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Social Justice White/Straight/Cis/Male Privilege

Yeah over time I have become increasingly... skeptical of the liberal media's spin on the racial discussion. So, NPR radio is my main news source, and also BBC, I find them to have, generally, fair reporting, without resorting to the same bullshit plaguing most other news outlets. But, I will say that almost every time I turn it on, I hear, before long, a prolonged discussion about race/disadvantaged peoples. Now, let me first (second?) say that I am 100% on board with the need to continue to make improvements. I'm by no means a person who thinks that there are no racial inequities anymore. But it just seems that the focus has become slightly askew from what is sensible. I support BLM, through speaking with black Americans and my own observations, I be;lieve there still exists some aspects of systemic racism in America. How could there not be? There has been a contingent in America trying to regain slavery, and, failing that, marginalize and demonize black people, for a long time. Things have gotten a lot better, but I DO still believe we have some progress to be made.

But, I do not think the extremity of identity politics is a good or healthy thing. My example of "casual racism in food choices" is a good example. That was on NPR, my main news source. It made me sad. They were trying to suggest it was cultural appropriation for a white person to post a middle eastern recipe. I'm sorry but that's bullshit. If America is a melting pot, that means all of our diverse cultural influences should be merging together into something new and beautiful. I'm not a racist for cooking mostly Japanese, Chinese, and Indian foods at my house. In fact I am celebrating their amazing food culture and appreciating the fuck out of it.

I guess the gist of this post is that I agree we should have a narrative about this, and I believe there is still an issue, but I think the way the liberal media is covering it is often (not always) disingenuous. I will also say this: I beliege that the primary issue facing America today is independent of race. It is the economic divide which grows wider and wider every year. This is true regardless of your race, if you're poor you're shit on, and if you're not, you're not.

Now there is the question of why such a higher percentage of black people (and Mexicans/central Americans) are in poverty compared to white people. And I think this is where the conversation should be focused. The reasons are complex, and I know that on the ground, cops are more afraid of black people in inner cities than they are of white people. And it's sensible for them to be so, because there is more hatred between cops and poor black people than there is between cops and poor white people. We need to ask why this is. There are various factors, but it is clear to me that there is a difference because of the extension of Jim Crow-era policy, as recently as the 1980s, the CIA literally flooded Black neighborhoods with crack specifically to destroy their neighborhoods, and buy hem up, and gentrify them. This was released in the Freedom of Information Act, so we know it's true. I do realize the 80-s were quite some time ago now, but it seems to me that inner city b;lack cmmunities still suffer from the fallout of this. It created a culture of drug dealing to survive, and resulting police brutality and terrorizing.

Ultimately I think we need to radically alter the police institution in this country, which is why I support BLM, because that was its original point. We need to stop militarizing police, and we need to divert some of the funds they are using to outfit police department with military weapons and fucking tanks, into instead creating opporuntities to provide social services for people. Cops are asked to do too much. When someone is having a crisis, what they need is a mental health counselor. When someone is experiencing hardcore drug addiction, what they need is treatment. Cops can't do all of this, but they're being asked to.

Of course s0me individual cops are awful racists, but I very much dislike the sentiment that "all cops are bastards". They are not. Most cops want to be serving the public good. One of my oldest friends is a cop and he's amazing, a good cop. And there are so many more good cops. We need to move away from this militarized, shoot first ask questions later mentality in the police, and have a more holistic approach.

tl;dr: we have a cop culture problem, and it transcends race, though it does still disproportinately affect black communities. And this isn't random, this is because of hu8ndreds of years of subjugation. But it's a mistake to focus entirely on the racial aspect because it goes far bey9ond that and ultimately our biggest problem in America is not race wars, it is class wars, the elio\tes vs the increasingly poorer common man.
Unfortunately you are wrong about most. Sure, there might be a few "good" cops. But even some of the ones that are "not" "racist" are horrible abusive excuses for a "human" being. Acab. I mean I hate to say it, but what they actually serve is extremely corrupt. More often than not they are not protecting any individual or society at large even.
 
I disagree, I think you're being a little bit of a bigot here (but I don't mean any offense, lots of people are bigoted against cops). One of my oldest friends is a cop (he's black). He tries to be the best influence he can over the other officers in his precinct and has taken issues he's seen up the ladder. We've talked about it a lot. There are good ones and bad ones. There are ones he can't stand and has stood up to, and there are ones he considers very good people. The reason he became a cop was because growing up in the hood, he saw how policing was needed, and also how there was a need for more cops who could understand what his community needed. He did it to protect people, and lots of cops he knows do it for the same reason. It's absolutely true that some cops become cops because they're bullies and want the power. But lots of cops also do it because it's a necessary position for some people to hold, and they want to serve the public. He cares about people and will always try to talk people down and get them help, rather than use violence. He's never had to shoot anyone and dreads the day he might have to one day.

