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whats the point in being a good person?

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chrisalt

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Im starting to lose the good person inside me, Life is sucking it out of my soul. Having thoughts think of being evil for the sake of being evil.


If there are no consequences after life why not?
 
The good person inside of me died a long time ago. I still do good things for people.. even if it is for the wrong reasons. After all the shit I've gone through my whole life, I came to the conclusion that life is pointless, and I stopped caring. I was betrayed, by multiple people including my father. I am now the most cynical bastard you could ever meet, and I have a deep inner hatred for the world and everyone in it (except my mother, who is the only truly selfless and "good" person I have ever met".
 
Mainly, to be a good person. Whether there is more after death or not, you have to live with yourself however long you have. It's much nicer to live with a loving person whether alone or not, than otherwise. It means being vulnerable, but denying that vulnerability comes at the cost of all meaning and hope. But I don't know any way to see the difference than to experience the extremes. That's why, I think, life has to suck, at least for a while.
 
Eyes On the Roll said:
The good person inside of me died a long time ago. I still do good things for people.. even if it is for the wrong reasons. After all the shit I've gone through my whole life, I came to the conclusion that life is pointless, and I stopped caring. I was betrayed, by multiple people including my father. I am now the most cynical bastard you could ever meet, and I have a deep inner hatred for the world and everyone in it (except my mother, who is the only truly selfless and "good" person I have ever met".
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damn straight. im the exact same, except for the last part. everyone does everything for themselves, its how people work. they always have and they always will, whether you realize it or not. if you think about it even 'selfless' things people do are for themselves. i have never met a single person in this world who disproves that fact. ultimately, i am pretty much the same way, and realizing that everyone does everything for themselves has completely changed my life in my opinion. the saying 'its only wrong/bad/illegal/etc if you get caught' is pretty much the way i live.

to the creator of the thread; dont be evil just to be evil. that is just stupid. just do whatever serves your purposes the best, fuck society's so called 'morality', and just play every situation to your advantage. if it serves your purposes. this does not mean that you should ruin relationships etc just to get something from someone, because ultimately relationships and helping others can benefit you. the irony of all of this is that in the end, even when people do things for other people, it is because they expect something in return. for example, if two people are in a relationship, both people are in the relationship for their own benefit. the reasons could be for sex, for love, for comfort, for support, whatever. but both people are in the relationship to benefit themselves, even if they think that their only desire is to make the other person happy, because subconsciously they know that if the other person is happy, the mood will reciprocate. if you think about it, everyone does everything for themselves and morals are shaped by an individual's perspective. you decide what is 'good' and what is 'evil' but just remember everyone does everything for themselves. take advantage of whatever you can if the benefit outweighs the cost. you however must decide what the benefits and costs are psychologically and add them to the real world consequences and benefits. forget good and evil. the way i look at it, whatever gets you the most dopamine/serotonin/norepinephrine/ other pleasurable neurotransmitters in your brain is what will make you happiest.

sorry for the long winded post. i just didnt think i was doing a very good job of explaining it. whatever.
 
Tbh I don't know, cause I'm so open minded. But, I really don't care, I'm impartial to just about everything. Even in this life I know the consequences, but I ignore them.
 
Giving into evil, or just saying "fuck everyone I don't care anymore" is the easy way out.

Also, doing bad things makes you feel like a bad person, I don't want to feel that way, so I do good things. I want to feel good about myself
and not look over my shoulder every minute waiting for shit kharma to make my life that much worse.

If you help people, and do good things, simple fact is it always comes back to benefit you in some way. I'm not talking about being a doormat
and letting people walk all over you, I'm talking about helping people who need it. That makes you feel good. If you want to be evil, so be it,
but something tells me THATS whats breaking you down. Positivity builds you up, so really this is quite the no brainer for me at least.

-Bo
 
tricomb said:
To have others treat you as you treat them, and as you treat yourself.
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This. The only part of any religious doctrine that has ever made sense and it's not confined to Christianity. Let me ask this though, is anyone ever truly altruistic (doing good just for good's sake). I have done charity work in the past but it made me feel good and got me some kudos. Altruism is a myth I think, there is always something in it for you. Otherwise, what's the point?
 
