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a lot of the 2c-g series sound miserable, dont some last for a few days? ugh whatever floats your boat
Which "Rare" Psychedelics Do You Want To Try?
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Tunnelfission
Bluelighter
I wouldn't mind trying shulgins DOM or STP in pure form to see what this "magical" number is about!
IGNVS
Bluelighter
2-desoxy-3c-c-hemifly (the s isomer)
if thats what you would call it...
if thats what you would call it...
fractal fountain
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Man, with all the variety of psychedelics out there, one might consider that trying too many of them might cause some problems. HPPD and anxiety are two major ones and some modifications might lead to unexpected and scary situations (like blackouts/intense body load).
But I guess that's why we exist, eh?
I just can't seem to understand the fascination between trying the '-fly' series ofo psychs, among others.
A question: I'd want something that's short and smooth, as many of my trips seem to last quite long. How would 4-ho-dipt work out?
But I guess that's why we exist, eh?
I just can't seem to understand the fascination between trying the '-fly' series ofo psychs, among others.
A question: I'd want something that's short and smooth, as many of my trips seem to last quite long. How would 4-ho-dipt work out?
IGNVS
Bluelighter
^that.. its not quite a fly..
by the way that site is great, you dont have to download anything
while im at it:
if your a cook, please make these
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atara
Bluelighter
Duration is part of why I'm interested.
the outsider
Bluelighter
I'm having trouble understanding some of those molecules, IGNVS. Correct me if I'm wrong at any point.
First one is DOC with the 2-methoxy replaced by a furan ring, fair enough. Why the 5-methyl though? I thought it was a methoxy/ethoxy group (or expanded into a furan/dihydrofuran ring) required for psychedelic activity? In other words, there has to be an oxygen, no? Then again we have 5-methyl MDA but that presumably is not a 5-ht2a agonist.
Second one is a DOB variant. Same problem with the 5-methyl. I've never heard of a 2,3-methylenedioxy ring on a psychedelic, maybe there's something to that, I dunno. 5,6-methylenedioxy might be interesting too.
3rd makes sense. It's a conformationally constrained analogue of 2C-G-3-NBOMe, sure that would be an active psychedelic. (though the stereochemistry is wrong I think, look at TCB-2).
4th seems pretty doubtful. Initially looks like an entactogen given the substitutions at the 3,4-position analagous to MDMA minus one oxygen. 5-methyl makes sense here. Idea of conformational constraint in an entactogen is interesting. Problem is though, all phenethylamine entactogens have an alpha-methyl group and yours doesn't so I'd put money on it being inactive.
Then again I'm not a pharmacologist and only did a year of undergrad chemistry. Input anyone?
edit: it's clear your stereochemistry is entirely random, let's ignore that.
First one is DOC with the 2-methoxy replaced by a furan ring, fair enough. Why the 5-methyl though? I thought it was a methoxy/ethoxy group (or expanded into a furan/dihydrofuran ring) required for psychedelic activity? In other words, there has to be an oxygen, no? Then again we have 5-methyl MDA but that presumably is not a 5-ht2a agonist.
Second one is a DOB variant. Same problem with the 5-methyl. I've never heard of a 2,3-methylenedioxy ring on a psychedelic, maybe there's something to that, I dunno. 5,6-methylenedioxy might be interesting too.
3rd makes sense. It's a conformationally constrained analogue of 2C-G-3-NBOMe, sure that would be an active psychedelic. (though the stereochemistry is wrong I think, look at TCB-2).
4th seems pretty doubtful. Initially looks like an entactogen given the substitutions at the 3,4-position analagous to MDMA minus one oxygen. 5-methyl makes sense here. Idea of conformational constraint in an entactogen is interesting. Problem is though, all phenethylamine entactogens have an alpha-methyl group and yours doesn't so I'd put money on it being inactive.
Then again I'm not a pharmacologist and only did a year of undergrad chemistry. Input anyone?
edit: it's clear your stereochemistry is entirely random, let's ignore that.
the outsider
Bluelighter
I wanna try propyl-dragonfly for a seriously long-lasting compound.
Blowmonkey
Bluelight Crew
With 2-3 hours it's short alright, but smooth? Maybe not so much. Small blurb from tihkal:
http://www.erowid.org/library/books_online/tihkal/tihkal17.shtml
the outsider
Bluelighter
Yeah but what psychedelics don't have a 'vague body malaise'?
Blowmonkey
Bluelight Crew
lol, good point. 
2C-C maybe.
2C-C maybe.
