I just put an order in for some Micron Wheel filters, I am on bupe maintenance (Not to quit getting high btw before anyone asks, Legal issues just prevent me from being able to do my DOC at the moment) Anyways, I just ordered 20 .22um PES 13mm syringe filters, Are these 13mm ones okay to use to make single shot doses of 1ml or less?? And another kinda dumb question, I know they remove most of the non water soluble particles, that means anything water soluble I could still be injecting right? Just wondering how much damage they prevent as far as abscesses,vein damage, and problems like that as I would just like to be able to IV my Suboxone tablets (waiting on a PA to get switched to Zubsolv) and maybe my Wellbutrin mixed together too occasionally but want to know if I still have a high risk of abscesses from these or other complications or if these filters are really that good at reducing harm as I've been a long time IV drug user but honestly never used these before at all and decided to buy these and some rigs to try to safely get the monkey off my back...
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Harm Reduction Wheel Filters for Subs and Wellbutrin
- Thread starter Magic812
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If they are sterile and individually packaged they will greatly reduce your likelihood of complications, primarily via physically blocking bacterial infection. If non-sterile, they will still reduce the risk significantly compared to cotton from a Q-Tip, a cigarette filter, etc.
Hey @Magic812
I know you'll not like me for this, but I wish you wouldn't inject the Bupropion (Wellbutrin; Zyban). Even with a wheel filter and taking all of the proper steps, I still have a lot of fears about injecting Bupropion. I don't know the whole story, but there is a guy in my area in the homeless crowd who had his dick amputated over injecting Bupropion. He got started on a session, couldn't help himself, safety and care went out the window, he injects into the wrong vein and shit all fell apart quite quickly by the way it was described to me. All just to inject some little piece of nothing.
I have heard so many stories and read so much data about Bupropion specifically and what it had done to those who inject it. It just seems to be a very dangerous practice that I don't advise anyone to take part it regardless of their confidence. I hope you don't do it man, but I'm sure you'll be much better off with the micron/wheel filters for what it's worth.
Buprenorphine strips, specifically have been linked to a disproportionate amount of injection complications by my reckoning, but to this day I really have no idea why or even if I'm right,
I think using wheel filters with pharmaceutical Buprenorphine is probably not a big deal. You're doing it in the safest possible way, given your chosen ROA. The Bupropion seems to be in a league of its own in terms of the potential for danger, so please try not to.
I know you'll not like me for this, but I wish you wouldn't inject the Bupropion (Wellbutrin; Zyban). Even with a wheel filter and taking all of the proper steps, I still have a lot of fears about injecting Bupropion. I don't know the whole story, but there is a guy in my area in the homeless crowd who had his dick amputated over injecting Bupropion. He got started on a session, couldn't help himself, safety and care went out the window, he injects into the wrong vein and shit all fell apart quite quickly by the way it was described to me. All just to inject some little piece of nothing.
I have heard so many stories and read so much data about Bupropion specifically and what it had done to those who inject it. It just seems to be a very dangerous practice that I don't advise anyone to take part it regardless of their confidence. I hope you don't do it man, but I'm sure you'll be much better off with the micron/wheel filters for what it's worth.
Buprenorphine strips, specifically have been linked to a disproportionate amount of injection complications by my reckoning, but to this day I really have no idea why or even if I'm right,
I think using wheel filters with pharmaceutical Buprenorphine is probably not a big deal. You're doing it in the safest possible way, given your chosen ROA. The Bupropion seems to be in a league of its own in terms of the potential for danger, so please try not to.
Honestly I'll probably not IV the Wells if it's still dangerous I kinda thought the wheel filters would like magically make it safe (I know it makes pills SAFER), But can't find any studies on them with those and I remember when I was younger I would do them when I was out of meth occasionally and it would always leave a little indention are the injection site and make the other sites swell up, And it does produce a rush if mixed with opioids but it's kinda and leaves me irritable afterwards and only really gets you high the first dose you do that day like will make you redose and just chase the initial buzz but it never happens, really not worth destroying my veins over at this point and seizing out..
