• Philosophy and Spirituality
    Welcome Guest
    Posting Rules Bluelight Rules
    Threads of Note Socialize
  • P&S Moderators: JackARoe | Cheshire_Kat

Where and how do you seek God? Or are you an idol worshiper?

Gnostic Bishop said:
If you do not seek a higher ideal than what we now have then I would question your social conscience.
Click to expand...

One should never assume, you'll only make an ASS of U and ME. First, there's a bait and switch in your argument. Your OP talks about seeking god but this ^ post is talking about seeking a higher ideal. Those are two different things. I do not seek god but I do walk and talk a life of trying to create a higher ideal at the expense of my own health. This is where you make a huge assumption about me. You say you question my social conscience. Well my current career is as a social worker. I spend all day every day busting my ass to help other people meet a higher ideal. Maybe you volunteer somewhere and that's great, but helping other people less fortunate than oneself on a daily basis is what I do.

If you have settled for what is, then you idol worship what is, defects and all.
Click to expand...

There's another assumption. My job is literally to help people make the best of what is. To help them get out of what is and try to achieve what can be. I do not accept what is. Believe it or not, there are people in this world who strive for a higher ideal for themselves and others and they do it because it is the right thing to do, not because some fucking apparition told them to do it.

You did not like that I put two camps yet you did not show a third.
Click to expand...

It's your thread, I'm hear to call you on your bullshit not add my own.
 
Jerry Atrick said:
One should never assume, you'll only make an ASS of U and ME. First, there's a bait and switch in your argument. Your OP talks about seeking god but this ^ post is talking about seeking a higher ideal. Those are two different things. I do not seek god but I do walk and talk a life of trying to create a higher ideal at the expense of my own health. This is where you make a huge assumption about me. You say you question my social conscience. Well my current career is as a social worker. I spend all day every day busting my ass to help other people meet a higher ideal. Maybe you volunteer somewhere and that's great, but helping other people less fortunate than oneself on a daily basis is what I do.



There's another assumption. My job is literally to help people make the best of what is. To help them get out of what is and try to achieve what can be. I do not accept what is. Believe it or not, there are people in this world who strive for a higher ideal for themselves and others and they do it because it is the right thing to do, not because some fucking apparition told them to do it.



It's your thread, I'm hear to call you on your bullshit not add my own.
Click to expand...

I see.
So you will just shout that I am wrong without showing the right, indicating that you do not know it.
Go away fool.

Regards
DL
 
Gnostic Bishop said:
I see.
So you will just shout that I am wrong without showing the right, indicating that you do not know it.
Go away fool.

Regards
DL
Click to expand...

Whatever dude. You haven't answered any of the questions I've asked you in this thread. Looks like you either don't know the answer or you know you're wrong. BTW those are your only two choices, fool.
 
Gnostic Bishop said:
How do you interpret or read he shall rule over you?

Seems to me that literal reading or reading it as metaphor or esoterically would be the same meaning.

Regards
DL
Click to expand...

You have to submit to something. Can one ever truly be a free agent? We only have laws that reflect 'sins' the freedom to kill is not the same thing as justice (I.E. having a ruling force).

Esoterically we submit to a higher law and principle than ourselves albeit the Republic or Communism --it is that high ideal which makes us humbly submit our place in the cosmos/the order of things/History. I would ask you, as a Gnostic, how you would reclaim Free Agency without submission to some higher authority? (personified or not)

*I would also take it a step further and refer you to my comment earlier about it being an Eternal Dialectic for which its sole purpose is to posit a high ideal without ever getting too close to achieving the fantasy in its totality. So for instance Christ was nothing more than a dissenter of public discourse. His figure represents this quite well. Although he was "A son of Man" (which was later translated to "The Son of Man") he held close to his highest ideals but He knew his place was on the cross. Which preaches a sort of modest model of how to live while still living the dialectic. Message being Passion is all there is in life, what we do to change things for the better, is Being in the Holy Spirit. This is why we can never truly be Free Agents --we get too close to our fantasies. We would dive into anarchism or nihilism.
 
Last edited:
Where do I seek God? Anywhere really. If I had to put a physical location to where I seek God more, anywhere I'm with fellow believers in worship. However, in nature, plants, animals, space, the sky, stars, art, all the universe and creation reminds me of God. How do I seek God? In prayer, prostration, praise, in fellowship with others. Reading scripture. Gospel music is especially powerful in helping me seek God. Singing songs of Jesus, my Lord and my God.
 
Shrooms00087 said:
You have to submit to something.
Click to expand...

You need not submit to anything you do not wish to submit to.
Can one ever truly be a free agent?
Click to expand...

Within the bounds of nature, yes.
We only have laws that reflect 'sins' the freedom to kill is not the same thing as justice (I.E. having a ruling force).
Click to expand...

True. I think. I do not like the wording.
Esoterically we submit to a higher law and principle than ourselves
Click to expand...