IGNVS
Bluelighter
sorry, your right the steriochemistry is wrong on the tcb like compounds, however on the first two they are meant to be the way they are.
let me explain.
the first one:
with dragonfly compounds the more active isomer is the 'r' isomer. this locks the "2,5" into the 2,5 instead of giving it the possibility a reverse looking orientation with there appearing to be oxygens at 3 and 6 opposed to 2 and 5. it seems a common theme with entactogens that there is an oxygen at the 3 position. also doses of most entactiogens and mescaline are over 100mgs. take 100 mgs of a dox and your toast.
if you look at the effects of some fly compounds we see entactogen proporties.
with the s isomer here it puts the oxygen at the 3 position, while keeping the ring. i take out the new "6" position methoxy and leave the "5" methyl to emulate any strange effect that it has as seen with 5-methyl mda (which is an extremely interesting compound when compared to mmda). hopefully we can explore any trends here. how is it that the small methyl group there gives potency and strong psychedelic action while keeping entactogen effects?
as for the chlorine, well lets stick with the "4 position is where the action is"... chlorine seems a more benign halogen as far as sketchy shivers go (this is speculation). of course the full range of halogens and other substituants should be tried here.
so i am going off of the possibility that the 3-methoxy, 4-halo, 5-methyl configuration could be both a great entactogen and strong psychedelic with a higher potency than 3,4-methylenedioxy amphetamines. i keep the furan ring to give a little bulk (its always nice doing the stoichiometry with yeild in mind when your molecule is of higher weight) and to restrict the carbon on the would be 3 methoxy group to see if it needs to be free or not for better result.
also i would like to say i have a feeling all s isomers of the dragonflies, while being less potent, will also have more euphoria and be far less toxic
for 2:
this is the other isomer, the one that should be stronger. here we see there is an oxygen at the 2 (as in the 2c's) and the 3 (in entactogens). im sure this will kick potency in the balls.
perhapse some of the trouble conceptualizing is in the way molinspire configures the molecule?
3:
guarenteed to be a winner.
look at the diference between 2cg and ganesha, the little atom does alot for it. im sure the nbome should do even more.
and from the trip reports on g3 from pihkal... the nuttiness and other worldliness of g3 makes me want to see what effect that ring will have in an nbome.
i read a trip report of tcb-2 describing "jewling"
both tcb and nbome are of high potency, which i assume to be synergistic here. balanced with the g3... should be interesting for sure.
i could be completely wrong. (as with any of these). but like the topic says, which would you like to try? well, this one.
4:
this was suposed to be the tcb version of 5-me-mda, but the drawing tool wouldnt let me add that extra oxygen for whatever reason. the current molecule looked interesting enough. even if it didnt act through the same mechanisms as the 5-me-mda, the tcb aspect should turn those substituants into something interesting.
i believe we would have something completely unpredictable here. and this is the one i would be most interested in trying.
..hmm but after looking back at the others... i cannot say that is true. it is interesting for its own reasons, as the others are.
like i said... if your a cook, PLEASE cook these
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let me explain.
the first one:
with dragonfly compounds the more active isomer is the 'r' isomer. this locks the "2,5" into the 2,5 instead of giving it the possibility a reverse looking orientation with there appearing to be oxygens at 3 and 6 opposed to 2 and 5. it seems a common theme with entactogens that there is an oxygen at the 3 position. also doses of most entactiogens and mescaline are over 100mgs. take 100 mgs of a dox and your toast.
if you look at the effects of some fly compounds we see entactogen proporties.
with the s isomer here it puts the oxygen at the 3 position, while keeping the ring. i take out the new "6" position methoxy and leave the "5" methyl to emulate any strange effect that it has as seen with 5-methyl mda (which is an extremely interesting compound when compared to mmda). hopefully we can explore any trends here. how is it that the small methyl group there gives potency and strong psychedelic action while keeping entactogen effects?
as for the chlorine, well lets stick with the "4 position is where the action is"... chlorine seems a more benign halogen as far as sketchy shivers go (this is speculation). of course the full range of halogens and other substituants should be tried here.
so i am going off of the possibility that the 3-methoxy, 4-halo, 5-methyl configuration could be both a great entactogen and strong psychedelic with a higher potency than 3,4-methylenedioxy amphetamines. i keep the furan ring to give a little bulk (its always nice doing the stoichiometry with yeild in mind when your molecule is of higher weight) and to restrict the carbon on the would be 3 methoxy group to see if it needs to be free or not for better result.
also i would like to say i have a feeling all s isomers of the dragonflies, while being less potent, will also have more euphoria and be far less toxic
for 2:
this is the other isomer, the one that should be stronger. here we see there is an oxygen at the 2 (as in the 2c's) and the 3 (in entactogens). im sure this will kick potency in the balls.
perhapse some of the trouble conceptualizing is in the way molinspire configures the molecule?
