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I have come by enough Anavar for 8 weeks @ 80mg/day and oral Primo @ 100mg/day. I was wanting to add some test to the stack but wondered if the prop or a longer esther would be better? Any suggestions? Thanks. :)
 
test is test it dont matter homey

only real difference is pinning frequency.

for 8 weeks I'd lean toward prop since its a short cycle and test E takes a couple weeks at least to start stabilizing in your body. stable hormonal environment = where you make your gains.
 
I'd run a longer ester i.e cypionate, enanthate, and run the cycle for 12 weeks at least....You could alsways start the anavar and primo on the 2-3 week of the test cycle and then run it for 8 weeks..
 
just run the prop and var. I'm willing to bet you got ripped with the oral primo. 99% of oral primo is something else, and primo has almost no oral bioavailability.
 
Enth will bloat you into headache land. Prop much less so.

Also, when you get off enth you lose a great deal of water weight, with prop you will maintain a lot better. I don't like being deceived, so I stick with prop.
I also hear a random myth that enth is worse with gyno... well I just SEE more guys running enth getting gyno... vs prop.
But of course if your PCT is tight that shouldn't be a concern.

I still would prefer with anavar some prop, cause anavar is dry and so is prop. If you were doing d bol, I'd say go ahead cause you're gonna be bloated anyway. But I always try to avoid bloating.
 
Well hopefully I wont bloat as that is the reason I thought prop would be best. Im already lean < 10% so dont want to puff up much. Im currently using the Ud2 diet and training program by Lyle Mcdonald so I think any gains should be really lean. =D
 
how much test are you using? It all comes down to personal genetics how much of an AI you'll need. For me on about 300mg test + 200mg deca I need about 10mg aromasin ED.

primo is not an AI.
 
who told you that primo has AI property? Primo can dry you out because it is a DHT derivative.

dried out does not = AI

even though drying you out is one property of AIs (since lowering estrogen levels means lowered water retention
 
btw, how much test are you running? IMO I would run some aromasin no matter the amount. Even low dose test I run aromasin. Natural I would run aromasin. No reason not to optimize your test/estrogen ratio especially with aromasin since it does not negatively affect lipids and actually boosts IGF (unlike arimidex on both counts).
 
It´s also has a relatively high affinity for binding to the AR, actually binding better than testosterone (3). This ability to strongly bind to the AR may be why Primobolan is such a good "fat burner." Strong AR binding has been positively correlated with lypolysis (fat-burning) (8).

In addition, as this steroid can actually aid in reducing breast tumors, no ancillary products need be considered for use with Primobolan, and in fact, it may actually be a useful ancillary agent in it´s own right, similar to Masteron. Also, just like Masteron, Primobolan has no propensity to aromatize (convert to estrogen). Since it doesn´t aromatize, alot of the side effects commonly associated with estrogen will not be of concern. This means water retention, acne, and gyno will be non-existent more or less. this lack of water retention combined with the slow and steady gains provided by Primo may help to explain why it has earned a reputation for creating quality muscle gains. This also helps to explain why it is so expensive. Although estrogenic sides are not a concern, hair loss still, remains a very real concern with Primobolan, as with many DHT-Derived steroids. Many primobolan fans always include Finasteride and Ketoconazole (shampoo) in cycles containing Primobolan.


I havent even started yet. Just ordered the prop the other day. Thinking of 100mg/ml eod. Heard it hurts like a bitch so was maybe going to dilute it. Any suggestions?
 
no no no. sir. no.

if using primo on its own will shut down natural hormonal production. This will shut down of course natural estrogen production. IE dry you the fuck out (to the point of painful joints and no sex drive). This is what the article is suggesting. Its shit man to get your information from these inane steroid profiles on the net. They contain more 'bro-science' than not.

This does not mean if you are shooting a tenth of a gram of test every other day is going to stop it from aromatizing.

If anything you'll get more aromatizing test since there will be less receptor space for the free test to bind.

Use an AI.

why are you afraid of using an AI?

100mg test prop EOD is good but 50mg test prop ED is better (less sides).
 
Like I said i have most of my ancilleries on hand anyway. Got Adex, nolva and clomid but would like to get aromasin but cant get it. Also 0.5ml sounds good but this is my first time with pins and im not sure!
 
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if you got decently low bodyfat then you can pin prop with an insulin pin if you only doing .5-1ml a day. Delts, traps, lats, quads, calf, biceps, triceps I can all hit. If for some reason I want to hit my glutes then I get a 25g 1" pin for that since the .5" insulin pins cant get deep enough. Thats how I shoot my test/deca (everyday). I tend to shoot stuff everyday even test E after talking with a friend I greatly respect.

Guess what? My hairloss and acne GREATLY reduced once I started doing this!
 
Matsuo Munefusa. said:
if you got decently low bodyfat then you can pin prop with an insulin pin if you only doing .5-1ml a day. Delts, traps, lats, quads, calf, biceps, triceps I can all hit. If for some reason I want to hit my glutes then I get a 25g 1" pin for that since the .5" insulin pins cant get deep enough. Thats how I shoot my test/deca (everyday). I tend to shoot stuff everyday even test E after talking with a friend I greatly respect.

Guess what? My hairloss and acne GREATLY reduced once I started doing this!
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I really like the sound of this! Well im <10% b/f so do you think this would work for me? How can you tell if its working ok? I mean if I inject and it stays in i.e. no oil coming back out is that ok?
 
some oil might come out especially in really dense muscles like traps. probably more a sign you didnt relax the 'tone' (resting rate of contraction) in the muscle enough before injecting.

I mean its kinda obvious. If you have some padding over your muscles enough to not see striations then its gonna be a problem. For me I can run my fingers over the muscle and feel the grain very sensitively right underneath the skin. On muscles like traps, delts, biceps, triceps, quads. It will take a little experimenting for you.
 
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