Social Justice White/Straight/Cis/Male Privilege

[Jabberwocky]

I'm white. And male, despite popular belief.

And maybe it's different here than where you live, but;

Most of the time, the only thing I've been subjected to is a seat in the Gravy Train of White Priviliage. I've never felt anything of what you describe.
Sure, I hear stories everyday about white/male assholes. Why? There are tons of them. There's no denying that.
Just do you. If you're not like those men, don't martyr yourself as one of them.
I wouldn't call you a sissy by any means, but it seems that maybe you take it personally when other men, who are dogshit, act out that the stereotype.
Most people are to busy being neurotic about themselves to project shit like this unto others.
I think your guilt-tripping yourself for being white and it trickles down to resentment.

I might be way off, and I don't mean to offend you, by any means.

I do, however, find it slightly hilarious that so many men take offence, especially when they're not personally attacked, but the "demographic" is.
Statistics speaks for themselves. Men are overall much more prone to violence, regular beatings, shootings, stabbings, rape, than women are.

Like, shit. I'm also gypsy - I've never heard or seen any of my "pure breed" white friends being sepped on in school/work like fuckers have tried me as soon as they find out what I am, or other minorities I know who are actually being subjected to flat out prejudice and racism, almost daily for some of them. I've had people spit and calling metrash, walking up in my face and spew bullshit, for the sole purpose of where my parents and theirs came from.

Do you think it's other minorities that have done this to me? Not one fucking time.
The only people I've ever gotten into fights with ARE white men telling me to get home to the wagoon or some ignorant shit.

Has anybody ever said anything to you, because you are white? Or is it just that feeling?

Where do you live/ where did you grow up? Just curious. Gypsy? I assume EU?

I have definitely experienced discrimination as a white person. I grew up in minority dominated areas my whole life. Most of my peers were Mexicans in AZ. Most of my peers were Black in CA. I've been denied several jobs for very vague reasons like "I don't think you would make it here", "You wouldn't fit in"... at places where all of the employees were black or latino. Boo hoo, cry me a river right? I've been called cracker. I've been called white boy. I've been called mayonnaise. I've been excluded. I've been made fun of. I've even been punked or robbed because I was a white boy in a minority world. I have experienced it, but I'm not crying about it. I moved on. Some people are just assholes, that's that. I don't turn around and hate on minorities for it - nor do I think all of them are like that.

This really has nothing to do with me taking it personally. It's the fact that it's socially acceptable to go after men and white people now. It's the latest fashion. Everyone is doing it. Literally called the "me too" movement.

Imagine a "me too" movement regarding white people being offended by black people. Imagine that..... truly imagine that. That's my fucking point. White people are easy targets.

My whole point here is this:

I wake up every day and see people talking shit about my sex or race. EVERY DAY. And I have NOTHING to do with their complaints. OTHER people don't know that, though. OTHER people assume I am priveleged and rich and have the perfect little privleged life when in fact it's the opposite. Maybe I haven't utilized my privlege? I never graduated fucking highschool bro. I'm white trash.

Imagine a white guy complaining about everything black people do on the news? Taking that one scenario of a black guy killing a white woman and painting the picture they are all like that.

I guess that's my weak point.

I've done nothing wrong in that area of my life yet now I walk out the door with the assumption that everyone else thinks I did

Am I a little bitch because I can't handle what other people think about me? Probably.

I can handle it, I just dislike it.

If you've ever been accused of stealing or lying and you didn't... well, that's really how I feel ultimately.

Whether or not I can handle such an invalid accusation is not the point. The point is it's incorrect overgeneral speculation.

"Don't be a bitch, who cares, it doesn't effect you" is not a proper argument and skirts the real issue.

 

[JessFR]

Where do you live/ where did you grow up? Just curious. Gypsy? I assume EU?

I have definitely experienced discrimination as a white person. I grew up in minority dominated areas my whole life. Most of my peers were Mexicans in AZ. Most of my peers were Black in CA. I've been denied several jobs for very vague reasons like "I don't think you would make it here", "You wouldn't fit in"... at places where all of the employees were black or latino. Boo hoo, cry me a river right? I've been called cracker. I've been called white boy. I've been called mayonnaise. I've been excluded. I've been made fun of. I've even been punked or robbed because I was a white boy in a minority world. I have experienced it, but I'm not crying about it. I moved on. Some people are just assholes, that's that. I don't turn around and hate on minorities for it - nor do I think all of them are like that.

