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noone1

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I'm not sure I'll get any worthwhile advice here but I need some place to vent and I don't really post anywhere anymore regularly...

My partner over the last year has gotten into the b.s. conspiracy theory movement (Alex Jones, NWO stuff) and it is driving me crazy. As a die hard skeptic and debunker, it is like I am being karmically punished for something. It is hard watching the person I love slowly turn into an anti-intellectual right wing tea-bagger all the while assuring me that isn't what's happening. This is a person who used to view sites like snopes with me; used to be open minded and very intelligent but now firmly believes sites like snopes are part of some conspiracy.

Because my partner has medical problems I am on the look out for any brain disorders but I don't think that is what's going on here, they started getting into this stuff very shortly after a close relative died so I think it stems from emotional and personal issues.

I'd hate to end the relationship after 15+ happy years but more and more often I find myself questioning why I am with this person I don't even know anymore. I really would like to stick it out and make it work though.
 
That stuff is all rooted in truth, Alex Jones is a good place to start. If someone is opening up to the fact that there could exist shadow governments, "illuminati" type family connections amount the wealthy (to control the wealth) they are going to annoy you.

Tell him/her to cool it, that he/she doesnt have to change their beliefs just suspend them from taking so much place.

Also it is extremely intellectual to ask these questions and get involved in a certain amount of "libertarian" type activities.... Anti-Central-gov't and socially liberal conservatives do not equate to tea party at all... Ron Pauls caucuss is NOT tea party
 
Well you can either run from it or help. The truth is, there are obscenely wealthy families and individuals who collude to get what's best for them at the expense of everyone else. That's just the way it is and has always been in our civilization. Try to discuss it with your partner and get them to realize the obviousness of it all, and how obsessing over it does nothing for you or anyone.. ie there is no point in getting worked up because there is nothing you can really do, and there is no need to any way.

I spent quite a few years interested in the conspiracy stuff, but it got to the point where I was like "so, what is anyone going to do about it?". And "how is this helping to make my life any better?".. and it wasn't. It was leading no where. I haven't changed my views on the subject but I have changed my perspective on how I integrate that into my life.. it no longer dominates my interest. Psychology and philosophy do that now ^_^
 
more and more often I find myself questioning why I am with this person I don't even know anymore. I really would like to stick it out and make it work though.

When your feeling this way (regardless of the problem) you really either work on the problem together, if it can't be fixed then you can either get on with it or leave. The problem with your scenario is, your partner is changing the way he views things as they get older. Your not going to change your mind to suit them or keep them happy, why would you expect them to do anything other.

15 years is a long time, you need to be honest with them and tell them how this is affecting you and the way you see the relationship.
 
This is an interesting subject (from an outsider's point of view, anyway - I certainly don't envy you being in such a position.

I'm not sure how much help I can offer - but being similarly inclined to critically engage and debunk 'conspiracy theories' - I can certainly relate to your frustration (if not the relationship side of it - I've never had a girlfriend go all "truther" on me - maybe a friend or two; but only as a passing fad...or a sort of curiosity.
Also it is extremely intellectual to ask these questions and get involved in a certain amount of "libertarian" type activities....
Are you being facetious? Alex Jones - "extremely intellectual"?? !
To question that sort of stuff, maybe - but he seems pretty far removed from "intellectual" thought to me!
Anti-Central-gov't and socially liberal conservatives do not equate to tea party at all...
I think you are projecting your politics on to this a little too much - where did the OP mention any of these ideologies?
All I see is:
My partner over the last year has gotten into the b.s. conspiracy theory movement (Alex Jones, NWO stuff) and it is driving me crazy. As a die hard skeptic and debunker, it is like I am being karmically punished for something. It is hard watching the person I love slowly turn into an anti-intellectual right wing tea-bagger all the while assuring me that isn't what's happening. This is a person who used to view sites like snopes with me; used to be open minded and very intelligent but now firmly believes sites like snopes are part of some conspiracy.
Whether or not we personally agree with the Alex Jones and the whole gamut of nwo/illuminati conspiracy theories is beside the point of this thread.
The question is how to understand, deal with or respond to someone as close as a partner of 15 years changing from being a questioning/logically thinking person (I presume) into someone that takes a particular kind of conspiratorial thinking and swallows it without question.
Having said that - leaving aside personal feelings on this subject is probably not possible - because if I thought all that stuff was 'the truth - I might say "what's your problem? Your partner is clued-in, and you're not!" But I don't think that is the case necessarily, so I can understand your frustration and/or concern.

