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Which drugs work best to induce ego loss, and how to they differ?

Symmetrical Daze

Symmetrical Daze

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This topic is not limited to drugs that induce complete ego loss. Discussions f substances that induce partial ego loss are also welcomed.

The psychedelics that could fit in this category (of substances that induce partial or full ego loss) that i tried are mushrooms, lsd, 5-meo-dmt, salvia, nitrous, k and maybe 2c-i (ego-reduction at least).

I think the best of these to induce ego loss is LSD. When i say best I mean which is likely to be the least uncomfortable and or most exciting. LSD has taken me to new worlds completely. Once, I became a bacteria, forgetting my complete existance as a human and the english language, etc. I was swimming blissfully but something about the body I had was very weird (of course) but this was my life and always had been. When you stop thinking in words, it is incredible just like the experience.

I think mushrooms could probably do the same thing to the mind, like most active tryptamines might be able to do, but I had always been more content on cid than say, 5-meo-dmt which shocks the life out of me.

I have never had a real breakthrough on salvia so I can't say for sure if it would cause true ego loss, but from reading reports it seems like high doses would. At pre-breakthrough doses (for me), I feel weird and as if reality is changing, not me.

I have had a good bit of ego loss on nitrous, especially at the dentist once or twice, when they were busy and left me on it for a long time. Inhaling whippets used to blow me out of this world, but now they are much less intense, maybe cause i have grown up, or got some kind of tolerance.

K never gave me much ego loss, even in a k-hole. It was very weird but I still knew partially who I was.

2C-I and 2C-B can give me a confusion feeling, a feeling of partially "forgetting" who I am. These magical drugs can also give me revelations as to how to change things about myself. I think most would agree though, tryptamines are much better at producing ego loss.
 
Being K-holed and N,N DMT are the substances that I achieve a complete ego loss, meaning that i'm aware of the out side world but have been taken away from it and the only knowledge Im left with is that 'I Exist'..
 
Well this is a neat topic. So I'll chime in and talk about the drugs I've done and their effects on my ego =)

DXM is certainly king in my book when it comes to ego disillusion. Although I'd have to say my sense of self does not so much vanish as become shifted. For example, on DXM I've travelled back in time and become a brick in a road in ancient Rome. I've flown through electric grid-like cosmic "levels" (no good way to explain this) at warp speeds. I've become a flaming chariot racing around the sun. During these, and similar experiences, I probably *could* remember who I really was, but its a whole lot more fun to go with the flow and forget for a little while.

LSD seems to strengthen my ego, but I've never had a large enough dose of acid to judge its true potential.

Mushrooms can strengthen or soften my ego. One minute I may feel like I am of extreme importance, and an essential part of the electric-snowflake of life =D but the next minute I could completely lose my body and enter into a deep conversation with a section of the ceiling.

AMT was interesting. I was very aware of my ego, but incapable of acting like I normally would. So during my AMT experience I spent some time reflecting on the state of my ego under normal conditions. So I guess I was being pulled away from my ego, but the entire time I was aware of this happening.

LSA was kind of similar to AMT in the way that I was aware of my ego, but found it easy to ignore it. This sometimes manifests itself in people acting with completely different and strange personalities on LSA, in my experience.

I would say that nitrous dissociates me to the extent that its hard to think about such things like having a body and who I normally am. I don't know if that's true ego loss or just being really fucked up.

MDMA is a great ego-softener, as *you* become less important and its easy to empathize with everyone around you. Therefore *we* and *us* are the focus.

Mescaline was an interesting one. My ego was softened the entire time, although not to the extent of MDMA. But there were times when I was sitting outside in the breeze when I felt like the song was true... "All we are is dust in the wind." It was compelling, but easy to snap out of.

2C-I left my ego mostly in tact, kind of like a confused cross between mdma and mescaline. But I'm sure this chemical has more potential than I got out of it the first time.

I've never had a breakthrough on Salvia either, and my sub-breakthrough experiences didn't have much effect on my ego.
 
Only LSD, 5-MeO-DMT, and ketamine have caused complete ego-loss for me. None of the others have been able to push me that far. At least in the dosages I use.