This really has nothing to do with me taking it personally. It's the fact that it's socially acceptable to go after men and white people now. It's the latest fashion. Everyone is doing it. Literally called the "me too" movement.

Imagine a "me too" movement regarding white people being offended by black people. Imagine that..... truly imagine that. That's my fucking point. White people are easy targets.

My whole point here is this:

I wake up every day and see people talking shit about my sex or race. EVERY DAY. And I have NOTHING to do with their complaints. OTHER people don't know that, though. OTHER people assume I am priveleged and rich and have the perfect little privleged life when in fact it's the opposite. Maybe I haven't utilized my privlege? I never graduated fucking highschool bro. I'm white trash.

Imagine a white guy complaining about everything black people do on the news? Taking that one scenario of a black guy killing a white woman and painting the picture they are all like that.

I guess that's my weak point.

I've done nothing wrong in that area of my life yet now I walk out the door with the assumption that everyone else thinks I did

Am I a little bitch because I can't handle what other people think about me? Probably.

I can handle it, I just dislike it.

If you've ever been accused of stealing or lying and you didn't... well, that's really how I feel ultimately.

Whether or not I can handle such an invalid accusation is not the point. The point is it's incorrect overgeneral speculation.

"Don't be a bitch, who cares, it doesn't effect you" is not a proper argument and skirts the real issue.

What you're describing is definitely discrimination, and you're allowed to be upset about it. I just think it's worth keeping it in perspective. Yes, there are situations where being a white guy disadvantages you.

There are situations where I've felt advantaged by being a woman rather than a man. There are exceptions. And you're allowed to acknowledge them. It's just probably worth keeping in mind that they're probably the exceptions, not the rule. When looking broadly at all of society. That doesn't make your experiences not valid. It just makes them not universal.

 

[Burnt Offerings]

This is an interesting perspective Jess, and I think certainly true. That said, of course if someone treats you poorly simply for being a white man, that's not cool at all and is bigotry.

That's how I feel too. If someone is treated in a demeaning fashion due to some immutable characteristic like their race or gender, that's wrong, no matter who does it.

I also agree with some of the perspectives regarding people overreacting to certain shifts in opinion etc, and it's important to frame such discussions in a way that it's difficult for revanchist elements (like neo-nazis, sexists etc.) to weaponize & legitimize their political projects...and it's certainly true that social media and the corporate media are not "society"...but I also think that there's something here, regarding "white people" being maligned within the wider culture, outside of just any white male victimhood complex I may have. I first began to think that there may be something to it in August 2019, when a breaking news segment on CBS interrupted regularly scheduled programming briefly in order to inform the viewer that a mass shooting had just taken place in Odessa Texas, and that the shooter was "Seth Ator, a white male". That was literally how it was presented, then it went back to regularly-scheduled programming.

It just made me scratch my head, like what does him being a white male have to do with anything?! I feel the same way in any number of other stories presented in a similar way, by the way, such as "a black male" committed such-and-such crime, or a "homeless person" did this or that bad thing...I think that there's admittedly an element of not experiencing a phenomena that other groups have long experienced, but that still doesn't mean that I like or approve of such crap...it's just playing with the same cultural dynamics which associated a given group with a "bad thing", thus contributing to dehumanization and possible persecution. So yes, while in a material sense white people are certainly doing pretty well in regards to other groups, regarding such metrics as how many are wealthy, how many are in prison etc. but I do think that the OP is referring to something "real" (as that can be ascertained when looking at culture and trying to make judgments about it) and I don't think it's all in his head by any means.

 

[Jabberwocky]

being white today is like getting a sunburn... if you complain about it people will say "get over it, you're white"....

ALL OF THIS ultimately boils down to 2 wrongs do not make a right. Simple.

