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Which of the Trichocereus cactus is more potent?

I do think that it feels noticeably different than other cacti - I'd assume there is a larger range of active alkaloids (some have speculated MAOI activity, I'm not sure about this though). The trip felt more intense, slightly more serious on the come up (in a profound way) but with all of the wonderful mescaline loved up-ness at the plateau. I'd say 5-6' is an exaggeration... it's not THAT more noticeably potent than san pedro or torch, I took 12 inches for my first time and it was quite a magical trip, and this was before I had significant psychedelic experience. I'd say 8-10 inches would be a good starting point for most people, and 12 inches seems fine to me for those with a lot of experience.
 
I've been planning on growing one or the other from seed in the yard.

Growing from seed takes a long time, but it's awesome to watch the small cacti grow! I've got a few Bridgesii seedlings now that are slowly coming along, it's not warm enough year round for me to keep them outside so their growth definitely slows down in the winter.

I also think Bridgesii is more powerful than San Pedro, the comeup is faster too. A 12" by 3" cutting is a beautiful experience. I get a lot more depth perception distortions than with San Pedro, which gives a lot more 'flowing' type visuals.
 
^My San Pedros and Peruvian Torch typically grow 1-2 feet per year, which isn't too terribly slow. I've never done it from seed though (planning on starting soon), I imagine the little ones take a while before they get to the size where they grow fastest, which ime is 1-3 feet.

I grow a bunch of succulents, most of them for decoration, just cause I love them. My San Pedros are by far my favorite, not because I can get high on them but because I just love to be around them, I'm not a metaphysical type person but when around them I feel like I'm getting positive energy (I'm sure it's all in my head, but still), I love to just hang out near my San Pedros. They really are beautiful plants.

I've never tried Bridgesii, ya'll fine folks have just added something to my to do list =D
 
LOL my San Pedro grows about 3-4" per year, but it is in a Northern climate.

I sort of expect this San Pedro to be at least double potency of the average San Pedro by now, as I've had it in these non-ideal conditions for about 10 years. (and it was pretty strong when I first obtained it, too). Pedros seem to build up more Mescaline in response to less-than-ideal growing conditions.

Thanks for the reply IAmMe90... I will probably start low with Bridgesii if I ever do get around to trying it. But that's because I've grown soft over the last couple years ;)
 
I was always under the impression that Peruvianus was more potent than Pachanoi, but I just read this: A Look at the Mescaline Content of T. peruvianus and T. pachanoi

Considering these findings I'd personally go with San Pedro, since the spines are much smaller than T. Peruvianus', thus making it easier to prepare. Speaking of which, I wouldn't go with a tea, since drinking it would be nasty and may lead to vomiting. Both of my successful attempts at using T. Pachanoi involved these steps:

1) remove the spines without removing too much of the meat, discard
2) peel off the tough, waxy skin (also without removing too much of the meat)(takes a while, but it's part of the experience) and discard
3) cut the core away from the meat and discard it
4) blend the meat thoroughly in a blender until it becomes a voluminous, slimy foam
5) transfer slimy foam to a cooking pot, optionally adding some lemon juice
6) boil on low until mixture is no longer a foam, and most of the water has evaporated
7) transfer to a cookie sheet and bake in oven at low heat until you are left with a small amount of a baby food-like substance
8} swallow in small amounts, tossing it as far behind your tongue as possible and chasing with a bite of bread each time

I have never thrown it back up using this method, but I was careful not to eat or move around much until the effects were coming on strongly. It's a wonderful cactus; I'd love to try it again. Unfortunately, San Pedro doesn't grow too well at my elevation (not without a greenhouse, anyway) :(
 
I was always under the impression that Peruvianus was more potent than Pachanoi, but I just read this: A Look at the Mescaline Content of T. peruvianus and T. pachanoi

Considering these findings I'd personally go with San Pedro, since the spines are much smaller than T. Peruvianus', thus making it easier to prepare. Speaking of which, I wouldn't go with a tea, since drinking it would be nasty and may lead to vomiting. Both of my successful attempts at using T. Pachanoi involved these steps:

1) remove the spines without removing too much of the meat, discard
2) peel off the tough, waxy skin (also without removing too much of the meat)(takes a while, but it's part of the experience) and discard
3) cut the core away from the meat and discard it
4) blend the meat thoroughly in a blender until it becomes a voluminous, slimy foam
5) transfer slimy foam to a cooking pot, optionally adding some lemon juice
6) boil on low until mixture is no longer a foam, and most of the water has evaporated
7) transfer to a cookie sheet and bake in oven at low heat until you are left with a small amount of a baby food-like substance
8} swallow in small amounts, tossing it as far behind your tongue as possible and chasing with a bite of bread each time

