which opiate has worst wd's?

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which opiate do you think has the worst withdrawals?

heres my list from worstest to lightest:

1. methadone- i think most people who kick methadone have something else in their system like dope (h)


2. black tar heroin- muscle contractions omg kinda like a frog on a skillet

3. heroin

4. poppy pod tea- puked 40 times the first night

5. oxycontin- not that bad in my experience

Im sure other people have completely different experiences and would like to hear about them

has anyone had any terrible wd's from oc?
 
i've only had wd's from tar, i've always had enough pills to last me that i didn't have to wd but I've been on methadone for a few months now and haven't had to go without nor taken my take home early so I wouldnt know how bad the methadone wd's are but i've heard horror stories from people at the clinic and on here so it sounds worse than tar but what i dont understand is why do people with a pill habit get on methadone? they're jumping UP a few levels by getting on methadone not going down so yeah i've never understood that. Just seems much easier to deal with whatever wd's may come from vicodin, percs or even oxy's.
 
It has more to do with dose, frequency and length of use. Someone taking large amounts of vics (10+) several times a day is likely to have just as bad if not worse wds than some taking a few ocs thought the day. I've seen where some people have tapered off of a low dose of sub and claimed the wds were worse than their doc.
 
yeah i think methadone show better results for those on dope. ive done alot of reading and ive read about people that take methadone for life and i have thought about doing that. when i used to go to the clinic they would always have posters that say "the longer you take methadone the more likely a person is to get clean based on statistics" and i truly beleive that
 
OC arnt physically the worst wd, but mentally, cuz they are an antidepressant more than other opiates(id say) they have terrible terrible mental depression. The body hurts a lot when coming off them too, but not as much as heroin. I believe methadone probably has terrible WD's, maybe even the worst. I guess it depends how much you take. Fentanyl WD are hell because the tolerance gets to be so fucking high. I think I was eating like 1.5 100mcg patches a day at one point. I have a feeling pod tea would be horrible. Diladud wd were just like vicious for 3 days, but then went away. Heroin feels nasty as hell coming out, probably cuz its more crude than pharms(even though it was number 4)

Strangely enough, I have only puked like maybe 4x coming off opiates, and the sessions werent that long. One time I was puking all the way to the dealer though. I also never get the shits. Wtf is up with that? I've been at time where I had to dose every 4 hours or get sick too. So why no nausea or shits?

Honestly, I am scared shitless of Tramadol wd. I know of people who wd off like 2000mg of tramadol >< OUCH!!!! The physical ok..., but the depression. I can't even imagine.
 
methadone, by far....the pain, the shits, the spewing, hallucinating...delusions. sweats.

fuck, i could go on all day.

definiteley the worst, without a doubt
 
yea your definetly lucky cause i know some people who cant shat solid for months after werds. I think wd's are relative to the user and everyone experiences there different though i think there are alot of similarities such as extreme anxiety, muscle contractions(h), etc.

this might be a stupid question coming from someone who has used alot of dope but what is tramadol?
 
its this really weak ass opiate, just above codeine I think. Its synthetic, but it has all these anti depressant qualities to it. It would be a scary opiate to wd from because of how much it effects the happy chems in the brain. Id say its probably like 4-5x more anti depressing than oxy? If u have no tolerance atleast. But even when I had a tolerance, if I took tram, I would just get undepressed. It decreases seizure threshold at 300mg, but some fuckers go nuts and take 2000+mg anyway, and I honestly cant imagine the mental anguish they must feel if they CT.
 
please excuse my lack of capitals, my shift button is stuck from juice i spilled on it several days ago 8)

i was a chronic poppy tea user for years and i never got the puking! It surprises me how many people get this symptom and i never experienced it once even though i went through withdrawal countless times while in active addiction. i did experience hot/cold flashes, lethargy, sweating, a sense of doom and/or fear, headaches, insomnia, rls, yawning/stretching, bowel cramps and subsequent diarrhea.

actually thinking about the suffering that i went through helps to remind me how much better i'm doing now that i'm off :) the only other substance i've gotten withdrawals from was kratom and they were an absolute cakewalk compared to the long duration of poppy tea withdrawals. they only lasted from 24 - 48 hours and didn't make me a mess like poppy tea withdrawals had a way of doing.
 
