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When do you think drugs will be legal in North/South America?

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In the last few years I have been seeing a lot of debates and news articles discussing legalization of all drugs as a means end the "war on drugs" if you will.
There is so much crime and illness associated with illegal narcotics, so I think eventually the government will begin supplying chronic users with pure pharmaceutical grade sources of whatever (Canada has just started a heroin trial, and there seems to be progress around the world with harm reduction facilities/programs.

But sadly, many governments/societies don't care about the health or well being of drug users...though I think the stigmatization of drug users is becoming less, but I a may be wrong. Hopefully one day people will understand that every individual has a right to expose their bodies to whatever substance they desire.

I think that when euthanasia becomes legal..it's only natural that drugs will also become legalized (at least in a supervised clinical setting).


My guess when drugs will be legalized : 2027 if not earlier
 
Never. Too many pill poppers / IV users in America, no way it would be feasibly manageable. Plus, I imagine fatalities will be oh so high + we'll go into another great depression.
 
I have been seeing a lot of debates

ive never seen one debate.... seen alot of ppl talk about things they have no proof for or just talk about what they think/know will happen and so far they have been wrong about marijuana leg.

Never. Too many pill poppers / IV users in America, no way it would be feasibly manageable. Plus, I imagine fatalities will be oh so high + we'll go into another great depression.

well in a few european countries they have decriminalized heroin and set up clinics where addicts can come get their fix and shot up... and susprisingly deaths from OD have gone down to almost none and it has lowered crime rate, hiv and other "needle diseases" and makes using safer... so aside from being a regular american voter i dont know why you would think that... but millions of ppl in the US are dumber then a box of rocks and things like facts and stats are just liberal ploys that they are far to smart to fall for....

BUT id say 2024 for outright marijuana legalization (three more elcetion cycles) and prob another 20-50 years for harder drugs
 
I see we have a lot of enthusiasm here haha, but I can understand where you are coming from...but honestly, you can't deny that drug legalization is a smart move. I think a lot of people misunderstand what drug legalization actually means, I mean obviously there should be some limitations set in place...to prevent people from being able to acquire large stocks of dangerous substances/chemicals. Obviously there is a reason we don't want certain substances floating around that are extremely potent and dangerous in their pure form. There are so many irresponsible people that would die out there, but the smart drug users would adapt.

I truly believe drugs will be legalized one day...and i'm almost certain they will create programs for heavy IV users that offer pharmaceutical heroin or other drugs to users who resort to crime etc. Also, considering that so many people are IV'ing pills these days, it makes sense that they would offer IV pill users USP solutions designed specifically for IV use. Seems like you can't get that shit, even on the streets.

But yeah, I know that many South American countries are interested in legalizing drugs in order to prevent illegal activities and take power out of the hands of criminals. As long as drugs can be administered in a controlled setting I don't see why people can't go to some kind of "recreational drug clinic" where professionals are present.
 
I am all for decriminalisation of psychotropics, I just don't see a legislative change towards such a conclusion happening for a long time yet.
The day will come, but I doubt I will ever see it.
 
I could see marijuana being 100% legal 10 years from. As much as I hate to say it; it'll be a very long time before you can buy lsd, heroin, mdma, coke, ect from a store like alcohol if at all. The thing is there's a certain image of drugs that has been deeply imprinted into people by decades and decades of propaganda. Allot of people still see drugs from the perspective most of us saw them when we were in DARE. Some of it is also based on the facts. While many people can use drugs responsibly; there are also plenty who develop full blown addictions and od. Allot of people also steal and kill to support their habit. While its nothing like those anti-drug fantasy stories they teach you school its still a fact; a fact that makes it hard for people to accept full legalization. Even allot of people who smoke weed and support full marijuana legalization still make no distinction between heroin and lsd. Before we start legalizing drugs we really need to completely revamp our drug education system because our current one is partially to blame for all the reckless and irresponsible use.

Another thing is that it's not as easy as taking an eraser and removing drugs from the schedule 1 list and then stacking them up on the shelf. Each drug will have to go through a lengthy process to be sold for human consumption without a prescription under federal law. There are also lots of groups like the police, DEA, private prison owners, ect; who will loose everything if it passes and are filling to fight it with every fiber of their being.

I hope I'm wrong and it happens soon but I'm just trying to be realistic.
 
Never. Too many pill poppers / IV users in America, no way it would be feasibly manageable. Plus, I imagine fatalities will be oh so high + we'll go into another great depression.
I will admit, this seems like a plausible outcome if ALL drugs were made legal, but the opposite thing happened when Portugal made them legal... I think the US 'fudges' numbers and statistics when it comes to drugs, remember they have alot of 'for profit' prisons in every state, they MUST make sure they have laws on the books that they feel enough people will violate frequently, so the prisons remain at full capacity.

in NO WAY, shape or form, is the US enforcing drug laws for the health and safety of the public though...if this were true, there would be new laws and regulations for alcohol and tobacco every year.

I think making pot legal is a good first step, but will take many years to reach a point where they make all other drugs legal, have to keep mind, in addition to the for profit jails, there is ALOT of money in the illegal drug trade, and everyone knows the US has the largest appetite, this leads me to believe the US Govt is somehow in collusion or making money from the mexican drugs coming in here on a daily basis, not sure how, but Id bet my paycheck there is high level corruption, how else do the cartels get enough dope in here daily, to supply every single city, big and small, every single day?...that is a SHIT TON of dope, especially post 9-11!!!

I think the first step is for someone to prove to the majority of people the war on drugs has failed miserably, and/or the DEA is involved in the drug trade for profit, if enough people learn about either of these,it will be a domino effect, more and more people will want to stop the war on drugs, or go at it an entirely new way that does not involve law enforcement.
 