3:
guarenteed to be a winner.
look at the diference between 2cg and ganesha, the little atom does alot for it. im sure the nbome should do even more.
and from the trip reports on g3 from pihkal... the nuttiness and other worldliness of g3 makes me want to see what effect that ring will have in an nbome.
i read a trip report of tcb-2 describing "jewling"
both tcb and nbome are of high potency, which i assume to be synergistic here. balanced with the g3... should be interesting for sure.
i could be completely wrong. (as with any of these). but like the topic says, which would you like to try? well, this one.
4:
this was suposed to be the tcb version of 5-me-mda, but the drawing tool wouldnt let me add that extra oxygen for whatever reason. the current molecule looked interesting enough. even if it didnt act through the same mechanisms as the 5-me-mda, the tcb aspect should turn those substituants into something interesting.
i believe we would have something completely unpredictable here. and this is the one i would be most interested in trying.
..hmm but after looking back at the others... i cannot say that is true. it is interesting for its own reasons, as the others are.
like i said... if your a cook, PLEASE cook these
%)
the outsider
Bluelighter
Ah OK I'm understanding much better now.
Hitherto we've seen phenethylamine psychedelics with methoxy, furan and dihydrofuran groups around the ring (and ethoxy groups in the mysterious and elusive 'tweetios'...). You're essentially wondering if methylenedioxy and methyl groups might work as well. Well who knows! (Does anyone?)
As far as stereochemistry is concerned for molecules 1 & 2, it's a case of the R/S isomers being more or less active rather than active or inactive, gotcha.
Oooooh a TCB-2 trip report! I wasn't aware it had ever even left Nichol's lab. Got a link?
Before I read this I didn't even realise the DOx analogues of 2C-G compounds were in Pihkal, besides Ganesha. Great stuff.
To be honest, all the 2C-G and G- series compounds sound marvelous. Purveyors of such chemicals take note please!
Has anyone reading this ever tasted any of the 2C-G-x or G-x series?
Hitherto we've seen phenethylamine psychedelics with methoxy, furan and dihydrofuran groups around the ring (and ethoxy groups in the mysterious and elusive 'tweetios'...). You're essentially wondering if methylenedioxy and methyl groups might work as well. Well who knows! (Does anyone?)
As far as stereochemistry is concerned for molecules 1 & 2, it's a case of the R/S isomers being more or less active rather than active or inactive, gotcha.
Oooooh a TCB-2 trip report! I wasn't aware it had ever even left Nichol's lab. Got a link?
Before I read this I didn't even realise the DOx analogues of 2C-G compounds were in Pihkal, besides Ganesha. Great stuff.
To be honest, all the 2C-G and G- series compounds sound marvelous. Purveyors of such chemicals take note please!
Has anyone reading this ever tasted any of the 2C-G-x or G-x series?
IGNVS
Bluelighter
the amphetamine G's are not in pihkal i dont think... would be interesting
heres what i found a while back on the TCB-2.. it might be total garbage though, the guy dosnt sound legit at all
http://www.hipforums.com/newforums/showthread.php?t=380953&page=3
wow, reading that again i almost dont want to perpetuate it
heres what i found a while back on the TCB-2.. it might be total garbage though, the guy dosnt sound legit at all
http://www.hipforums.com/newforums/showthread.php?t=380953&page=3
wow, reading that again i almost dont want to perpetuate it
the outsider
Bluelighter
Yeah, that trip report...lol
http://www.erowid.org/library/books_online/pihkal/pihkal082.shtml
I think HPPD's a given for anyone prone to more than short-term pyschedelic experimentation. Don't see the problem with it though.
http://www.erowid.org/library/books_online/pihkal/pihkal082.shtml
I think HPPD's a given for anyone prone to more than short-term pyschedelic experimentation. Don't see the problem with it though.
fractal fountain
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^ Well, maybe not... but what about the anxiety? Some people have a bad time all the time...
Doublerainbowomg
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I would also love to get DMT and infact I was about to but when my friends and I went to the dealers house he only had a g left and wanted it for himself if I remember correctly.
I was so pissed lol but all in all I would say that even though I have already done acid a few times, I would definitely want to take at least 5 hits at once
Most I have done is 2
IGNVS
Bluelighter
ohh yeahhhh i remember now (been a while since i looked there) yeah i meant 2c-g-3 :/