Which pill would you recomend?

[shiznik]

i asked you in the other thread - (the outpress thread) - to substantiate some of your claims with proof. if there was anything to your claims, the substantiating them should be very easy. some more time has passed and still you either can't or won't. the conclusions start to look obvious...

I did substantiate my claim, in that thread, but you chose to ignore it. Here is it:

"I did a quick tally of all outpressed/cutout-outpressed pills published on ecstasydata.org from November 2004-present. I did not count duplicate publications of the same press twice, and if it was questionable as to whether or not the press would be considered an "outpress" I did not include it. There was no regional discretion - all locations were included. Caffeine was not considered an adulterant although it technically is.

Out of 52 outpressed pills included, 43 were adulterated, 30 of which with a piperazine (most commonly BZP and TFMPP). The frequency of piperazine tapered off in the publications pre-2006.

Of the 9 non-adulterated pills, only 2 of them were pure MDMA, and the others I included in this category were cut with caffeine (and one instance of procaine).

Keep in mind I wrote that this was a quick tally, and while I'm sure if you did this same exact thing (it took about 5 minutes) you may not get the exact same numbers that I did but your ratio of pure/adulterated outpresses would be a similarity of statistical significance.

I guess for my tally 83% of outpresses in the last 6 years were adulterated (96% if you include caffeine and procaine as an adulterant). If you think I was biased in this then go look for yourself. "

I don't want to further discuss anything with you because you have proven time after time that you simply don't know what you're talking about and can't hold your own in a discussion about MDMA. You can quote every paragraph in my posts and tell me I devalued them and that they have no substance, whatever, I'm done with you. I'm not trying to make a point "because I'm new to bluelight", I'm arguing with you because because you stubmle through all of these discussions with such ineptitude, raising so many red flags in my mind, it almost makes me forget how pointless it is to fight on the internet.

Also, your method to avoid the question of whether or not you'd buy a saint/fleur-de-lis was less than crafty. Everything you say about this undermines the premise of pillreports.com, which still leaves me wondering why you are in pillreports discussion.

 

[alasdairm]

Also, your method to avoid the question of whether or not you'd buy a saint/fleur-de-lis...

i didn't avoid the question - it's up there in black and white. here's what i wrote and what you missed (or chose to ignore...):

i would not buy it

...which still leaves me wondering why you are in pillreports discussion.

like it or not, my opinion in here as as valid as yours. no more, no less.

i invited you to discuss this without the personal insults. i am sorry you are unable or unwilling to do that. i agree that it seems we're done.

alasdair

 

[ThizzinG]

how r red 007 and yellow playboys??

 

[alasdairm]

^ the fact is that nobody here can tell you, with authority, how those pills are. you don't say where you are - a 'yellow playboy' in atlanta may be quite different from a 'yellow playboy' in boston, amsterdam or cape town.

indeed, even if you have a 'yellow playboy' and somebody else in your geographic area has a 'yellow playboy', there's no guarantee that they contain the same ingredients.

you can make a more educated guess by reading reports here and elsewhere but you're still guessing. wouldn't you rather know for sure? buy a test kit and know for sure.

alasdair

 

[RandomGuy123]

Put things into perspective alasdairm, if a pill has a notorious reputation for being a bad pill, then it's most likely the pill pressers won't be pressing that logo.
Make sense? Ok, now, you need to stop acting like Mazdan and get into the real world. Where decently educated people know that certain presses just mean bad news.
The guy asked which should he chose, he should chose the pill that is MOST LIKELY to be good.
He didn't ask what is inside... If he wanted to know he would've already bought a testing kit.

 

[alasdairm]

i stand by my comments and i direct you to post #12 for a straightforward explantion of the logic.

like shiznik, if you can't make your point without the insults and childish jabs, that speaks to the strength of your argument.

alasdair

 

[foxyloxy55]

My beef with Alasdairm's point is that he's basically saying that there is no point to Pill Reports. Yes, testing is the only way you can know for sure. I practice (I test every pill I get) and preach it (to the point where I'm sure people are sick of hearing "get a test kit" from me and others). Harm reduction is largely about reality though, and the reality is some people don't have test kits and won't get them. There's no harm in telling someone to avoid a pill press that has a bad reputation in that region, when they obviously aren't gonna test it. In my case, it saves me money, because I don't have a comfortable dealer relationship where I can test and return pills. I have to make buying decisions, and if I get a bad pill, I'm just out of money. You say you wouldn't make a purchase based on the press, and this example was already brought up, but if someone offered you a "saint" and you had to pay for it before you could test it, I KNOW you wouldn't buy it, just like anyone else who knows anything about current pill presses. There's just too large a chance it'd be fake. If testing is the only method of harm reduction that should be suggested because it's the only one that's 100% accurate, then Pill Reports shouldn't exist.