I still can't figure out why I can take 4 sublingual 8mg tablets at once and not feel ANYTHING when I'm on daily maintenance (I know the ceiling effect is 32mg and it should already be kinda built up in my system) But if IV a whole 8mg it still gets me high as fuck, I figured my receptors would be saturated from the maintenance doses but it's always still worked somehow and I know it shouldn't
I still can't figure out why I can take 4 sublingual 8mg tablets at once and not feel ANYTHING when I'm on daily maintenance (I know the ceiling effect is 32mg and it should already be kinda built up in my system) But if IV a whole 8mg it still gets me high as fuck, I figured my receptors would be saturated from the maintenance doses but it's always still worked somehow and I know it shouldn't
plumbus-nine
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Wellbutrin isn't just dangerous because of fillers (rock hard retard pills) but also by itself lowering the seizure threshold and inducing seizures only slightly above therapeutic use. On some list it is the no 1 seizure inducing pharm. And because of its metabolism you'll get 30mins of dopaminergic stimulation and then a many hours rebound of pure NRI effects (what you get with oral use, other routes just circumvent the first pass metabolism). So chances that you'll redose are high, and just one or two redoses can lead to seizure. Believe me, I did it nasally and besides knowing the dangers did I go through a gram or so in a few hours. No seizures for me but do you really wanna find out yourself?
Also snorted bupe, don't know whether IV is different but personally I found little difference between sublingual and nasal. A bit stronger but that was it.
Also snorted bupe, don't know whether IV is different but personally I found little difference between sublingual and nasal. A bit stronger but that was it.
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Now Im on wellbutrin(bupropion) And I read that the rush If you IV is like cocaine rush, It is truth? I want to try it but in spain we dont have wheel filter I think, harm reduction associations give us a cotton filter only. I dont know if yo can buy it on the internet....
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@plumbus-nine nothing to say?
Thank you in advance
to all community@plumbus-nine nothing to say?
Thank you in advance
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dopamimetic
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It's also very prone to seizures if you don't limit yourself to 300-450mg ever 24 hours. In other times Wellbutrin was prescribed at higher dosages and eventually withdrawn because of seizures. Then limited to 300mg and re-approved. On some list I once encountered it was listed as the #1 med for seizure side effects. Maybe you're lucky, maybe not.
LucidSDreamr
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I think water barley goes through o.22s. It’s gonna get clogged super fast and take super high pressure to push water through
Should’ve ordered 0.45s
Now Im on wellbutrin(bupropion) And I read that the rush If you IV is like cocaine rush, It is truth? I want to try it but in spain we dont have wheel filter I think, harm reduction associations give us a cotton filter only. I dont know if yo can buy it on the internet....
@plumbus-nine nothing to say?
Thank you in advance
Hey @kongoman
These things are available over the internet and should be unregulated by law in places like Europe/North America and likely elsewhere. For instance, I can totally see Russia banning Harm Reduction supplies like this arbitrarily, but this is not the norm.
Most people get their micron filters online anyway. It's really a "luxury item" as far as Harm Reduction is concerned. They probably include wheel filters in the kits at syringe exchanges in Malibu, Aspen or SOHO
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Can you explain how to use a micron filter?Hey @kongoman
These things are available over the internet and should be unregulated by law in places like Europe/North America and likely elsewhere. For instance, I can totally see Russia banning Harm Reduction supplies like this arbitrarily, but this is not the norm.
Most people get their micron filters online anyway. It's really a "luxury item" as far as Harm Reduction is concerned. They probably include wheel filters in the kits at syringe exchanges in Malibu, Aspen or SOHO
It comes with a luer lock in one of the filter side.
I need sirynges with luer lock?
I cant find any explanation of that
Thanks in advance
Hey there @kongoman
Yes, the wheel filters that I am familiar with are discs with a luer-lock port in the center. Using the filters involves drawing the solution up into you syringe, attaching the luer-lock syringe to the port on the filter, then pushing it through. Depending on what you're filtering, this is often a multi-step process, as you get to the higher degrees of filtration.
You can get luer-lock syringes on Amazon I reckon. I am not personally that familiar with micron filtration. It was never something I needed to dopersonally. I am somewhat surprised that a set of wheel filters wouldn't come with such a device. Let me know if you have any questions.
Yes, the wheel filters that I am familiar with are discs with a luer-lock port in the center. Using the filters involves drawing the solution up into you syringe, attaching the luer-lock syringe to the port on the filter, then pushing it through. Depending on what you're filtering, this is often a multi-step process, as you get to the higher degrees of filtration.
You can get luer-lock syringes on Amazon I reckon. I am not personally that familiar with micron filtration. It was never something I needed to dopersonally. I am somewhat surprised that a set of wheel filters wouldn't come with such a device. Let me know if you have any questions.
