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White Magic

Ninae

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I'm now doing some writing on this (white/divine magic). But there are very few spiritual teachers who have really taught about it. Most seem to think you can just use the same methods as in black magic, just with better intensions, but I see this as something dangerous as you're still making use of many of the same symbols, etc. and trying to make contact with the same (evil) spirits. So this is not really what white or divine magic is.

This would incorporate not only different intentions, but also different methods, although you can make use of some of the same things, like a circle, music, flowers, candles, poetic declarations, etc. but you need to be very discerning about what you're making use of. I won't say much more about my outlook on it yet. I'm just curious to hear other people's experiences and ideas about it, especially personal experiences, if there are any who have any (doubt that it's many).

It's quite a rare subject which few have real practice in, although I think this was the original, godly/holy, magic that was performed before it was all perverted and turned upside down. So now the challenge is to find our way back to that magic primaly to be used for things like healing, to invoke blessings, and help accelerate consciousness-growth. But without forcing anything, or having demons or dark spirits to do your bidding, like black magic or the traditional magic we have now seems to rely on (like, drugs, I see as a part of that form of magic).
 
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I think most of these lessons are passed down among family members/relative as it's something that you generally need to be genetically predispositioned to, and have a great amount of trust in the person you are teaching / being taught by.

My wife and her family are well versed in many of these subjects. I used to always dismiss many of her 'rituals', however over time I have been privy to many experiences that have altered my way of thinking about the universe.
 
^ its pretty obvious it was a joke...

this is a quote from a podcast from buddhistgeeks with alan chapman who is a magick teacher.

Generally, when people think about white magick and black magick it’s people performing magic or spells, if you like, for some kind of end that you can either describe as evil or good. Like, if you do a blessing for someone, that’s white magick. If you do a curse, that’s black magick. The distinction means if you are doing anything other than getting enlightened. If you are doing anything other than attempting to transcend what you’re already experiencing. If you’re not trying to get at the truth, or to experience God, or working with the Holy Guardian Angel, then you’ve strayed off the path. The you’re indulging something that is essentially just a distraction from what you should be doing. And I think that’s very similar to the Buddhist conception of working with the psychic powers, like you can get lost. Also with concentration states. You can get lost in all kinds of jhanas and become a jhana junkie. Or start messing around with psychic powers. And that’s really just a distraction from what you should really be doing with your practice. So the knowledge and conversation of the Holy Guardian Angel, that’s really when you begin to experience synchronicities, which is when events occur that have a similar meaning. Say you do a ritual to make some money. You will then have an experience outside of the ritual space where you will obtain some money, and it’s basically that they have the same meaning. If you do magick you will not experience… like a genie won’t pop up with a bag of cash and give it to you. It’s never outside of the realms of what you might call the objective world. It doesn’t break the laws of reality or anything like that. It’s basically about the meaning of an experience. And you can create experiences that have a particular meaning that you desire.

ive had a lot of fun reading this forum, especially Ona's practice log, to better understand magickal practices.
 
But u haven't seen enough to know that comment was in jest
the whole white/black thing is racist tho, but that's not ninaes fault
 
As I said, if it is a joke, use a smiley/emoticon. People can't see your face or hear your voice. And there are some extremely stupid people online.

Which is WHY I asked the question. Not my problem you chose to leave a bald statement with no indication of intent - that's your issue, not mine.
 
ur the one with the issue lol
idc what u think, that's UR issue pal
 
@JM16
I miss BBS's. I used to spend so much time on them; downloading stupid shareware and playing those god-awful door games.
My friend showed me one on his 2400 baud and I was hooked.
 
Well, I think white magic can be just as well natural as ceremonial. Like the way children come into the world with such a high consciousness and so much love and joy people line up to change their dirty nappies. I seem to remember that from my early childhood, I would make a strong impression on everyone everywhere I went, and didn't mind telling anyone what I thought of things either.
 
And it's called black/white because of the associations with spiritual light and darkness. It doesn't have anything to do with skin colour. That's only a physical/biological thing.

But anyway, if people understood that there wouldn't be any racism. If you have spiritual perception you can easily see darkness in light-skinned people and light in dark-skinned people.

You need to learn the vocabulary of energy then you won't be so confused.
 