One thing I wonder - is your 'significant other' an independent thinker? By that, I mean - are they easily swayed?

I have a friend who will more or less go along with whatever wisdom those close to him verbalise. If, in a social setting, he and I are hanging out and I were to have a rant at him about the virtues of anarchism or socialism or my feelings about the military industrial complex (just to give some examples) - not in an aggressive sense, but just a friendly bit of passionate banter (or whatever the situation may be) - I can almost guarantee that he would
a. Hear me out and listen to what I have to say, even if he doesn't understand or have much previous interest in the subject.
b. Agree with me
c. Possibly even repeat the essence of what I said to others in different social settings. (I know this has happened because I have both heard it 1st hand and had people quote him saying something I had previously said to him. This may sound conceited on my part - but it doesn't bother me; I just find it quite interesting and possibly relevant to this situation).
My friend goes through phases of 'influence' - it may be a book, a film, a band or a person (close or otherwise) that gives him a lead to follow.
When he is within someone's sphere of influence, he gets along with that person very well indeed. I have seen him go between several different people/phases/influences - and when he casually 'drops' one influence for another, it can make him a bit hard to relate to all of a sudden...and not because I or anyone tries to mould him; on the contrary - he can only absorb a single I clue fe at once.
but he is an extreme case.

What I'm getting at is that perhaps your partner was introduced to a certain set of critical thinking skills by you - the sort that calls bullshit on things that just don't add up - and has taken it off on their own wild ride, calling bullshit on things that there are loud, self-assured voices already calling bullshit upon.

The conspiracy bandwagon is a pretty comfy ride - the Joneses and Ickes (et al) do all the 'thinking' and make the 'brave' calls, put all the missing pieces of info and impeccable research together into one big comfort pie (and rake in the $$ for book sales etc). But as you know, OP, it's a distracting pie - and a fast-food, instant gratification pie - safe in the knowledge that we know better than all the other 'sheeple'
Unlike autonomous critical thinkers and free range bullshit-callers - who have to live with the knowledge that "maybe we'll never know the 'truth' behind [historical event of note]" - conspiracy kids (young and old!) have the answers all laid out for them.

This 'alternative reality' is like tuning into a different tv station or reading an opposing viewpoint in a different newspaper for some people - and while it is a really crude guess at what could be going on with your partner - it is something I've seen people do before, and in my youthful dabbling a with conspiracy books about 10 years ago, it seemed like a 'different angle' - but it was just something I passed through as my critical thinking skills and political knowledge developed.
There is nothing wrong with being interested in that stuff - unless it becomes unhealthy in its dominance on your partner's world view - which sounds like it could be the case. But I think the point is to pick it apart as an intellectual exercise (or use it as entertainment).

Perhaps your questioning, critical thinking style was something new and contagious, earlier in your relationship...and this has led your partner down other paths of questioning orthodoxy - which have allowed them to fall prey to conspiracy theorist orthodoxy (which masquerades as 'questioning', but doesn't stand up well to deeper analysis - IMO anyway).

As for how to possibly work through this together....
is he/she open to discussion on any of these matters?

Are you able to discuss some of the deeper questions/flaws in conspiracy theory pop culture?
such as;
- the lack of scholarly references in conspiracy books (or any attempt to prove or otherwise document the wild allegations being made
- the lack of credibility of the sources to begin with
- the roaring trade in selling conspiracy books (in a struggling/dying publishing industry)
- or some good examples of "conspiracy" or "secret govt" or "UFO" (whatever they are into) being roundly rebuffed by a good piece of investigative journalism?
On this point - I read a great book that came out around 10 years ago (not quite sure of publishing date or title, sorry) that explained the whole "Roswell UFO Crash" story. It REALLY opened my undergrad eyes to the exploitative world of conspiracy theories - the fame/infamy, fortune (stories sold for cash etc) and other motivations behind some of the "sources" of conspiracy lit.
beyond arguing the implausibility of so much of this stuff - if you really want to see if you can break through the paranoid dogma - there are these sorts of points you could make - as well as the more obvious one that people tend to lose sight of;

- "conspiracy theories" about global political and financial corruption actually distract people from the very real and often not-so-well hidden conspiracies and corruption that are just waiting to be uncovered and spread though "conspiracy hunting" networks...