Dextro .45
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What a JOKE Bupropion (Wellbutrin) is lol ....negligible DAT properties at best...more of a NET reup inh.
Mephedrone (4-MMC) 4-Methyl-Meth-Cathinone on the other hand....a TRUE substituted Cathinone, insulfated or oral ....a 500% increase in Dopamine and a 950% increase in SERT.
Very euphoric & pleasurable....near pharmaceutical grade pure powder of 4-MMC to blast little lines while drinking Gin cocktails (further enhancing the pleasurable euphoric properties of both substances)
Ethanol is such a staple in an oral Speedball/Brompton Cocktail as it increases dopamine and has a MOA similarly to benzodiazepines/barbiturates
Bupropion in its oral dose 150-450mg max is only suitable orally as an antidepressants, mild stimulant with low to minimal abuse potential (in that it induces a very noticeable pleasurable euphoria)
Methylphenidate (Ritalin) - Easily my #1 Euphoric Cocaine substitute
Phenmetrazine (Preludin)
Cocaine (Numbrino lol)
Amphetamine (Adderall & Dexedrine)
Methamphetamine (Desoxyn)
Cathinone (Mephedrone) .....NOT Bupropion lol
Mephedrone (4-MMC) 4-Methyl-Meth-Cathinone on the other hand....a TRUE substituted Cathinone, insulfated or oral ....a 500% increase in Dopamine and a 950% increase in SERT.
Very euphoric & pleasurable....near pharmaceutical grade pure powder of 4-MMC to blast little lines while drinking Gin cocktails (further enhancing the pleasurable euphoric properties of both substances)
Ethanol is such a staple in an oral Speedball/Brompton Cocktail as it increases dopamine and has a MOA similarly to benzodiazepines/barbiturates
Bupropion in its oral dose 150-450mg max is only suitable orally as an antidepressants, mild stimulant with low to minimal abuse potential (in that it induces a very noticeable pleasurable euphoria)
Methylphenidate (Ritalin) - Easily my #1 Euphoric Cocaine substitute
Phenmetrazine (Preludin)
Cocaine (Numbrino lol)
Amphetamine (Adderall & Dexedrine)
Methamphetamine (Desoxyn)
Cathinone (Mephedrone) .....NOT Bupropion lol
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Do you know something of 3-MMA 3-methilmethamphetamine.?
THeres few info about this one and I have 1 gram tested in energy control. It comes only with some byproducts.
Thanks in advance
P.d. I abused bupropion insuflated for more than a year.
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Dextro .45
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It's significantly LESS pleasurable than 4-MMC
3-MMC which I also tried, is sub par..... internationally 4-MMC is very popular, and for good reason.
Genuine medical studies posted on medical journals with human study participants with Ethanol + Mephedrone and in rats etc
950% increase in Serotonin
500% increase in Dopamine
I always insulfate / snort thin little lines while drinking until I'm euphoric & happy. Don't over do it....taking a large oral dose on an empty stomach could backfire if you took too much.....slow onset and gets more powerful as the minutes go, panic and agitation set in
Just start small with any new batch.....thin little lines while waiting 30min before more ....once you know the batch/purity/how your body reacts to the drug....safe fun
3-MMC which I also tried, is sub par..... internationally 4-MMC is very popular, and for good reason.
Genuine medical studies posted on medical journals with human study participants with Ethanol + Mephedrone and in rats etc
950% increase in Serotonin
500% increase in Dopamine
I always insulfate / snort thin little lines while drinking until I'm euphoric & happy. Don't over do it....taking a large oral dose on an empty stomach could backfire if you took too much.....slow onset and gets more powerful as the minutes go, panic and agitation set in
Just start small with any new batch.....thin little lines while waiting 30min before more ....once you know the batch/purity/how your body reacts to the drug....safe fun
I'm sorry for interrupting the thread. I have to give my usual Public Service Announcement. I did not read the thread well enough originally. I missed the part implying that Bupropion was going to be used. I assume as an injection?