With LSD, the loss of ego is gradual. With 5-MeO-DMT it is instant. With ketamine, it is within 15 minutes (when taken by IM injection.)
 
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sb twelve said:
A DPT+K combo should do the trick quite well.
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It does! :) There is a very special synergy between these two, especially when they are both taken by IM injection at the same time. In fact, I think the synergy between DPT and ketamine is even greater than that of LSD and ketamine.

My one ketamine/DPT combo experience was probably the furthest into the depths of nothingness I've ever gone with any synthetics. I took 45 mg of DPT with 120 mg of ketamine via IM injection.

Only 5-MeO-DMT (a natural substance) has pushed me further.

Note:Of course all standard disclaimers apply. I do not recommend anyone do these things because they are dangerous and you could wind up on the street giving handjobs for crack. At least that is what they told me.
 
As of right now the only experiences I've had with this are those with Salvia, 4th plateau DXM trips, and Ketamine experiences. I long to experiment with Tryptamines and Phenethylamines.
 
twominds said:
Being K-holed and N,N DMT are the substances that I achieve a complete ego loss, meaning that i'm aware of the out side world but have been taken away from it and the only knowledge Im left with is that 'I Exist'..
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surely, if the concept 'I' remains, this can't be viewed as ego-loss?

between this and the other thread, i have to admit i'm still a little confused by the concepts. ego-loss seems to be something of a catch 22. does anybody have any pointers to recommended articles which discuss and define the term?

alasdair
 
I think the term "ego loss" might be at fault. Even shamans didn't nescessarily seek ego-loss through ecstasy.

As far as I can tell, the modern use of the term "ego loss" is the same as saying "I got so fucked up I didn't even remember who, where, or what I was!"
 
bluedolphin said:
As far as I can tell, the modern use of the term "ego loss" is the same as saying "I got so fucked up I didn't even remember who, where, or what I was!"
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No, what you describe sounds like what happens when you drink too much alcohol.

Most people who have the experience of ego-loss through a psychedelic come back the next day feeling reborn and generally have a greater appreciation for the gift of life and feel more connected to people and the universe in general.

A night of heavy drinking results in nothing more than a hangover and one questioning why they drank so much.

Again, ego-loss is difficult to understand if one has not experienced it first-hand.
 
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I think you missed my point --- that is exactly what happens when you drink too much alcohol, but it seems like there is widespread confusing that this is what ego loss is basically like.

Part of the problem, I think, is the failure to distinguish between different types of "ego loss" and calling them all simply "ego loss".

For example, dissociative/psychedelic ego loss is much different than tryptamine ego loss, and they are both different than phenethylamine ego-softening (or possible ego loss).

I don't know if my point is clear or not.
 
bluedolphin said:
For example, dissociative/psychedelic ego loss is much different than tryptamine ego loss, and they are both different than phenethylamine ego-softening (or possible ego loss).

I don't know if my point is clear or not.
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Psychedelic and dissociative-induced ego-loss are different but I think the 5-MeO-DMT and ketamine experience have much more in common with each other than getting shit-faced drunk on alcohol and waking up in a hotel bush. At least they do for me. I think your point is quite clear, I am simply stating mine. :)
 
Dxm initiating complete extroversion, not so that the ego is lost or dissolved, but that the entire focus of the self is removed completely to which the mind becomes clear of all but the surroundings. At this point, it is possible to act without consent of any conscience if not totally impulsively. Probably the closest thing to functioning as a much simpler animal, albeit a pretty functional memory.
 
May have been mentioned, but DXM will obliterate the ego at around the 3rd plateau. Lecithin (a choline precursor) also can potentiate DXM's action and thus the depersonalization.
 
the ones i find have worked for me for forgetting just who or where i was include: 2ct7, dpt, methylone, nitrous, dxm, and mdma. alcohol also works to an extent but its usually not as pleasurable with that much nausea. i guess 5meodmt works too, its just pretty boring after awhile.
 
I believe that true ego-loss shows you that there is no you. There is no we. There is no I. There just is. Things just flow. In and out, everything and nothing, it's all the same.

When you get a true and clear view of said-fact above, I believe THAT is the true "point" of ego-loss.

When you just know.
 
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