It sounds like a frustrating and sad situation. People do change - but I often get the feeling the more conspiratorial/right wing shifts people make can be motivated by emotional suffering, bitterness or possibly even (as you suggest) illness of some kind.
I'm not saying that to slag off conservatives or that side of the political ideological divide - but when someone close and dear to you makes such a shift that they no longer resemble their old self - that is certainly cause for concern and reflection on where things are going.

I hope this long winded reply is of some kind of use....and whatever happens, I hope you guys can sort things out and find a happy way forward for both of you. 15 years is a long time to love someone, a lot of shared history.
All the best!
 
Death of a close loved one generally really fucks up someone's head for about a year. I know. I speak from experience.
 
they're probably having mental stress.

try and get them excercising and do fun things together instead of sitting around on the internet.

go swimming, go in the nature, get out and do non internet things because in the real world people dont have huge time for crazy ideas cos they are too busy getting on with enjoying the good things in life.

we all know the world is ruled by the evil money god. fuck new world order.

money itself is an evil false god dragging down earth into a shit storm.

stop thinking there is any organisation to it- its just an idiot evolution trend that will cul de sac us into an early species grave
 
That stuff is all rooted in truth, Alex Jones is a good place to start. If someone is opening up to the fact that there could exist shadow governments, "illuminati" type family connections amount the wealthy (to control the wealth) they are going to annoy you.

Tell him/her to cool it, that he/she doesnt have to change their beliefs just suspend them from taking so much place.

Also it is extremely intellectual to ask these questions and get involved in a certain amount of "libertarian" type activities.... Anti-Central-gov't and socially liberal conservatives do not equate to tea party at all... Ron Pauls caucuss is NOT tea party

I don't want this to devolve into a debate about conspiracy theories. I've known about these people for years, I don't just automatically assume they are being ridiculous. I have watched hours of this stuff with an open mind and am not convinced. People like Alex Jones say they aren't for the Republicans or the Democrats but 99% of his show is bad mouthing "socialist" policies and attacking the republicans for not reigning in the democrats and instituting anti-women, anti-gay, anti immigration policies. He just gets you there through crazy town rather than reasoning. My partner has been a free spirit, nature loving, pro choice person for years and is suddenly "celebrating" the supreme court rulings on "freedom of religion" I had an argument the other day with my partner that ended with them in tears utterly convinced that the democrats are re-educating immigrants to take over the country and turn it into a police state. As a hispanic whose parents immigrated here from another country I am beyond flabbergasted.

Try to plan a nice week+ long vacation with no TV or internet and see if you notice any changes for the better.

Yes this is the plan for my partners birthday in a couple of weeks but money is an issue, we've been paying off a garnishment for medical wages for several years now and have been almost unable to much but work and struggle. It doesn't help that recently they have been "prepping" and spending hundreds of dollars thinking the world is going to come apart any day now.

Well you can either run from it or help. The truth is, there are obscenely wealthy families and individuals who collude to get what's best for them at the expense of everyone else. That's just the way it is and has always been in our civilization. Try to discuss it with your partner and get them to realize the obviousness of it all, and how obsessing over it does nothing for you or anyone.. ie there is no point in getting worked up because there is nothing you can really do, and there is no need to any way.

I spent quite a few years interested in the conspiracy stuff, but it got to the point where I was like "so, what is anyone going to do about it?". And "how is this helping to make my life any better?".. and it wasn't. It was leading no where. I haven't changed my views on the subject but I have changed my perspective on how I integrate that into my life.. it no longer dominates my interest. Psychology and philosophy do that now ^_^

It's hard because these people manufacture every single news event as a conspiracy theory that is moving us closer every day to the end. Every week the next news event is "more serious" than the last.

When your feeling this way (regardless of the problem) you really either work on the problem together, if it can't be fixed then you can either get on with it or leave. The problem with your scenario is, your partner is changing the way he views things as they get older. Your not going to change your mind to suit them or keep them happy, why would you expect them to do anything other.

15 years is a long time, you need to be honest with them and tell them how this is affecting you and the way you see the relationship.

It's hard because I have had my own mental illnesses for years and they supported me for several years. I feel indebted to my partner. I've been getting help for the past year and a half and am very slowly getting better but it's hard to be open with someone when you have social anxiety.