Police are necessary. Without police, we would rely on vigilante justice, and it's hard for me to fathom how anyone could think that would work at all.

Cops are just people. The position attracts a higher percentage of essentially grown-up schoolyard bullies who want to take out their bullshit on others, but lots of cops are actually quite selfless. Their job is dangerous, necessary, and thankless, and I certainly wouldn't want to do it.

Personally I have had lots of encounters with cops and almost no really bad encounters, mostly it's been mutual respect. Granted, I'm white, I realize that helps. But it's a mistake to say "all cops are racist", or "all cops are bastards".

+1

The worst example I've heard is dreads being cultural appropriation. Humans have had dreads for as long as they've had hair.

Yeah that shit is so dumb. People have told me that before. It's just what hair does if you let it go, no one owns that. And even if they did, why is it a problem for someone to do their hair in another culture's style, if they like it? Isn't that a compliment, and a sign of respect?
 
Unfortunately you are wrong about most. Sure, there might be a few "good" cops. But even some of the ones that are "not" "racist" are horrible abusive excuses for a "human" being. Acab. I mean I hate to say it, but what they actually serve is extremely corrupt. More often than not they are not protecting any individual or society at large even.
Yes. Fuck cops and may they be fucked forever.
 
When would I need cops?

Somebody steals your car.

Somebody rapes a friend or family member and you don't know where they live so you can't be a vigilante.

Somebody breaks into your house when you're away on holiday and poos in your shower.

Somebody shoots a bunch of people in your neighborhood then tries to escape interstate in a stolen car.

Somebody puts a bucket on your head, pulls down your pants and paints your balls blue.

Somebody sends you anthrax in the mail.

Somebody farts loudly in church.

Serial killers.

Cheeky monkeys.

Stink fish.

Etc.
 
Somebody steals your car.

Somebody rapes a friend or family member and you don't know where they live so you can't be a vigilante.

Somebody breaks into your house when you're away on holiday and poos in your shower.

Somebody shoots a bunch of people in your neighborhood then tries to escape interstate in a stolen car.

Somebody puts a bucket on your head, pulls down your pants and paints your balls blue.

Somebody sends you anthrax in the mail.

Somebody farts loudly in church.

Serial killers.

Cheeky monkeys.

Stink fish.

Etc.

I don't have a car.

Been there. Found them. Fixed it.

Ah, let them poop.

People die everyday, dawg. I ain't gonna snitch anyhow.

Okay, paint my balls blue and I will call the cops.

Anthrax is intruiging.

I poop in churches.

I am one.

That too.

Stink fish? Okay, cops.
 
Somebody steals your car.
Yeaaa that car's gone, sorry. :D

Somebody rapes a friend or family member and you don't know where they live so you can't be a vigilante.
Statistically they'll probably never see the inside of a jail cell.

Somebody breaks into your house when you're away on holiday and poos in your shower.


Sounds like they were just homeless and mentally ill, surely you don't need to involve the cops?

Somebody shoots a bunch of people in your neighborhood then tries to escape interstate in a stolen car.

I told you that car was gone, assuming it survives the chase it'll prolly be impounded as evidence for years. Also most mechanics charge up the ass for spike strip damage.


Somebody sends you anthrax in the mail.


Most of us don't really want the authorities keeping a look out for unknown powders coming in our mail...


Somebody farts loudly in church.


That's gods problem.
 
I scroll reddit every morning. Every single day I see stuff like

"I was sexually assaulted by a man"
"White racists do X"
"The straight white male patriarchy.."
"White privilege, white fragility"
"Rapist gets away with rape"


Etc.. essentially I feel like if I walk down the street every single non white, non straight, non male is glaring at me and assume I am part of the problem. That I'm probably racist, homophobic, rich and privleged and that I hit women.

Obviously I'm generalizing here... So is everyone else. It honestly upsets me that I hear this shit every day.

This is not something I would admit in public because I would INSTANTLY be called a fragile white man... Who deserves zero sympathy because I'm white and my life is perfect.

Is this systematic reverse racism or am I just a little rich sissy complaining about what other white men "do"?
 
It is to a point that it is absolutely discrimination when an issue within a demographic is taken to say that everyone in that demographic is that way. Its not reverse racism, its flat out racism, and sexist actually here to take some points to define an entire race and gender or both this case and slam them. Being presumed to be a certain way just because youre X demographic is not reversal. Its the same thing.
 