Again, I'm not saying you shouldn't test your pills, I'm not saying that you should believe everything people write on PR, I'm not saying that pill presses mean everything, but there are certainly regional trends that can be followed, and I will never see anything wrong with that. You live in California. I'm in New Hampshire. I can understand why you wouldn't be as nervous about wasting money on fake pills. There is nothing scientific about this, but I seriously think that if you bought 10 random pills in California, and 10 random pills in New York, you'd get way more fake pills in the New York batch. The quality (and when I say quality, I'm referring to the number that aren't real) of pills are low in these parts, and you will just be pissing money away if you make purchases without knowing about current presses trends. Believe me, I have thrown more pills in the garbage then I care to admit....

 

[Bearlove]

What is the point in guessing the contents of a pill? Whats the point of attacking a very respected member of the site when they point this out?

The simple fact of this matter - if your not testing then you do not know what your taking.

You can have two identical pills - one could pure MDMA - the other could be fake. Outpressed, impressed, quad stacked or novelty shaped.

Nobody on here can say that 'this' pill contains 'these' chemicals - you can guess based on what you know and have taken but to catagorically say that 'stars' are fake, ladies are ok is rubbish and counter productive (and missing the point of the site).

If everyone stopped guessing and started testing then the amount of piperazine / fake / adulterated pills on the street would reduce.

For all of you that have said 'Why would a presser use a well known 'fake' stamp'

Not every presser has dozens of stamps - I have seen just as many fake 'Rolex or Mitsubish or Dove or Smiley face' etc stamps as I have seen real and quality ones.

 

[Bearlove]

My beef with Alasdairm's point is that he's basically saying that there is no point to Pill Reports. Yes, testing is the only way you can know for sure. I practice (I test every pill I get) and preach it (to the point where I'm sure people are sick of hearing "get a test kit" from me and others). Harm reduction is largely about reality though, and the reality is some people don't have test kits and won't get them. There's no harm in telling someone to avoid a pill press that has a bad reputation in that region, when they obviously aren't gonna test it. In my case, it saves me money, because I don't have a comfortable dealer relationship where I can test and return pills. I have to make buying decisions, and if I get a bad pill, I'm just out of money. You say you wouldn't make a purchase based on the press, and this example was already brought up, but if someone offered you a "saint" and you had to pay for it before you could test it, I KNOW you wouldn't buy it, just like anyone else who knows anything about current pill presses. There's just too large a chance it'd be fake. If testing is the only method of harm reduction that should be suggested because it's the only one that's 100% accurate, then Pill Reports shouldn't exist.

Again, I'm not saying you shouldn't test your pills, I'm not saying that you should believe everything people write on PR, I'm not saying that pill presses mean everything, but there are certainly regional trends that can be followed, and I will never see anything wrong with that. You live in California. I'm in New Hampshire. I can understand why you wouldn't be as nervous about wasting money on fake pills. There is nothing scientific about this, but I seriously think that if you bought 10 random pills in California, and 10 random pills in New York, you'd get way more fake pills in the New York batch. The quality (and when I say quality, I'm referring to the number that aren't real) of pills are low in these parts, and you will just be pissing money away if you make purchases without knowing about current presses trends. Believe me, I have thrown more pills in the garbage then I care to admit....

I understand where your coming from - would I buy a outpressed transformer head without testing= NO. Why? because the majority of them are fake.

But to simply state that all 'transformers' are fake is wrong as we all know that isnt true - the same applies to all pills/contents

 

[Bearlove]

My beef with Alasdairm's point is that he's basically saying that there is no point to Pill Reports. Yes, testing is the only way you can know for sure. I practice (I test every pill I get) and preach it (to the point where I'm sure people are sick of hearing "get a test kit" from me and others). Harm reduction is largely about reality though, and the reality is some people don't have test kits and won't get them. There's no harm in telling someone to avoid a pill press that has a bad reputation in that region, when they obviously aren't gonna test it. In my case, it saves me money, because I don't have a comfortable dealer relationship where I can test and return pills. I have to make buying decisions, and if I get a bad pill, I'm just out of money. You say you wouldn't make a purchase based on the press, and this example was already brought up, but if someone offered you a "saint" and you had to pay for it before you could test it, I KNOW you wouldn't buy it, just like anyone else who knows anything about current pill presses. There's just too large a chance it'd be fake. If testing is the only method of harm reduction that should be suggested because it's the only one that's 100% accurate, then Pill Reports shouldn't exist.

