed, unable to move, with the sensation of being electricuted, and being almost unable to get up and redose.
He had pretty severe 'withdrawl' symptoms.. about two weeks of intense hallucinations and hospitalization. (I think he may have gone to a psych ward in that time as well... can't remember. That may have been shortly after ...)
It seems that dopamine shouldn't cause this. He's also bi-polar, OCD, has schizophrenic tendancies, and is manic depressive. (Yes. All of the above. When it rains, it pours.) Could these disorders have anything to with with the withdrawl-like symptoms? I don't know too much about it ... any ideas?
shiishii
Note: I used the words 'addicted' and 'withdrawl' in quotes, because they are not technicaly correct. No sarcasm intended.
One last thing... if your ghb tastes like complete shit, you probably made it wrong. Use a good scale (at least +/-0.1g) and DON'T use acetic acid to adjust the pH. Use Citric! Its tasty!) (If it tastes like old man's ball sweat, then you're pretty close.) (No, I don't know/like what old man's ball sweat tastes like.) (Really. I don't.)
Six months, imho, is DEFINATLY long enough to fux0r your brain chemistry.
My brother was 'addicted' to ghb/1,4,B for about two years - dosing once every four hours for the first 1.5 years, and once every two (!) for the last few months. It was described by him as laying in bed, unable to move, with the sensation of being electricuted, and being almost unable to get up and redose.
He had pretty severe 'withdrawl' symptoms.. about two weeks of intense hallucinations and hospitalization. (I think he may have gone to a psych ward in that time as well... can't remember. That may have been shortly after ...)
It seems that dopamine shouldn't cause this. He's also bi-polar, OCD, has schizophrenic tendancies, and is manic depressive. (Yes. All of the above. When it rains, it pours.) Could these disorders have anything to with with the withdrawl-like symptoms? I don't know too much about it ... any ideas?
shiishii
Note: I used the words 'addicted' and 'withdrawl' in quotes, because they are not technicaly correct. No sarcasm intended.
One last thing... if your ghb tastes like complete shit, you probably made it wrong. Use a good scale (at least +/-0.1g) and DON'T use acetic acid to adjust the pH. Use Citric! Its tasty!) (If it tastes like old man's ball sweat, then you're pretty close.) (No, I don't know/like what old man's ball sweat tastes like.) (Really. I don't.)
badjessejames
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synchrojet and partykid:::
Read my post GHB addiction........self detoxing & This research GHB withdrawl syndrome
.........To tell people there is no withdrawl is not only misinformation...it's dangerous. People have died from quitting cold turkey
[ 13 March 2003: Message edited by: badjessejames ]
Read my post GHB addiction........self detoxing & This research GHB withdrawl syndrome
.........To tell people there is no withdrawl is not only misinformation...it's dangerous. People have died from quitting cold turkey
[ 13 March 2003: Message edited by: badjessejames ]