This is an interesting subject (from an outsider's point of view, anyway - I certainly don't envy you being in such a position.

I'm not sure how much help I can offer - but being similarly inclined to critically engage and debunk 'conspiracy theories' - I can certainly relate to your frustration (if not the relationship side of it - I've never had a girlfriend go all "truther" on me - maybe a friend or two; but only as a passing fad...or a sort of curiosity.

Are you being facetious? Alex Jones - "extremely intellectual"?? !
To question that sort of stuff, maybe - but he seems pretty far removed from "intellectual" thought to me!

I think you are projecting your politics on to this a little too much - where did the OP mention any of these ideologies?
All I see is:

Whether or not we personally agree with the Alex Jones and the whole gamut of nwo/illuminati conspiracy theories is beside the point of this thread.
The question is how to understand, deal with or respond to someone as close as a partner of 15 years changing from being a questioning/logically thinking person (I presume) into someone that takes a particular kind of conspiratorial thinking and swallows it without question.
Having said that - leaving aside personal feelings on this subject is probably not possible - because if I thought all that stuff was 'the truth - I might say "what's your problem? Your partner is clued-in, and you're not!" But I don't think that is the case necessarily, so I can understand your frustration and/or concern.

One thing I wonder - is your 'significant other' an independent thinker? By that, I mean - are they easily swayed?

I have a friend who will more or less go along with whatever wisdom those close to him verbalise. If, in a social setting, he and I are hanging out and I were to have a rant at him about the virtues of anarchism or socialism or my feelings about the military industrial complex (just to give some examples) - not in an aggressive sense, but just a friendly bit of passionate banter (or whatever the situation may be) - I can almost guarantee that he would
a. Hear me out and listen to what I have to say, even if he doesn't understand or have much previous interest in the subject.
b. Agree with me
c. Possibly even repeat the essence of what I said to others in different social settings. (I know this has happened because I have both heard it 1st hand and had people quote him saying something I had previously said to him. This may sound conceited on my part - but it doesn't bother me; I just find it quite interesting and possibly relevant to this situation).
My friend goes through phases of 'influence' - it may be a book, a film, a band or a person (close or otherwise) that gives him a lead to follow.
When he is within someone's sphere of influence, he gets along with that person very well indeed. I have seen him go between several different people/phases/influences - and when he casually 'drops' one influence for another, it can make him a bit hard to relate to all of a sudden...and not because I or anyone tries to mould him; on the contrary - he can only absorb a single I clue fe at once.
but he is an extreme case.

What I'm getting at is that perhaps your partner was introduced to a certain set of critical thinking skills by you - the sort that calls bullshit on things that just don't add up - and has taken it off on their own wild ride, calling bullshit on things that there are loud, self-assured voices already calling bullshit upon.

The conspiracy bandwagon is a pretty comfy ride - the Joneses and Ickes (et al) do all the 'thinking' and make the 'brave' calls, put all the missing pieces of info and impeccable research together into one big comfort pie (and rake in the $$ for book sales etc). But as you know, OP, it's a distracting pie - and a fast-food, instant gratification pie - safe in the knowledge that we know better than all the other 'sheeple'
Unlike autonomous critical thinkers and free range bullshit-callers - who have to live with the knowledge that "maybe we'll never know the 'truth' behind [historical event of note]" - conspiracy kids (young and old!) have the answers all laid out for them.

This 'alternative reality' is like tuning into a different tv station or reading an opposing viewpoint in a different newspaper for some people - and while it is a really crude guess at what could be going on with your partner - it is something I've seen people do before, and in my youthful dabbling a with conspiracy books about 10 years ago, it seemed like a 'different angle' - but it was just something I passed through as my critical thinking skills and political knowledge developed.
There is nothing wrong with being interested in that stuff - unless it becomes unhealthy in its dominance on your partner's world view - which sounds like it could be the case. But I think the point is to pick it apart as an intellectual exercise (or use it as entertainment).

Perhaps your questioning, critical thinking style was something new and contagious, earlier in your relationship...and this has led your partner down other paths of questioning orthodoxy - which have allowed them to fall prey to conspiracy theorist orthodoxy (which masquerades as 'questioning', but doesn't stand up well to deeper analysis - IMO anyway).

As for how to possibly work through this together....
is he/she open to discussion on any of these matters?