Again, I'm not saying you shouldn't test your pills, I'm not saying that you should believe everything people write on PR, I'm not saying that pill presses mean everything, but there are certainly regional trends that can be followed, and I will never see anything wrong with that. You live in California. I'm in New Hampshire. I can understand why you wouldn't be as nervous about wasting money on fake pills. There is nothing scientific about this, but I seriously think that if you bought 10 random pills in California, and 10 random pills in New York, you'd get way more fake pills in the New York batch. The quality (and when I say quality, I'm referring to the number that aren't real) of pills are low in these parts, and you will just be pissing money away if you make purchases without knowing about current presses trends. Believe me, I have thrown more pills in the garbage then I care to admit....

You have missed the point - they are certainly not saying theres no point to PR. They are simply pointing out that in this thread that too many people are to quick to say that all 'this' pills = fake or all 'that' pill is real.

 

[alasdairm]

^ indeed.

There's no harm in telling someone to avoid a pill press that has a bad reputation...

i believe there is harm in that because it's part of the same conversation that also says, and obviously i am paraphrasing, "seek out this pill press because it has a good reputation".

others in the thread have made the point that telling people to avoid a pill press which is associated with bad pills is good hr. i.e. if you're not sure, it's better to avoid than take.

if i haven't made it clear, i agree with that

my point is simply an extension of that - unless you test your pills, you can never be sure based purely on imprint so why not just avoid all pills? then we're back at square one

it's not clear to me why shiznit and others feel they have to insult and attack me for simply making my case but i stand by my comments. foxyloxy55, i do appreciate your perspective - thanks for extending the discussion in a civil manner.

alasdair

 

[foxyloxy55]

What is the point in guessing the contents of a pill? Whats the point of attacking a very respected member of the site when they point this out?

The simple fact of this matter - if your not testing then you do not know what your taking.

You can have two identical pills - one could pure MDMA - the other could be fake. Outpressed, impressed, quad stacked or novelty shaped.

Nobody on here can say that 'this' pill contains 'these' chemicals - you can guess based on what you know and have taken but to catagorically say that 'stars' are fake, ladies are ok is rubbish and counter productive (and missing the point of the site).

If everyone stopped guessing and started testing then the amount of piperazine / fake / adulterated pills on the street would reduce.

For all of you that have said 'Why would a presser use a well known 'fake' stamp'

Not every presser has dozens of stamps - I have seen just as many fake 'Rolex or Mitsubish or Dove or Smiley face' etc stamps as I have seen real and quality ones.

BearLove, I have not attacked anyone. I don't believe I have said anything nasty to anyone in this thread (or on this site for that matter). I recognize that Alasdiarm has put a lot of love into this site. That doesn't mean I have to agree with him. If I have interpreted his posts correctly, he believes pills press is meaningless, and while I agree to a certain extent (logically, this statement makes sense) I don't believe they are 100% meaningless. I'm not talking about a guarantee here, but like I said current regional trends can be helpful when deciding what pills to purchase so that they can then be tested.

The purple G Ladies that are popular in the northeast right now are pipes. Is it possible that there is another purple g lady that is good? Of course there is, but given that the bad ones have recently flooded the area, anyone in the area is likely to get one of these when purchasing purple g ladies, currently anyway. I have personally tested a bunch of these from different sources. I'm not claiming that's scientific, but there are enough in the are to make it financially worth it to avoid the press right now. The OP asked which pill he should buy right now. In my experience, based on all the purple g ladies reports on PR, and the ones I have tested here, I would avoid them if I were him. He didn't seem like he was going to test them (and I agree... he should if he wants to guarantee a good clean dose) so I made an educated guess - I called it a "safe bet"- and I really believe it to be true.

I 100% agree that everyone should own a test kit, and if they did we wouldn't have this problem. Believe me, I tell everyone I know who eats ecstasy to get a kit, I help test pills for friends, I suggest people on PR and here get a test kit. I love my test kit, and I could never go without one again. But for those who don't have one, or won't (or can't) get one, I still don't see the harm in saying there's a shitload of bad purple g ladies going around, there's a damn good chance they are pipes, I'd avoid them.

 

[ColtDan]

test.