If you're gonna "abuse" Bupropion (Wellbutrin; Zyban), then of course I can't stop you. Bupropion is mistakenly perceived as being of little danger to the user. This is likely as the drug is prescribed typically as an "antidepressant". People then associate the drug with SSRI's while Bupropion is more closely related to CNS stimulants like Amphetamine. Bupropion is a substituted Cathinone (cathinones are very similar to Amphetamines in their effects). The effects of the drug are comparatively weak
When Bupropion is administered via non-oral routes, the drug produces effects similar to Amphetamine, but much weaker, shorter lasting and with horrid side effects. I am not proud of this, but I once binged on Bupropion when I was in a particularly dark place years ago. It's just a terrible experience in every way. You might get 5 minutes of euhporia, followed by hours of malaise, headaches and nausea.
Bupropion is known to produce severe compulsions for more when it is misused like this. Folks chase that first rush over and over until they eventually have a seizure and either die or get medical assistance. It is a practice that lends itself often to extreme negative consequences. I very much recommend nobody to ever misuse Bupropion. You absolutely will regret that you did.
Some know the story already. For those who don't, the gist is that a guy in Burlington, a known addict and polysubstance user most certainly regretted abusing Bupropion. He ran out of Cocaine one night, so he desperately binged on Bupropion in an attempt to satisfy the cravings. He was injecting Bupropion, multiple times and apparently all over his body.
As Bupropion is highly caustic to soft tissue, his veins rapidly disappeared. The only vein he could find was on the shaft of his penis. Mr. Stephen Hawking Jr decided he was better off injecting more Bupropion into his dick than if he were to stop and go to bed.
I guess the vein ruptured due to the massive insult of the Bupropion solution . He developed an abscess that would eventually lead to gangrenous conditions on the shaft of his penis. He was too embarrassed (I guess?) to get checked out. He waited 3-4 days before finally going to the hospital.
They had to amputate 3/4 of his penis. They tried to use the remaining flesh to fashion him a basic "nozzle" with which to aim when urinating. He ended up hanging himself later that year after a crack binge.
All of that over little old Bupropion. I wouldn't believe it had I not heard the story from the dude's own moutrh. Years of addiction, Alcohol, Opiates, Cigarettes, Cocaine... This guy was com[letely destroyed mentally and physically by Bupropion because he lost control and could not stop. I would really be careful with this shit. Underestimate its potential at your own peril.
If you're gonna "abuse" Bupropion (Wellbutrin; Zyban), then of course I can't stop you. Bupropion is mistakenly perceived as being of little danger to the user. This is likely as the drug is prescribed typically as an "antidepressant". People then associate the drug with SSRI's while Bupropion is more closely related to CNS stimulants like Amphetamine. Bupropion is a substituted Cathinone (cathinones are very similar to Amphetamines in their effects). The effects of the drug are comparatively weak
When Bupropion is administered via non-oral routes, the drug produces effects similar to Amphetamine, but much weaker, shorter lasting and with horrid side effects. I am not proud of this, but I once binged on Bupropion when I was in a particularly dark place years ago. It's just a terrible experience in every way. You might get 5 minutes of euhporia, followed by hours of malaise, headaches and nausea.
Bupropion is known to produce severe compulsions for more when it is misused like this. Folks chase that first rush over and over until they eventually have a seizure and either die or get medical assistance. It is a practice that lends itself often to extreme negative consequences. I very much recommend nobody to ever misuse Bupropion. You absolutely will regret that you did.
Some know the story already. For those who don't, the gist is that a guy in Burlington, a known addict and polysubstance user most certainly regretted abusing Bupropion. He ran out of Cocaine one night, so he desperately binged on Bupropion in an attempt to satisfy the cravings. He was injecting Bupropion, multiple times and apparently all over his body.
As Bupropion is highly caustic to soft tissue, his veins rapidly disappeared. The only vein he could find was on the shaft of his penis. Mr. Stephen Hawking Jr decided he was better off injecting more Bupropion into his dick than if he were to stop and go to bed.
I guess the vein ruptured due to the massive insult of the Bupropion solution . He developed an abscess that would eventually lead to gangrenous conditions on the shaft of his penis. He was too embarrassed (I guess?) to get checked out. He waited 3-4 days before finally going to the hospital.
They had to amputate 3/4 of his penis. They tried to use the remaining flesh to fashion him a basic "nozzle" with which to aim when urinating. He ended up hanging himself later that year after a crack binge.
All of that over little old Bupropion. I wouldn't believe it had I not heard the story from the dude's own moutrh. Years of addiction, Alcohol, Opiates, Cigarettes, Cocaine... This guy was com[letely destroyed mentally and physically by Bupropion because he lost control and could not stop. I would really be careful with this shit. Underestimate its potential at your own peril.