Are you able to discuss some of the deeper questions/flaws in conspiracy theory pop culture?
such as;
- the lack of scholarly references in conspiracy books (or any attempt to prove or otherwise document the wild allegations being made
- the lack of credibility of the sources to begin with
- the roaring trade in selling conspiracy books (in a struggling/dying publishing industry)
- or some good examples of "conspiracy" or "secret govt" or "UFO" (whatever they are into) being roundly rebuffed by a good piece of investigative journalism?
On this point - I read a great book that came out around 10 years ago (not quite sure of publishing date or title, sorry) that explained the whole "Roswell UFO Crash" story. It REALLY opened my undergrad eyes to the exploitative world of conspiracy theories - the fame/infamy, fortune (stories sold for cash etc) and other motivations behind some of the "sources" of conspiracy lit.
beyond arguing the implausibility of so much of this stuff - if you really want to see if you can break through the paranoid dogma - there are these sorts of points you could make - as well as the more obvious one that people tend to lose sight of;

- "conspiracy theories" about global political and financial corruption actually distract people from the very real and often not-so-well hidden conspiracies and corruption that are just waiting to be uncovered and spread though "conspiracy hunting" networks...

It sounds like a frustrating and sad situation. People do change - but I often get the feeling the more conspiratorial/right wing shifts people make can be motivated by emotional suffering, bitterness or possibly even (as you suggest) illness of some kind.
I'm not saying that to slag off conservatives or that side of the political ideological divide - but when someone close and dear to you makes such a shift that they no longer resemble their old self - that is certainly cause for concern and reflection on where things are going.

I hope this long winded reply is of some kind of use....and whatever happens, I hope you guys can sort things out and find a happy way forward for both of you. 15 years is a long time to love someone, a lot of shared history.
All the best!

My SO is a person that is swayed easily, yes but now that they've found something that "works" it is almost impossible to argue with them because they've read hours of CT message boards and watched hours of videos that show you how to side step any arguments. Honestly I have only really gotten into debunking as an antidote to my partners craziness before that it was a hobby that I barely spent any time on, I never pushed anything on it to my partner which was maybe my mistake we used to just look at snopes and stuff for fun not anything serious. This is pretty much their way of life now and all attempts at rational discussion have ended in failure, they will argue with me on open ended things but any time I offer to show something that will concretely disprove a major component of what they believe is bullshit and prove Alex Jones is a liar they just say they aren't going to look at it because they know it has to be false and part of the conspiracy. How do you deal with someone like this?

Death of a close loved one generally really fucks up someone's head for about a year. I know. I speak from experience.

Yeah and it seemed like they got over it kind of quick, like a month. That's way too fast to get over the death of a sibling.

they're probably having mental stress.

try and get them excercising and do fun things together instead of sitting around on the internet.

go swimming, go in the nature, get out and do non internet things because in the real world people dont have huge time for crazy ideas cos they are too busy getting on with enjoying the good things in life.

we all know the world is ruled by the evil money god. fuck new world order.

money itself is an evil false god dragging down earth into a shit storm.

stop thinking there is any organisation to it- its just an idiot evolution trend that will cul de sac us into an early species grave

Yes I am pushing them for exercise and to go out more but it is difficult when you are in debt, when we both work constantly and they're medical problems hinder them a lot of the time. I think a lot of the prepping stuff they are into is really being used as an escape, it's fun to can things and shop and learn new stuff about gardening and survival.

I really want to make this work. Thanks for replying guys I am trying to have patience but whenever I hear infowars on I have to bite my tongue and my blood pressure goes through the roof. If I don't go for a walk or something at such times I'm afraid I'll snap. Hopefully getting away for a while will help.
 
noone1 said:
How do you deal with someone like this?
This is the crux of the matter, isn't it?
If you cannot introduce reason into the discussion, and it is causing such friction and heartache - I don't know if there is a simple answer.
What would I do?
Well, if it were a friendship, or a relationship that wasnt serious, I would probably give the person in question some space if and when the CT obsession became an issue; for the well-being of both parties.
If this means no longer spending time with that person...so be it. People change.