I know how you feel man...it wears you down when the only context you hear people like you being associated with are derisive, negative and harmful contexts/characterizations. People should have more compassion and follow MLK's advice to judge an individual based on the content of their character first-and-foremost.

There's no doubt, in my mind anyway, that there has gross injustice based upon people's race or gender, etc. But the solution to that isn't denigrating people based upon their race or gender, it's to overcome such categories through unity which transcends barriers related to race, gender etc. One inspiring moment where this happened somewhat recently was the George Floyd protests (and it's amusing to me how some extremists used that moment to push forward bizarre narratives which are divorced of socioeconomic factors or class, and instead focuses obsessively on an individual's phenotype, aka "race", and the supposed inherent traits associated with said phenotype...yup, nothing racist about that!)

But I comfort myself with the knowledge that the sound and fury on the intarwebz is mostly the result of a bunch of loons who've completely detached themselves from reality. I would urge you to try and disconnect as much as possible from some of these online communities that trouble you, and try not to let such stuff bleed into your perceptions of the "real world". It's easier said than done, trust me I know...I try to disconnect from the psychological warfare imposed upon me by the media, the internet etc. but it's hard. You are a person and there's nothing inherently "wrong" with your gender, race or sexual orientation, and I'd urge you to recognize and consciously reject that whenever you encounter it from another person
 
I feel like there is a subversive war going on against men.

Women are championing posts that demonize and glorify hating men and the patriarchy. I see them every day.

Its socially acceptable for women to literally say "I hate all men". Oh she probably was a victim of abuse...

If a man said "I hate all women" he is certainly an abusive rapist serial killer who beats his gf. Men never say this.

The clear fact is 40% of domestic abuse victims are men.

We are not as evil as women claim.
 
Etc.. essentially I feel like if I walk down the street every single non white, non straight, non male is glaring at me and assume I am part of the problem. That I'm probably racist, homophobic, rich and privleged and that I hit women.

That's definitely in your head.

Fact is, men really are responsible for a substantial majority of the violent crime (75% I believe), to both women and other men. There ARE a lot of bad men out there.

But there's absolutely no need to take that personally. Just, don't be one of them. Be on the side of equality and reform.

Be one of the good guys... the real one I mean, not the ones that are all "why are women always going out with assholes, why won't they go out with a nice guy like me? those stupid sluts!" :P.
 
That's definitely in your head.

Fact is, men really are responsible for a substantial majority of the violent crime (75% I believe), to both women and other men. There ARE a lot of bad men out there.

But there's absolutely no need to take that personally. Just, don't be one of them. Be on the side of equality and reform.

Be one of the good guys... the real one I mean, not the ones that are all "why are women always going out with assholes, why won't they go out with a nice guy like me? those stupid sluts!" :p.

While I would agree with a statement like "do good even if everyone thinks you're doing bad",

I think you're missing the real point of how I feel about the situation.

White men are guilty unless proven innocent. Why?

Cancel culture is toxic.

All in my head? Maybe because man hating and white racism gets shoved down my throat every morning in the news. Every. Single. Day. Its not all in my head. Its a real thing I deal with every day.

And this has nothing to do with incel nice guys who don't know how to get laid

And now we circle back to me feeling embarrassed or belittled while I defend my viewpoint, sigh.
 
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While I would agree with a statement like "do good even if everyone thinks you're doing bad",

I think you're missing the real point of how I feel about the situation.

White men are guilty unless proven innocent. Why?

Cancel culture is toxic.

White men are guilty until proven innocent by what metric? According to what? Cause it's definitely not the case in the sense of the courts. Do you mean in societies eyes? What defines that? Whatever the majority of media outlets say? Cause society doesn't have a unanimous opinion on this either.

It seems like the suggestion that guys are guilty until proven innocent is from a very selective standpoint. It feels a lot like a victim complex.

There's a world of difference between "left wing media and Facebook see men as guilty until proven innocent" and actual real world life repercussions. Cause going by that latter instance it sure seems heavily stacked in their favor.

I think this is heavily a perception bias.
Cause if you go on the statistics, only a small fraction of reported rapes for instance ever go to trial, and only a small number of them result in a conviction.

Personally I'd rather a portion of society think the group I'm a part of is heavily corrupt and gets the benefit of the doubt than have the justice system stacked against me in the case of a rape.

The perception bias can go both ways too. I'm constantly seeing injustice against women, double standards against women. I'm constantly seeing attacks against homosexuals and transgender people.