Im pretty sure this has been done many times and there might even be a few open threads about it in other forums but for now i will allow it. If any other mod wants to close it or merge it with a existing thread they can find or anything feel free to do so.

I think that overall for me morphine would be the worst withdrawal. It doesent hit as hard or as fast as hydromorphone withdrawal but if you have a big habit and youve been using a long time the withdrawals can last a long ass time and can be very intense. I find the withdrawals to last almost 2 fucking weeks if my habit if high enough. I get nausea, diarrhea, vomiting, chills, severe stomach pain where it feels like someone stuck a blade into my guts, real bad cold sweats where it's like im a dripping sponge and of course that cold burn i feel on my skin. Not to mention that dirty feeling i get on my skin.

Hydromorphone would be the second worst withdrawal for me or maybe a tie with morphine it's hard to say as every withdrawal is different. I get basically all the same symptoms of opiate withdrawal as i do from morphine except it hits much quicker (6 hours give or take abit after my last shot usually) and instead of lasting almost 2 weeks it's more or less over in 5 days. It's pretty damn intense but since it's over faster it doesent seem as bad i guess.

Oxycodone is not as bad as coming off morphine or dilaudid for me and it's over after 5-7 days so it's not as long lasting as morphine withdrawal for me either. I also noticed that during oxy withdrawal i don't get hit with as many of the stomach problems as i do coming off morphine or dillys.

Thankfully even though ive been on fentanyl for long periods of time ive always had morphine, dilaudid or oxy to switch to coming off it so ive never had to CT it from that beast. Nor do i want to considering a friend of mine had a seizure cold turkying it from a 100 UG fentanyl patch she had been on for awile. So the thought of that kinda scares me.

its this really weak ass opiate, just above codeine I think. Its synthetic, but it has all these anti depressant qualities to it. It would be a scary opiate to wd from because of how much it effects the happy chems in the brain. Id say its probably like 4-5x more anti depressing than oxy? If u have no tolerance atleast. But even when I had a tolerance, if I took tram, I would just get undepressed. It decreases seizure threshold at 300mg, but some fuckers go nuts and take 2000+mg anyway, and I honestly cant imagine the mental anguish they must feel if they CT.

It has weaker opioid activity then codeine does actually but tramadol is a serotonin norepinephrine reuptake inhibitor so you will probably get SNRI withdrawals along with your opioid withdrawals. Kinda like if you came off cymbalta or effexor at the same time as you decided to come off codeine i guess. Ive come off effexor years ago and it was much worse then coming off opioids. Holy shit that was some awful shit for about 2 or 3 weeks 8o .

So if it's anything like that i never want to withdraw from tramadol. It's no good for the the pain i get anyway and it certainly doesent get me high so theres no point in me even taking the shit. Also since it's a SNRI and i have bipolar disorder the stuff often makes me manic and just kinda loopy. I have only taken it out of pure desperation when i didnt even have OTC codeine in the house :|
 
please excuse my lack of capitals, my shift button is stuck from juice i spilled on it several days ago 8)

i was a chronic poppy tea user for years and i never got the puking! It surprises me how many people get this symptom and i never experienced it once even though i went through withdrawal countless times while in active addiction. i did experience hot/cold flashes, lethargy, sweating, a sense of doom and/or fear, headaches, insomnia, rls, yawning/stretching, bowel cramps and subsequent diarrhea.

actually thinking about the suffering that i went through helps to remind me how much better i'm doing now that i'm off :) the only other substance i've gotten withdrawals from was kratom and they were an absolute cakewalk compared to the long duration of poppy tea withdrawals. they only lasted from 24 - 48 hours and didn't make me a mess like poppy tea withdrawals had a way of doing.