Interesting point of view. But I agree that scenario would only happen if everything suddenly would be legalized.
 
The USA invented the war on drugs. Put pressure on India to outlaw cannabis e.g.

Now they are one the first countries where a legalisation movement has really achieved something. As much as we Europeans make fun of the USA, somehow your democrazy works well. Most people in Europe would support the idea of legalisation, but wont force the goverment to do something. I really think the USA will be the kickstarter for a global legalization -if not just for commercial reasons-, but i think it will take ages. From the international opium convention of 1912 to the convention on psychotropic substances from 1971 ist took almost 60 years. I guess it will take atleast the same time to undo.
 
Whats the opium convention of 1912? Never heard of that.

The US will not be the first to legalize all drugs, in Portugal, I believe pot is most common, but heroin and coke are also legal and available in shops, but I think public use of these 'hard' drugs is still frowned upon...heck thats fine with me, Id be extremely happy and content to swing by a shop, pick up couple grams of 'mexican mud' and head home for the night! LOL
 
I dont see it happening soon either, but it really doesnt make sense, when they had alcohol prohibition, it didnt last long at all, they recognized it was not working and quickly put an end to it...Im curious why they are keeping drug prohibition going for so long...I mean, everyone knows it isnt working, I guess they arent as intelligent today as the days of alcohol prohibition...?
 
Whats the opium convention of 1912? Never heard of that.

The US will not be the first to legalize all drugs, in Portugal, I believe pot is most common, but heroin and coke are also legal and available in shops, but I think public use of these 'hard' drugs is still frowned upon...heck thats fine with me, Id be extremely happy and content to swing by a shop, pick up couple grams of 'mexican mud' and head home for the night! LOL

Drugs are actually only decriminalised in Portugal, which means you won't be arrested or charged for possession/use, but they're not sold openly in government regulated shops. Legal = Cannabis in Colorado or Washington for example, Decriminalised = Most drugs in Portugal, Mexico, the Czech Republic for example, or Cannabis in the Netherlands (yes believe it or not, it's still technically not legal/regulated there in the traditional sense, coffee shops work via a lot of legal loopholes).

I can see decriminalisation of recreational drug use happening fairly soon, I think the fact prohibition against it has gone on so long despite the hard emphasis on the failures of past prohibition of alcohol and why we shouldn't repeat its mistakes is more surprising to me than it would be for it to be legal to shoot up dope or whatever.

There'll be restrictions, like I imagine IV drug use will likely still be illegal in public for health and safety reasons and for the sheer fact most people who aren't IVers themselves don't want to see someone shooting up - I think for a long time penalties for non-alcohol based intoxicated-driving will be a lot harsher than drunk-driving penalties, as will the penalties for mass production/mass sales if there's any sort of government regulation on who exactly can make and sell the drugs.

I also think more than likely we'll see a small introduction of certain drugs being taxed and regulated first, as we're seeing with cannabis in the US at the moment. I think we may see other drugs follow this trend, like other GABAergics (benzodiazepines, GHB, 2M2B etc or future analogues) being available as an alternative to alcohol, or more than likely some of the physically safer drugs like psychedelics will follow cannabis in being fully legalised and with their production regulated, however I don't think you'll be seeing LSD or Shroom shops popping up anywhere soon, and I think you'll probably have to go through official channels to get your hands on psychedelics, since there's still a bit of unnecessary fear surrounding them (and worthwhile fear about what would happen if people used them in the manner they do alcohol, as party drugs).

I think by the end of the century most/all of the world will have decriminalised all drugs, I very very much suspect it'll be much sooner than that. As for full legalisation, I don't think full legal (i.e. available in shops) type laws will happen for "all illegal drugs" any time soon because a) there's too many, and b) while of course anyone should have the right to choose what they put in their own body, there are some (read: many) drugs that rightfully shouldn't be made more easily available than they are now.

I think the best way to go about it would be to take off the shipping restrictions that large chemical companies have on their recreational drugs that they produce in small amounts for research/lab/analytical purposes, and have them produce the majority of the world's supply - that way purity and availability are ensured, and the black market is cut off. But I also think that other than a few things like alcohol, GABAergics, weaker opioids (and opium itself), cannabis, tobacco, kratom, kava and such things we shouldn't have most substances sitting in shop windows - and instead one would have to place an order with such a chemical company, wait a couple days for delivery, but get their substance at an affordable price, with ensured purity, and with instructions on safe handling, the relevant over-dose treatment substance included (i.e. if one orders Fentanyl they would be sent a Naloxone kit with it) where possible, and ideally some prior education required.

Drugs are like cars, cars are giant metal chunks weighing tons that you hop into and zoom around in at ridiculous speeds, on lanes filled with other huge metal death chunks also zooming around at ridiculous speeds, relying on everyone's reflexes being in order to avoid a huge pile up of death. Yet when everyone's been trained how to drive, the roads remain safe with the exception of a few idiots who just can't be taught or who decide to get into a vehicle impaired etc. Drugs are similar, and I feel there should be formal certificates required for a person to order drugs if they become legal, a course that would cost and take about as long as your driving lessons.

This would end with a test at the end that the user would be required to pass, which showed they knew:
- How to measure drugs safely in pill, powder, liquid, blotter and other forms
- How to identify their drugs using common reagents, how to titrate up to their desired dose without overshooting
- How to identify the signs of an overdose and how to get emergency help or how to treat the overdose themselves if possible
- How to recognise signs of an unwelcome habit forming and where to go to seek help if they suspect they're using more than they should be etc
- How to properly understand the drugs they're using and what the potential risks or benefits are and how to decide whether they're using something safely or not.

If they passed with flying colours they'd be awarded a set of precise microgram scales and their license to indulge. :)
 
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