 

[✿Dai₷y✿]

I scroll reddit every morning. Every single day I see stuff like

"I was sexually assaulted by a man"
"White racists do X"
"The straight white male patriarchy.."
"White privilege, white fragility"
"Rapist gets away with rape"


Etc.. essentially I feel like if I walk down the street every single non white, non straight, non male is glaring at me and assume I am part of the problem. That I'm probably racist, homophobic, rich and privleged and that I hit women.

Obviously I'm generalizing here... So is everyone else. It honestly upsets me that I hear this shit every day.

This is not something I would admit in public because I would INSTANTLY be called a fragile white man... Who deserves zero sympathy because I'm white and my life is perfect.

Is this systematic reverse racism or am I just a little rich sissy complaining about what other white men "do"?

I read about reverse racism and was going to direct this to What23 as he said similar to you, alas he got banned and I didn't see the point at that time talking to a banned account.

This reverse racism thing really does exist IF:

1) You are a white straight man and live in America especially with its black slavery past

2) You are not a unique individual anymore and are nothing but your stereotype in discussions.


This is because the institutionalised racism or bigotry that the other stereotypes all have had done to them for generations did not happen to white dudes.

Minority posters are not unique individuals anymore either as not all blacks or gays have had their opportunities limited by Institutionalised bigotry/racism and should be discussed as if they are just an average stereotype of their minority group - all have been unable to have access to education, jobs, opportunities, basic fundamental rights because there were subject to prejudicial laws.

As individuals, not all have suffered from I stitutionalised racism at all and not all are disadvantaged.

I didn't know slavery really didn't stop until about 50-60 years ago, it was just called convict labour and blacks being unemployed and loitering was crime enough for them to be conscripted as a prisoner for slave type work. Whites didn't have that.







As a individuals its different. Reverse discrimination IS REAL. ITS when a WASP or white Straight female individual experiences racial abuse to themselves and cant talk about it without again being abused 4 being white

Being attacked by a gang of indigenous people because I am a "white slut" and lived in an apartment block trashed by gangs of Islander vs Indigenous gangs because I had a job and did nor trash the complex didn't end well for me nor the previous white females tenant who was set upon and had to be rescued from gang rape because she was white and told the gangs she was not going to give them booze or smokes. Thats racially motivated attacks, white privilege callers can dare try it on at their own risk

Apparently all racist and bigoted attacks are equally as racist regardless of who is doing it to whom.

There's no way a white male can say "I'm white and proud" like a black dude can as the woke generation can't see saying that does not imply anything derogatory about blacks, it just means "I am proud to be white".

Im pretty good with my sex/race and am content in my skin, will never just be apologetic for being who I am, think anyone who acts like I should be ashamed or carry countless generations of guilt can kiss my white ass. Blacks or any of the "minorities", I wouldn't expect anything less than pride or confidence.

I wouldn't put much time into the white privilege argument if it targets you individually. Its lazy and doesn't do anything but annoy.

 

[tubgirl.jpg]

Where do you live/ where did you grow up? Just curious. Gypsy? I assume EU?

Correct. Sweden to be more precise.

Boo hoo, cry me a river right?

That's not at all what I meant man. And I'm sorry to hear you've been subjected to such shit, it's equally disgusting whatever way . I mean that.

Etc.. essentially I feel like if I walk down the street every single non white, non straight, non male is glaring at me and assume I am part of the problem. That I'm probably racist, homophobic, rich and privleged and that I hit women.

But it's this I wonder about. I'm not trying to be condescending, I just want to understand.
Do any of these people say anything? Are they staring you down with murder blazing in their eyes?
How do you know that's what they are assuming? Are they glaring or just looking, like people look at other people?

It honestly upsets me that I hear this shit every day.

Again, just want to understand; is it the feeling you get, the headlines or are still being called 'cracker' and other infantile, spiteful terms?

If you're not a racist, homophobic woman-beater, why do you take offence?

It's hard to write these questions, because I do realize that it seems like I'm being condescending, but on my sack (closest thing to god that I believe in), I'm not. I'm asking because I've never experienced any hatred towards me for my white complexion.

Imagine a "me too" movement regarding white people being offended by black people. Imagine that..... truly imagine that. That's my fucking point. White people are easy targets.