But in your case - a long-term relationship; where your lives are intertwined?
Perhaps if you cannot debate the subject matter involved...as this seems futile - but maybe mention how much it troubles you on an interpersonal level, in regards to your relationship.
Certain political and ideological strategies can speak to people seeking some sort of guidance and answers, and have an unhealthy (or unquestioned) grip on the people they are able to connect with. This sounds like the sort of thing happening here.
Feeling (or being) repressed can certainly make conspiracy theories (the kind that explain that the power structures in the world are perverted and evil [in ways that cannot be truly verified] and create scapegoats and fictions around current events) enticing for some people.
The world is not a fair place, which I think is the reason conspiracy theorists have such a strong following at the moment.
There probably isn't anything you can do to get your partner to tone down the rhetoric - unless they are willing to hear you out on why you don't wish to discuss it, and perhaps why you are troubled by the changes you've observed in your SO's worldview.

As with my comment above, though; people do change, and growing apart can be a sad fact of relationships.
I suppose the difficulty is that the 'change' seems sort of externally-imposed (an analogy could be drawn with "joining a cult" - not that I am equating CTs and cults necessarily) - and there is every chance the phase could pass, and they could develop - or regain - some critical analysis skills, and start thinking for themselves again.
Or perhaps the change has been made, and any attempts to "change them back" are going to be in vain.

Sounds like a tough call and a really unpleasant situation to be in. Fundamentalisms of all sorts are difficult (if not impossible) to reason with - but perhaps if you try to speak to the person and the heart that is still beating away under all the ideology, you'll be able to find some sort of middle ground.
I hope you can find a way - it is sad to see a good person have their thoughts consumed by a sales pitch (which is my biased assessment of the Infowars crowd).
 
This is the crux of the matter, isn't it?
If you cannot introduce reason into the discussion, and it is causing such friction and heartache - I don't know if there is a simple answer.
What would I do?
Well, if it were a friendship, or a relationship that wasnt serious, I would probably give the person in question some space if and when the CT obsession became an issue; for the well-being of both parties.
If this means no longer spending time with that person...so be it. People change.

But in your case - a long-term relationship; where your lives are intertwined?
Perhaps if you cannot debate the subject matter involved...as this seems futile - but maybe mention how much it troubles you on an interpersonal level, in regards to your relationship.
Certain political and ideological strategies can speak to people seeking some sort of guidance and answers, and have an unhealthy (or unquestioned) grip on the people they are able to connect with. This sounds like the sort of thing happening here.
Feeling (or being) repressed can certainly make conspiracy theories (the kind that explain that the power structures in the world are perverted and evil [in ways that cannot be truly verified] and create scapegoats and fictions around current events) enticing for some people.
The world is not a fair place, which I think is the reason conspiracy theorists have such a strong following at the moment.
There probably isn't anything you can do to get your partner to tone down the rhetoric - unless they are willing to hear you out on why you don't wish to discuss it, and perhaps why you are troubled by the changes you've observed in your SO's worldview.

As with my comment above, though; people do change, and growing apart can be a sad fact of relationships.
I suppose the difficulty is that the 'change' seems sort of externally-imposed (an analogy could be drawn with "joining a cult" - not that I am equating CTs and cults necessarily) - and there is every chance the phase could pass, and they could develop - or regain - some critical analysis skills, and start thinking for themselves again.
Or perhaps the change has been made, and any attempts to "change them back" are going to be in vain.

Sounds like a tough call and a really unpleasant situation to be in. Fundamentalisms of all sorts are difficult (if not impossible) to reason with - but perhaps if you try to speak to the person and the heart that is still beating away under all the ideology, you'll be able to find some sort of middle ground.
I hope you can find a way - it is sad to see a good person have their thoughts consumed by a sales pitch (which is my biased assessment of the Infowars crowd).

Yeah thanks dude, it's just so freaking hard. I just had an argument earlier when I promised myself I wouldn't since it is their birthday coming up. My spouse complained about panic and worry after watching infowars for 8+ hours (I'm not kidding) absolutely convinced that society is going to collapse and the NWO is already taking over I made a generic vague comment about using reason and that just because someone says they're not trying to scare you and that they're not being rhetorical that doesn't make it so and it just exploded from there.

We're in debt and they want to go amp up on the prepping stuff when things are tight so we have a two years supply of food. Since they make the majority of the money I have almost no say in this. I really am not dealing with this very well. I love my partner but they are becoming everything I hate. What's worse is they are letting this effect their health, statistically they are more likely to have a heart attack or stroke the way they are living their life than society collapsing.

I should just probably focus on myself for a while since this shit is really killing me.
 
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