I have never thrown it back up using this method, but I was careful not to eat or move around much until the effects were coming on strongly. It's a wonderful cactus; I'd love to try it again. Unfortunately, San Pedro doesn't grow too well at my elevation (not without a greenhouse, anyway) :(

Bridgesii is by FAR easier to despine than pachanoi. The spines are smaller on a pachanoi, certainly, but they are numerous and closely positioned which makes them harder to carve out and the process is more time consuming. Bridgesii has (fewer) long spines with greater distance intervals between them, making them easier to carve out, plus there are less of them to deal with.
 
I've only had the torch so far but next time (in a few weeks) I'm going to try san pedro. 10 to 15 inches should be a good amount for your first time, depending on how adventurous you're feeling. Really, this substance won't hurt you the way others can. Almost everyone remains very clear-headed and in control. It's a journey, but it's a lot more sober than acid or mushrooms.

I'm going to take 24 inches next time, though my only experiences so far have been mild, but I don't mind blasting myself this time. I suspect my former experiences were mild because I only boiled the cactus for 3 to 5 hours. Try giving it 12+ hours to soak all the mescaline out of the pulp, adding water periodically.
 
Which cactus is most potent?

the 3 cacti that i'll be choosing from all have the same cost per gram of powder or dried flesh i'm not sure (plus tax) what is generally the most potent and thus cheapest?
and forgive my ignorance but is mescaline the only active substance in these cacti? if not what else is in them? and going to go to erowid and the like for more info. but i find i best absorb information through little anecdotes so please share.

Peruvian Torch Cactus / Trichocereus peruvianus
Cuzco cactus / trichocereus cuzcoensis
- San Pedro Cactus / Echinopsis pachanoi
 
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I liked Achuma the best, although I guess you haven't listed that one. They all have slightly different alkaloid compositions. Out of all the extractions I did, Peruvian Torch gave me the cleanest product with the least fats.
 
Depends on the genetics/environmental conditions the cactus was raised in. All those cactus vary widely from inactive to very active between different cuttings of the same type. Its said by many, and i tend to agree that achuma (bridgesii) is consistently more potent. That's to say most bridgesii is at least decently active most of the time. Its more of a crapshoot with the other ones (pedro, torch, cuzcocenesis, etc). But I've not seen any evidence to back that claim up, it does fit my experience with torch, pedro, and achuma though. I've had bunk pedro and torch, but never bridgesii. That doesn't mean theres not crazy potent torch or pedro, its just more varied than with bridgesii. In trout's notes theres a report of an analysis on a pedro that had 5% by dry weight. That's highly atypical though.
 
this is from canada so i can safely assume they were raised indoors or in a green house. let's assume they were raised properly and weere well fed and taken care of.


and wouldn't the species and strains vary, but the cuttings are basically the same? i thought the cutting were like cannnabis a 'clone' of the original and if given the proper growing enviroment they produce almost indistinguishable cacti?
 
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No asking what to take, so I've edited things a bit to be within the scope of the rules.

is mescaline the only active substance in these cacti

See some of the above info, since I've just merged some threads. Basically, no.

and wouldn't the species and strains vary, but the cuttings are basically the same? i thought the cutting were like cannnabis a 'clone' of the original and if given the proper growing enviroment they produce almost indistinguishable cacti?

Yeah, but who keeps track of what cactus is cloned? Nobody. And the ones chosen would be for purely ornamental/cultivation reasons, they've got no eye for alkaloid content. So it's pretty much impossible to talk about that stuff, and most discussion is limited to the species as a whole.
 
can you go deeper than basically, no? I've researched myself but i like to know what others know
the people who do the cutting would keep track , if a had a nursery of any kind strawberries, bananas, weed, cacti i'd have every species and clone of that species/strain marked and individually labelled.

People have been growing cacti for non-religious hallucinogenic use for a while now. Obviously some nurseries aren't aware of the awesome properties their san pedro, etc. cacti have. but i'd wager most places selling 4 cacti should have at least at least a little awareness and those are the places most of us buy cacti online.
 
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^Well you can ask then. But you'd have to do all the analysis to determine the unique properties of each, and their desirability for our kind of pursuits. Also don't forget there isn't some centralized accurate database for these things, there will be redundancies and inaccuracies all around (look up some time all the trouble that has gone into determining what's what in grape vines, and the work continues. There isn't that kind of technological expertise and money finding that out with common ornamental plants. Unless we're talking roses or orchids or somesuch).
 
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