Isn't that what black people have been experiencing for what, a few hundred years now?

 

[mal3volent]

Social Justice - White/Straight/Cis/Male Privilege

split from Transgender discussion thread.

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[jpgrdnr]

so put a label on it and stick it in the lost and found...

I was close for the lyrics...

And put a label on it
And send it off to the lost and found

Van Morrison - Call Me Up In Dreamland

 

[December Flower]

My home is so secluded that the first black guy I ever saw was in "Empire Strikes Back". So when I first met a real African-American at the airport in Atlanta, I was five years old btw, I said "Wow, that's Lando Calrissian!" - he was very friendly about it and said "May the force be with you".

I still feel horrible about that. Many people here don't even own a TV, or ever see much beyond our home, but I still feel silly, especially because my sister likes to make fun of it

 

[Xorkoth]

You met the one black guy in the whole galaxy! What are the odds??

 

[December Flower]

You met the one black guy in the whole galaxy! What are the odds??

That was my exact thinking, I'm quite ashamed to admit.
I mean I realized something was amiss, as soon as my family laughed, but I wasn't quite a 100% on the specifics.
After we left the terminal things became clearer to me.

 

[JessFR]

My home is so secluded that the first black guy I ever saw was in "Empire Strikes Back". So when I first met a real African-American at the airport in Atlanta, I was five years old btw, I said "Wow, that's Lando Calrissian!" - he was very friendly about it and said "May the force be with you".

I still feel horrible about that. Many people here don't even own a TV, or ever see much beyond our home, but I still feel silly, especially because my sister likes to make fun of it

That... is hilarious :D.

 

[December Flower]

That... is hilarious :D.

I didn't mean to be so racist, I just didn't really know that people come in a lot of variety
I knew shitloads about dinosaurs and space at that age, did not care about human culture at all
Cannot fault my parents though, I just wanted books about dinosaurs or space.

 

[jpgrdnr]

 

[Jabberwocky]

I don’t think it’s that extraordinary. I didn’t speak to an Asian person until I was about 12 nor meet a Jew until I was 15.

It would be more difficult now in Australia though.

 

[w01fg4ng]

Skin is something you can't escape from (almost always) but sexuality can be hidden sometimes. I came out to my friends pretty early on but didn't have any role models to look at. Ellen DeGeneres came out shortly after I did, so not much to build on.

I like to think I'm aware of my own privilege as a white cis male but also realize how often irony isn't obvious to the ignorant.

 

[birdup.snaildown]

If you're not a racist, homophobic woman-beater, why do you take offence?

I don't understand the logic here. If black people aren't the negative stereotypes that people associate with their race, it shouldn't bother them that people stereotype their skin colour?

 

[Jabberwocky]

I don't understand the logic here. If black people aren't the negative stereotypes that people associate with their race, it shouldn't bother them that people stereotype their skin colour?

Are you saying people should not feel negative affect when they are misunderstood or misrepresented in a negative way?

 

[birdup.snaildown]

@Atelier3

No, I think that's what @tubgirl.jpg is saying? If a white person isn't a racist homophobic woman beater, then that stereotype shouldn't bother them. I think that's what he said, anyway Maybe I misunderstood it. Just asking for clarification, because if you apply that logic to the black community clearly it is problematic... so why does it apply to white people?

I don't understand.

 

[December Flower]

There's one thing I really don't like about being a white cis male, and it's the expectations.
You're supposed to be strong and a sports freak, you're supposed to like football, and cars and all that nonsensical bullshit, You're supposed to be this confident, macho weirdo that talks to women like shit, but somehow gets laid even more for that. Everyone expects so much of you, it's really sickening. You can't be emotional. If you're emotional, people will make fun of you, telling you to put on your 'big boy pants'(read that in another thread, had to use it). You can't read, because reading is for girls. You have to always keep it together. You can't order specific cocktails because they are somehow "gay", you can't like certain music, or art, ...

It's a dog's world & It's really not all that easy, I think everyone has their own stereotypes of what they should and shouldn't be, being socially "persecuted" for not being the ideal, but people are super rough to white hetero males, because we are the "privileged" ones, like 213 years ago.