@JM16
I miss BBS's. I used to spend so much time on them; downloading stupid shareware and playing those god-awful door games.
My friend showed me one on his 2400 baud and I was hooked.
I think part of it was a similarity of people - we were all different types but you had to be a bit of a tech-head to find them and get on. Ah, reminiscing... :D

@Ninae - yes I'm aware of the light/dark split in magic - I wasn't sure Abject was which is why I posted, but hey, I guess s/he showed me, huh? :D

I'm a bit divided on the magic thing. I'm not sure whether it actually is a thing or whether spells and incantations etc are simply a means of focus to let the Being do their thing. i.e. is there a 'force' or 'energy' we can tap into and use or is it the spiritual being stepping outside the Solid to do stuff?

I also wonder about the long gone past. There is more than enough evidence (for me anyway) to show there was once another civilisation and evidence also that they were far more spiritually oriented than we are. The quest for immortality of almost every early civilsation on our time track suggests they inherited at least some of the goals and focus from the earlier ones.

There's physical evidence as well, but another thread perhaps...

What I wonder is about The Fall of Man. There are suggestions that the Fall came after some people wanted personal power a little too much and they reached into wrong places to get it. I can't help wondering if maybe they reached DOWN instead of IN and wakened forces they couldn't control. Imagine if a higher self reached down and took some of us to the next level, as is? Yes we could probably deal with things Solid better than they can but if we took also our desires and motivations, how could they stop us if we decided to take over?

So I wonder if the Fall was into the elevation of the Solid above the Spiritual and we were mired before we realised what we were giving up. The Light energy or magic would be the power we can use when we act in accordance with a higher path, while the dark energy or magic would be when we choose the path of the Solid instead, the path made open by the lower beings who responded to that early call for power.
 
I believe in REAL magic, but not sure if there is good and bad (white and black) magic though, I think its probably all the same or originates from the same place.

What I dont understand though, is why in 2014, we havent heard of ANYONE even trying to make people believe they can do actual real magic of any kind...people will do anything to make a buck, and I think someone who can do real magic would try to take advantage of it, and try to get rich off it, but all the 'magicians' of today, the ones making big bucks anyway, are just using smoke and mirrors, using specialized tools and equipment to make it appear they are doing magic, when they really are not....strange to me NOT ONE single person has ever attempted to put on a REAL magic show...Id think people would pay big bucks to see this.

Im also surprised more people have not used real magic for personal gain, criminal purposes, etc.
 
Perhaps they have? If you CAN make your way using magic, why would you need to do it on TV or a stage? Wouldn't it be better to simply have banks hand you money on the quiet, or have CEO's tell you their plans so you can invest before the price goes up? Or maybe have people vote for you and place you at the top of a country even though you have the personality of a gnat and manners of a pig?
 
I think "The fall" came when humanity was given free will - and it didn't go as well as expected.
 
@Ninae - there's an Australian guy who has a number of books suggesting something similar to you, from a evolution standpoint. He thinks maybe the Fall was when we ceased being a 'group' being, such as we see with a gorilla family where the apparency is of a single entitiy with many bodies, and individuated out to having 'personal' desires and urges.

He thinks the giult of being separate from the group is what powered the Fall and much of our existence since then has been the war between wanting to return to the original innocence and justifying our 'Sin' of being apart and self-interested.

There's also a guy named Julian Jaynes who thinks god was originally our right hemisphere, which provided auditory 'hallucinatory commands when the normal behaviour was not sufficient to deal with day-to-day lives. He thinks this ceased about 1000BC, when 'god' went away and we became the whole-of-brain humans we are today.

Interesting perspectives...
 
Most seem to think you can just use the same methods as in black magic, just with better intentions.

Ummm, this is actually true.

There's no such thing as "White Magick".

That's the equivalent of someone asking to learn, "white science". Or someone asking to use a "white firearm". A gun is an inanimate object. Magical doctrines/symbols/formulas are inanimate pieces of data.

Putting "White" at the beginning of a word doesn't make it pure or somehow negate evil. Turning a Magical symbol upside down doesn't abrogate goodness.

Magicians and scientists alike, all follow the same laws, study the same practices/techniques, use the same formulas/equations and come to desired ends using the same data. Various spirits and entities used are of the same origin as the Magician. Magick doesn't deem an act evil or good. The Magician does.

"Intention" is literally the epicenter, heart, soul and flowing BLOOD of MAGICK!

Intention is more important than the ritual itself, it's more significant than the devices, symbols and techniques employed.

You're obviously just a naive dabbler. People like you have know business learning these practices.
 
Oh, it's not literally like that. You can try to contact angels and positive devas, for instance. Rather than demons/evil spirits/negative devas who are more into that kind of thing.

You're right it's mostly the evil way. That's why white magic is so elusive.
 
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