I do not agree.
To a Gnostic Christian, even after apotheosis, will see himself as the supreme entity on earth.

albeit the Republic or Communism --it is that high ideal which makes us humbly submit our place in the cosmos/the order of things/History.
Click to expand...

Only a fool would be humble. Do you have any idea of the chances of you being born in the first place? Take a bow.

I would ask you, as a Gnostic, how you would reclaim Free Agency without submission to some higher authority? (personified or not)
Click to expand...

Recognize that there is nothing greater than yourself.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=alRNbesfXXw&feature=player_embedded
*I would also take it a step further and refer you to my comment earlier about it being an Eternal Dialectic for which its sole purpose is to posit a high ideal without ever getting too close to achieving the fantasy in its totality. So for instance Christ was nothing more than a dissenter of public discourse. His figure represents this quite well. Although he was "A son of Man" (which was later translated to "The Son of Man") he held close to his highest ideals but He knew his place was on the cross. Which preaches a sort of modest model of how to live while still living the dialectic. Message being Passion is all there is in life, what we do to change things for the better, is Being in the Holy Spirit. This is why we can never truly be Free Agents --we get too close to our fantasies. We would dive into anarchism or nihilism.
Click to expand...

Gnostic Christians are perpetual seekers. Even if we have an apotheosis, we are to raise the bar of excellence and ideals and keep seeking. If not then we would become idol worshipers which is basically what Christians ands Muslims are.

Anarchism and nihilism are not of concern. That will never happen as man knows that he is a rule maker and rule followe. We enjoy order.

Regards
DL
Click to expand...
 
Tromps said:
Where do I seek God? Anywhere really. If I had to put a physical location to where I seek God more, anywhere I'm with fellow believers in worship. However, in nature, plants, animals, space, the sky, stars, art, all the universe and creation reminds me of God. How do I seek God? In prayer, prostration, praise, in fellowship with others. Reading scripture. Gospel music is especially powerful in helping me seek God. Singing songs of Jesus, my Lord and my God.
Click to expand...

Everywhere except where Jesus teaches us to look for him. I am not surprised as the church does not teach what Jesus did. Your bible does though.

I just put a link in the last post. Please have a look with these in mind.

Galatians2:20 I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christliveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith ofthe Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me.

Matthew6:22 The light of the body is the eye: if therefore thine eye be single, thywhole body shall be full of light.

John 14:23Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: andmy Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode withhim.

Luke 17:21Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for, behold, the kingdom of Godis within you.

Romans8:29 For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to theimage of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.

You say that you see God in nature.

Do you see God's perfect works or do you see a system with flaws?
Deuteronomy32:4
He is theRock, his work is perfect:

=========================

Have a thought exercise and tell me your thoughts.
I like to use the term evolving perfection for nature. Otherwise, aperfect God or nature becomes a stagnant pool of information and our souls andconsciousness as a part of that perfection would be useless to the universe.

Evolving, the perfection of whatever God and nature was, to whatever Godand nature will be, means we have to think this way, unless you see God assomehow losing his initial perfection. This is not allowed in a perfect God’s or natures repertoire.

When this was written, most thought it to just be a cynical view of lifebut I think it is quite true and irrefutable, based on the anthropic principleand pure logic.

What do you think?

Candide.
"It is demonstrable that things cannot be otherwise than as theyare; for as all things have been created for some end, they must necessarily becreated for the best end.”

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zPClzIsYxvA

This is done by nature and not a God but would be a requirement of a Godif he were real.

Regards
DL
 
Gnostic Bishop said:
Everywhere except where Jesus teaches us to look for him. I am not surprised as the church does not teach what Jesus did. Your bible does though.
Click to expand...

Prayer isn't connecting with God? Fellowship with others isn't? Songs aren't? Jesus prayed. Jesus had fellowship. Jesus sang. Just a few examples. In the book of Acts the disciples broke bread and communed on a regular basis as the Lord instructed them. I know the scriptures that say it is Christ who lives in me. I know God dwells within me when I open up to him via prayer, praise, worship, communion, song, service, etc. That being said, Jesus didn't focus on serving himself, he focused on serving others to glorify God. He encouraged us to love others and serve one another, not serving self. What I said I believe to be Biblical, if not show me otherwise.
 
Tromps said:
Prayer isn't connecting with God? Fellowship with others isn't? Songs aren't? Jesus prayed. Jesus had fellowship. Jesus sang. Just a few examples. In the book of Acts the disciples broke bread and communed on a regular basis as the Lord instructed them. I know the scriptures that say it is Christ who lives in me. I know God dwells within me when I open up to him via prayer, praise, worship, communion, song, service, etc. That being said, Jesus didn't focus on serving himself, he focused on serving others to glorify God. He encouraged us to love others and serve one another, not serving self. What I said I believe to be Biblical, if not show me otherwise.
Click to expand...

You say that Jesus worked to glorify God. Is Jesus not God and is his working to glorify God not his working to glorify himself?

Regards
DL
 
You must log in or register to reply here.
Top