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Why are there so many piperazines around now?!?!?

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BRAINDEAD1

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Why is it that you cant find any good rolls anymore and why is there so many copy cats? What happen to the bowling balls and the good mints and astriks?
 
For a variety of reasons.

Some but definately not all of them are...

1. Piperazines are unregulated in many countries making manufacturing them easy.
2. Piperazines mimic MDxx in some minor ways. Those with less experience may not know the difference. Depending on the specific Piperazine(s) or combination thereof, even experienced users may not know until its too late and nasty side effects begin.
3. Piperazines are cheaper to manufacture and therefore cheaper to purchase as a raw product when compared to MDxx
4. In many places the penalty for getting caught with Piperazines is less (or nothing) than MDxx
5. In spite of the fact that the community of Ecstasy users are becoming more aware of adulterated pills the majority STILL do not have reagent testing kits (can't blame the dealers or chemists if you are to lazy to test a pill you got off the street, I don't know how I survived before I got mine...)


Feel free to add to my list, it is by no means complete.

Just like other adulterants (Meth/Amp, K, DXM, RCs, even Caffeine...) Piperazines are not going away any time soon.

I will no longer take any clandestinely produced pill without testing it first. I have in the past and suffered the consequences...
 
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What I don't understand is why adulterate pills with piperazines when there are more pleasant and less toxic legal alternatives available. Methylone would be one. Lowish dose 2C-I would be another. I don't understand why piperazines specifically took such a strong hold; they're so nasty.
 
uniter said:
What I don't understand is why adulterate pills with piperazines when there are more pleasant and less toxic legal alternatives available. Methylone would be one. Lowish dose 2C-I would be another. I don't understand why piperazines specifically took such a strong hold; they're so nasty.
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I don't have empirical evidence to support this, but, I would bet good money that most piperazines are cheaper to produce than Methylone or any 2C-x.

Also, piperazines have been produced legally in some countries as an alternative to MDxx for many years. Industrialization of just about any process drives production up and cost down.

I really think it boils down to simple economics. And in that business it is all about the bottom line.

The only way to truly stop it is to stop the end user from purchasing tainted pills through reagent testing. If enough people do this the manufacturer would be forced to produce what people want.

But, unfortunately, most users of illicit substances aren't interested in safety until its too late...
 
Do pressers seem to ever mix Piperazines and MDxx, or does it seem to be a complete cop-out from the MD family?
 
I haven't found anything but piperizines for the last couple months. I think instead of JUST passing out the "get a kit" advice we should also be saying "get a kit, but until then stay away from head-shaped, logo-shaped, etc. pills and outpressed pills." As that honestly tends to be the bulk of pipes.
 
Had some "Obama" shaped pipes recently. Total crap. Was tired for a week and couldn't seem to get enough sleep. The high never did really came on either and instead of feeling good, I felt angry. Everything annoyed me. So be aware of reddish / orange colored OBAMA heads. Bad juju.
 
well most of the USA ecstasy pills come from Canada now :) which is where i am from .

Especially Chicago which im guessing you are from , which is pretty close to canada.

In canada pipes are legal , so manufacturers just put this in them as they are cheaper and legal.


One thing i would reccomend is to buy pills in the south which come from mexico or are made in the states . This way you are unlikeley to get pipes as they are illiegal in the USA and Mexico :)

Happy rollin buddy
 
so are blue bape g's ........................ they also have a bit of MDA and PCP as i felt numb ... but yeah mostly pipes according to pill reports
 
all pills in chicago dnt come from canada but the pipes probably do since its so cheap and right there but there is alot of good rolls 2
 
tank90 said:
all pills in chicago dnt come from canada but the pipes probably do since its so cheap and right there but there is alot of good rolls 2
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all i know is alot of them come from canada .

Apparently 90% of the E in the northern part of the USA comes from Canada

and im not sure about the south ... probably mexico or produced domestically
 
yea but you cant have a set statistic on percents of how much e is going 2 one place from another like people get it from everywere and sell it 2 everyone every were 2 just cuz we r right by canada doesnt mean we getting everything from there just like you aint getting everything from us its just trades going on all over the place
 
tank90 said:
yea but you cant have a set statistic on percents of how much e is going 2 one place from another like people get it from everywere and sell it 2 everyone every were 2 just cuz we r right by canada doesnt mean we getting everything from there just like you aint getting everything from us its just trades going on all over the place
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Well the law is different in both countries .

USA is harsher if you are caught manufacturing E

Canada is a bit friendlier and you will get like a few years .


Also where else would you americans be getting your E from ? England ?

i suggest you look up where most of the E in the states come from and i think you will find it comes from Canada
 
^i hate when people think they know what they talking bout but asks questions and start threads about everything and every drug because they are bored if you dont know what your talking bout stay off my fucking thread!!!
 
BrainDead: you're awesome- you know how to charm the ladies, use good grammar AND show gratitude to people who try to help you! All in the space of an hour too!
High fives! :D
 
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