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When did you first realize your parents didn't have it all figured out?

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I've heard it said that the moment at which you can say your innocence has been irrevocably lost is not your first sexual experience, your first cigarette, or even the first time you see another's disadvantage relative to you and dare to exploit it; it's the moment when you realize that the people who raised and molded you are actually just as lost in this mysterious and confusing world as you are.

I remember my early childhood pretty vividly, and remember always having a strong sense that my parents, who were always very loving and relentlessly idealistic, had life all figured out. This sense only grew as I got older and met the parents of other kids my age, many of whom had parents who weren't as kind or loving as mine. Somehow I'd lucked out, and had a family who really understood what really mattered. Through all sorts of hard (and usually lonely) times during my teens and twenties, I'd just have to remember what Mom and Dad said in a similar situation, and I'd feel more grounded.

It threw me for a loop this past month, when my mother confided to me that just recently, at age 68, she'd lost her faith in Christianity. All her life she and my dad had been so devout, and yet such humanitarians, trying to work within the Catholic Church to try to use Jesus' example and message as a force for social justice and humanitarian action in the here and now. She and my dad still lead non-sectarian environmental and social justice oriented spiritual retreats in their retirement. But they no longer believe in a personal God, nor in Jesus as more than mortal. In a sense, I'm happy for her, because it's clear that today's Catholic Church hasn't been willing to bend to her values, and is mired in political scandal.

But a part of me feels very ungrounded by this. I always thought my parents' boundless faith in the ability to change and improve longstanding institutions from within was something I'd always be able to hang my hat on. My ungrounding has more to do with this than with their change in cosmological view (which I largely agree with) -- I'd never seen my parents as quitters. I'd really believed that if you loyally toughed out active membership in any institution, you'd eventually be respected and listened to. I never thought I'd live to see my parents look at an institution they'd dedicated their lives in service to, and say "I was wrong."

All of this hit me today as I spent an early afternoon walking around Chinatown in NYC. My Dad used to take our whole family here on foot, many times every year when I was a child. I remember being so impressed with his ability to navigate an enclave so very foreign, and I remember thinking that if he knows how to get a great meal and have a good time in Chinatown for a tiny amount of money and only a few words of Chinese, he must really be able to do anything! I carried this sense of awe with me when I backpacked around the world.

NYC's Chinatown is about the only place that evokes such a rich and complex feeling of nostalgia in me. It has that 'the old neighborhood where I grew up' feeling for me, even though I never lived there. Being there again brings back a rush of memories, and getting swept back in time by gritty little noodle shops, cramped tenements, and phone booths with pagodas on them makes me almost want to believe again that there's a boundless amount of world out there for me to see, and all I have to do is ask my dad, because he always knows the way.

But I now know this isn't true. I can explore, and SHOULD explore, but I'm on my own when it comes to figuring out what it all means, where I ought to be headed, and where I'm inevitably headed.

I don't want my own kids to spend their first few years of life assuming that I'm perfect, and have all the answers, just because I'm their dad and I love and take care of them. I'd rather they realize as early as possible that we living, thinking beings cling to each other to stay afloat on this uncharted whitewater raft ride called life, but that none of us is a rock that will always be there to cling to no matter how many waves wash over it.
 
I was about 13 or 14, getting interested in boys, when my parents brought the hammer down about curfews and clothes and got uptight in general. I didn't like their attitude, I was starting to get rebellious, and then I found out that my mom had been pregnant with me when they got married. I went ape shit and called them hypocrites and you know, teen drama queen.

I turned around and had to get married because I was pregnant at the same age my mom got pregnant with me.

It's all good. Now they have me, and I have my son, well, all my kids, and my parents married 52 years, and me married 31. I've learned to let stuff slide since I was a pubescent self righteous fuckhead.
 
I don't think this moment ever came for me. My parents have their flaws and I get annoyed with them, a lot. But, all throughout a childhood, there wasn't an earth shattering event that made me realize they were imperfect. Maybe I didn't hold them in the same idealized light as the OP, but this realization never materialized.

Tomer
 
My grandma started to lose her faith a little bit after her husband of 60 years died and she got cancer a year later. She kept asking why god would do that to her. I felt so badly for her. She was such a sweet lady. I think this is common when you start to look at your own mortality or you have tragedy happen. You start to realize that you're going to die, life will move on and no one will remember you after several years. It's very final, and I think you move on from those childish, idealistic thoughts that we all have a reason to be here. When you're 70 years old, I think some people look back and ask what the real reason was for them being here, especially if they haven't really done anything of value. That isn't to say the person hasn't, but some people are still unhappy even after personal accomplishments.

I realized my mom didn't know it all after a really weird but vivid memory I have of when she said that we gain an hour of sleep every night during daylight savings. I think I was 10ish when I said, "But mom...we only gain an hour one day not the whole time." My mom had a really bad temper especially when a kid corrected her. She got angry at me and my dad (for once) defended me and said I was right. They started to argue about it, and it's a really weird thing, but I remember thinking "Wow, my mom doesn't know it all after all."
 
Finding out there was no Santa Claus. I'm serious. It was a very big lie. It left me with a suspicion that I might be told soon "Ha, Ha- There is no God either."

My parents are very good to me and I love them a lot. They have largely accepted a hand-me-down world view and spirituality. They go to mass nearly everyday now that they are retired. Currently in Catholicism their is little room for dissent. I think they have a hard time understanding why I can be enthused about some aspects of religion while rejecting most all the parts they find essential.

Anyways adolescence and early adulthood were very rough on many fronts: sexuality, religion, politics, what I ought to do with my life, and who I ought to be showing a lot more respect. A truce has been in place on most all of these issues for years. An occasional comment gets made where I have to avoid taking the bait, so to avoid escalation that could lead to an end of some of our truce. I'm sure they also have to ignore some of my comments.