Here in bluelight, in wider society.

What I think... Is that white men aren't used to being on the receiving end of any kind of prejudice and are overreacting like they have it so much worse now when they're using definitions that don't mean much at all in day to day real life.

People siding against you on Facebook doesn't really matter. Being far more likely to go to jail or less likely to see justice if you're assaulted does.
 
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Snafu, I'm obviously gonna have a biased perspective here, we all are. None of us have lived any life as anyone but who we are. I don't know what it's like to be a guy, I don't know what it's like to be black.

Don't even know that my experiences are gonna be the same as every other straight caucasian female.

But I truly don't think society is biased against white men by any measure of consequence. And I don't think assuming as observers that when multiple women come out and say a guy abused them, that it's probably because he abused them, is "guilty until proven innocent". He will get his day in court, he will be assumed innocent there. But the rest of us aren't required to hold such a high burden of proof.

I've met plenty of men who don't, to my eyes appear to be getting accused of anything or feel like they're being persecuted. That I can see anyway.

Just be a good guy and I think it's exceedingly unlikely you'll have any issue with society finding you guilty until proven innocent.

May I suggest that you don't watch the news? Or perhaps just take a break from it? It exists to rile us up so we can't look away. But the news is not "society".
 
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I was gonna make this long post in defense of us white men but then I realized once again it’s a fools errand.

As JessFR said, we gotta just be the good dudes we think we are and in time things will come round. You can’t convince people your a good person by telling them, by showing “how bad” everyone else is, you just gotta show through action.

Since this all started I’ve tried my best to live like that, and honestly when people talk to me about these issues I often get labeled as “one of the good ones” which tells me I’m doing something right.

If your truly a good person it’ll show, and before long we’ll have hopefully weeded out all the “niceguy” assholes that give the rest of us a bad name.

Edit- Speaking of the nice guy phenomenon, I’m often curious why it seems to be growing?.. Or have I just been that unaware?

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I was gonna make this long post in defense of us white men but then I realized once again it’s a fools errand.
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Edit- Speaking of the nice guy phenomenon, I’m often curious why it seems to be growing?.. Or have I just been that unaware?
It's just another thing for women to throw on the fire of man hating.

But yeah, nice guys are weird creepy pathetic virgins - a product of their environment (people forget that part). Society makes nice guys. It's not genetic. (uhhhh no I'm not saying women are the reason nice guys are nice guys LOL [that would be super nice guy of me to think...], probably has more to do with young male culture and someone being rejected for their personality over and over)
 
I'm white. And male, despite popular belief.

And maybe it's different here than where you live, but;

Most of the time, the only thing I've been subjected to is a seat in the Gravy Train of White Priviliage. I've never felt anything of what you describe.
Sure, I hear stories everyday about white/male assholes. Why? There are tons of them. There's no denying that.
Just do you. If you're not like those men, don't martyr yourself as one of them.
I wouldn't call you a sissy by any means, but it seems that maybe you take it personally when other men, who are dogshit, act out that the stereotype.
Most people are to busy being neurotic about themselves to project shit like this unto others.
I think your guilt-tripping yourself for being white and it trickles down to resentment.

I might be way off, and I don't mean to offend you, by any means.

I do, however, find it slightly hilarious that so many men take offence, especially when they're not personally attacked, but the "demographic" is.
Statistics speaks for themselves. Men are overall much more prone to violence, regular beatings, shootings, stabbings, rape, than women are.

Like, shit. I'm also gypsy - I've never heard or seen any of my "pure breed" white friends being sepped on in school/work like fuckers have tried me as soon as they find out what I am, or other minorities I know who are actually being subjected to flat out prejudice and racism, almost daily for some of them. I've had people spit and calling metrash, walking up in my face and spew bullshit, for the sole purpose of where my parents and theirs came from.

Do you think it's other minorities that have done this to me? Not one fucking time.
The only people I've ever gotten into fights with ARE white men telling me to get home to the wagoon or some ignorant shit.

Has anybody ever said anything to you, because you are white? Or is it just that feeling?
 
What I think... Is that white men aren't used to being on the receiving end of any kind of prejudice and are overreacting like they have it so much worse now when they're using definitions that don't mean much at all in day to day real life.

This is an interesting perspective Jess, and I think certainly true. That said, of course if someone treats you poorly simply for being a white man, that's not cool at all and is bigotry. But keep in mind everything is amplified on the Internet, particularly in social media, the bandwagon effect is very strong, and people feel less afraid to say intense stuff. Do you experience people treating you badly in real life interactions? That's something I have very rarely noticed (as a white man).
 
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