Yep SAME exact thing here.
Not only have I never vomited from tea during use or withdrawal but I can't recall getting much of any stomach cramps at all.
Another thing I can't stand is people actually complaining about the taste of pod tea. My pod tea barely has any taste at all except a slight earthy flavor and sweetness from the sugar. But I see people here claiming that theirs taste so foul it triggers a gag reflex/puking shortly after drinking it.

Maybe because I'm use to kratom being the worst tasting tea ever, but pods in comparison to kratom are a joke. Its just very mild imo.

The only time I'd really get stomach cramps too is if I ate food late at night and woke up in the morning then it would be largely due to the food really and not even the pods.

I do want to note also my first time cold turkeying from pods I got through it extremely fast. And this was after 2 years of use too so its why I assume I have an ultrafast metabolism. The physical wds were intense but also only lasted about 5 days, by day 6 most had subsided. And by day 10 this may sound weird but I felt 100%.

I never got hit with PAWS or anxiety, or 90% of the stuff people talk about the apparently lasts weeks after getting off them. It was very clean and quick, yet still very intense and painful.

But ultimately my point is I don't think its the drug as much as it is #1 the user and #2 their specific lifestyle. Lifestyle includes EVERYTHING like diet, sleep, activity levels, basically anything you do that can variate between person to person.
I've read people claiming their PHYSICAL poppy withdrawals lasted 14 days straight and it makes no sense to me. I was using as much as a person can possible use for a couple years, and like I said after day 5 about 95% of the withdrawals were gone.

So I believe its too dependent on the person using to really generalize about which of the harder opiates is hardest to get of. But obviously we can all assume codiene is a joke to stop. I remember using about 300mg a day for 4 weeks straight, stopping, and only feeling a bit of fatigue. While other people here would use that amount and make a thread crying about it.

It also depends on your frame of reference too. Like the first time you withdraw its bound to be horrific just because you've never experienced it before. Just wayy too many things to consider besides the name of the drug.
 
Suboxone tied with oxymorphone. With oxymorph i get sick the day after even if im not physically depent as opposed to other opiates, where i feel fine the next day as long as i havent been using for more than a week or so. While bupe may be easy to taper down with, it is pure hell trying to stop cold turkey. Jumping off at 2mgs was absolutely horrible for me.
 
does anyone else get sneezing fits when they first start to w/d? I sneeze like 5-6 times in a row like 10 times throughout the day...it's weird.
 
Yeah I get the sneezing fits too. Usually at least 4 or five in a row. Only a couple times a day for me though. While on opiates I probably sneeze a few times a year if that.Definitely weird.
 
Well it most likely has to do with the histamine release as doesn't that affect allergies and allergic reactions?
I know just when I get a cold (have one right now actually) and if I'm sneezing a lot due to the cold taking an opiate makes it much easier for me the breathe.
It also stops the sneezing completely.

So when you stop, your body prob produces more histamine which makes you more sensitive to things in the air. All I know is anti-histamines like diphenhydramine which I would assume block histamine, also open up your nasal pasages. So I'd have to assume that withdrawing off opiates has a pro-histamine affect which in turn leads to a lot of sneezing.

I'm on a taper right now AND I have a cold I've been sneezing at least 50times a day it seems. At one point my nose was so itchy I wanted to rip it off my face. But maybe that might clear up some things.
 
Honestly, I am scared shitless of Tramadol wd. I know of people who wd off like 2000mg of tramadol >< OUCH!!!! The physical ok..., but the depression. I can't even imagine.

Oh man, Draigan, Tramadol CAN INDEED be really, really bad to come off. Back in the 90's I was totally addicted to trams- taking like 500-600 mg every damn day for like 1.5 years. I can't describe the depression I went through coming off that habit. I'm talking mind warping sadness...
 
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