For real though the first big dis-trust was on the Santa Claus thing at about 5 y/o.
 
My real innocence got shed when I realized that my family was "different" from all the others. When I went over to my friends nice houses at 4 years old and would play with their parents. Then, when it was time to go home, I would always question why I had no father in my life, or why I live in a tiny apartment while my friends lived in 1 million dollar houses. It wasn't at that point I realized my mother didn't have it all figured out, but it was at that point that I realized how strong my mother is and how this world really isn't fair. I realized my mother didn't have it all figured out when she had her 2nd divorce - it hit me hard.
 
I had this realization only 3 days ago. I'm 24. I realized that I shouldn't be so critical of my parents because they are just as lost as me (if not more so).

I was actually a good feeling.
 
I had no sudden moment of disillusionment. Rather, there seemed to be a gradual process of figuring out that, hey, no one has it all figured out. Perhaps a practical culmination thereof occurred in second grade when, "Hey, what happens when we die?" was answered with "I don't know. What do you think?"

ebola
 
Great thread + post OP :)

I don't want my own kids to spend their first few years of life assuming that I'm perfect, and have all the answers, just because I'm their dad and I love and take care of them. I'd rather they realize as early as possible that we living, thinking beings cling to each other to stay afloat on this uncharted whitewater raft ride called life, but that none of us is a rock that will always be there to cling to no matter how many waves wash over it.

Obviously this is your call and I'm not trying to impose on you, but personally I wouldn't like this as a child. I am grateful that I found complete trust and security in my parents. I think this is beneficial for a child, and for me the "first few years of life" so to speak were far too young to be questioning my parents. I'd probably want this sort of talk no earlier that mid-teens.

I had no sudden moment of disillusionment. Rather, there seemed to be a gradual process of figuring out that, hey, no one has it all figured out. Perhaps a practical culmination thereof occurred in second grade when, "Hey, what happens when we die?" was answered with "I don't know. What do you think?"

ebola

^ Similar to this for me. Nothing dramatic has happened like some posters have had. More of a gradual transition. I guess the most significant change would've been when I really accepted that I'm not Christian (both parents are devout and I was raised that way). Before that I hadn't questioned the religion that much - it was just the way things were. I began wondering how they have such conviction and faith, and even more: what if they're "wrong"? (I don't think this any more as I am an agnostic existentialist, but these were the things going through my head at the time)
 
Everytime I see her cry which happened just like 3 times in my whole life. It was so rare, that I even thought she was kidding.

I remeber few incidents:

One time I saw the book, where my mom often wrote her dreams innit and other things. Out of curiosity and with a bad feeling (because you don't do such thing) I opened a random page and read that she had a really hard time (even thought about suicide I think) but gets alot of power and encouragement through her 3 beautiful children. I was so shocked, I didn't knew she had those problems. I immediately closed the book and was kinda perplexed.

Also, when she told us that she had a disabled sister lying in a hospital in our native country.....she cried while talking, cause it was kind of her fault(she once dropped her as a child when her sistern was a baby).
 
Very interesting thread.

My revelation was only a couple of weeks ago actually. I always pictured my mom as the invincible woman.

The fact that I knew the meaning of life and she didn't. I tried explaining it to her... I don't think she understood. Maybe she did though, maybe she was hiding the fact that she knew from me. I don't know :P
 
When my father died of a morphine overdose when I was 7. Frankly at that point I was too busy trying to figure how I could have two dads. One was reliable and was active within my life, and the other was trying to keep himself clean and stay out of trouble. I now respect my father for his actions. He was trying as hard as he could to stay clean. Quite a pity really, I just wish he would have lived at least a few more years, so I could have met him at an age where I could remember things.
 
I think I first realized this, when I knew that the choices I was making were increasing my quality of life, more than the choices they wanted for me to make. Parents are people too. Everyone has their faults, and while they may usually want the best for their children, that's no guarantee that they know best.
 
I first realized my parents didn't have it all figured out when I realized (a) I didn't have a biological father present, and (b) my mother always acted so unsure of how to raise me. She used to give me these looks as though she didn't know how how to respond to my words &/or actions. They were very intense looks that really stuck with me as a child. Although my mom achieved a very good career, she was also frequently unable to properly help me when I had questions with my homework. I remember getting into small fights with her because she would insist that her answer was correct and I felt that it was not. When I would go with her answer on certain assignments...I was often wrong. I felt as though I outsmarted her at times—such a lonely feeling as an only child! As I grew older I didn't receive the type of advice I felt that I should have. Everything I was told seemed so generic. I felt as though I could have given myself better advice and/or that I was continuously being humored. As the years went on, I concluded that my biological father obviously had problems and that was why he was not involved in my life at all. I came to find out in later years that the problems were drug related.

Also, I was raised with the help of my grandparents. It was a lovely experience to have them around, but it made me feel as though my mother was a bit incompetent.

About one year ago (when I was 21), I came to the realization that although my childhood wasn't bad, I felt very disenchanted during it. Now, I realize a large majority of that disenchantment comes from realizing at a very young age that the people who raised me never had the answers or actions that would have left me feeling assured about life. Instead, they left me feeling that they questioned everything themselves. Not quite their fault for me to take it to heart, but definitely not what a child wants to feel.
 
From day one, my mum was a rek head she gave me to my grandparents,

My grandad is such a smart, cool, hippie type, I know he has it all figured out as he never gave advise or even guidance, he simply trust me to make my own mistakes , oh and of course he loved me lots, I respect him more than he will ever know!!!

Im a parent now myself and knowing that your 'parents fuck you up' scares the shit out of me:(
 
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