I do it for habitual reasons. I have no logical reason to be 'good', nor do I gain any positive feelings from doing 'good' things.
A lot of my demeanour goes unexamined, and I do a lot of things in spite of logic/reason just because of conformity and apathy.
The way I act doesn't even make sense, but I can't be fucked changing it.
 
Well it depends on how you see it, for evolutionary reasons to continue the species. Because if everyone was evil nothing would last. But for your own reasons, because you are good and it's sometimes as simple as that. The fact you posted this thread about your inner conflict shows you're a good person.
Addiction/up bringing etc can change your view on life (it's changed mine) but I'm still an all round good person. I admit, I lie, manipulate and even hurt peoples feelings when I know it will. But only because they either hurt mine, or deserve it. There is no need to hate on everyone, although I understand COMPLETELY where your coming from. Trust me, I don't trust neither of my parents or anyone else fully.
Fully agree with gearfiend.
 
I don't believe in good people.

I think that's all a bunch of horse shit.

People have the characteristics of being human. People can ACT evil, but not actually BE evil.

People can Do Good Things, but that doesn't make them Good People.

A person is not a good person, a bad person, a hamburger, or a pint of vodka. A person = A person. Nothing more.
A person is not right while the other is wrong.

By the way, what is the point of ANYTHING?
 
ugly said:
I don't believe in good people.

I think that's all a bunch of horse shit.

People have the characteristics of being human. People can ACT evil, but not actually BE evil.

People can Do Good Things, but that doesn't make them Good People.

A person is not a good person, a bad person, a hamburger, or a pint of vodka. A person = A person. Nothing more.
A person is not right while the other is wrong.

By the way, what is the point of ANYTHING?
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Very good point man
 
captaincaveman said:
tricomb said:
To have others treat you as you treat them, and as you treat yourself.
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This. The only part of any religious doctrine that has ever made sense and it's not confined to Christianity.
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This idea of "love your friends" is pretty universal, not even confined to religion. The "love your enemies" of Christianity distinguishes it. The goal isn't to have others treat you as you treat them, it is to treat them in a loving way as an expression of a loving identity, and in gratitude to the source of life.
captaincaveman said:
Let me ask this though, is anyone ever truly altruistic (doing good just for good's sake). I have done charity work in the past but it made me feel good and got me some kudos. Altruism is a myth I think, there is always something in it for you. Otherwise, what's the point?
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I agree. In my experience, even the most apparently selfless acts, like doing anonymous, random acts of kindness to strangers that won't be seen again, is motivated by the pleasure it brings to imagine and participate in those activities. It has been said that surrendering to God is the most selfish act because it brings complete fulfillment. So the usual definition of "selfish" - to act without regard for others - needs to be distinguished here.
ugly said:
I don't believe in good people.

I think that's all a bunch of horse shit.

People have the characteristics of being human. People can ACT evil, but not actually BE evil.

People can Do Good Things, but that doesn't make them Good People.

A person is not a good person, a bad person, a hamburger, or a pint of vodka. A person = A person. Nothing more.
A person is not right while the other is wrong.

By the way, what is the point of ANYTHING?
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It seems to me that what you are expressing is an assumption - that people are basically neither good nor evil. And also the assumption, I think, that it is not up to a person to define what they fundamentally are.

I share that second assumption, though most of my Christian brothers, I think, do not, in that they see salvation as being changed from a bad person to a good person rather than recognizing the goodness behind an evil disguise. It isn't the behavior that makes a person good or evil. A person behaves in good or evil ways depending on the assumptions they have made about their fundamental nature, whether it is good or evil. And what they assume for themselves and others must be logically linked, since it is hard to deny we all come from the same dust.

I might even agree with the first assumption in a way. I see people as fundamentally good, but that goodness comes from beyond them, not as a self-generated feature. As Jesus said, "Why do you call me good? Only the Father is good."
 
delic said:
This idea of "love your friends" is pretty universal, not even confined to religion. The "love your enemies" of Christianity distinguishes it. The goal isn't to have others treat you as you treat them, it is to treat them in a loving way as an expression of a loving identity, and in gratitude to the source of life.

I agree. In my experience, even the most apparently selfless acts, like doing anonymous, random acts of kindness to strangers that won't be seen again, is motivated by the pleasure it brings to imagine and participate in those activities. It has been said that surrendering to God is the most selfish act because it brings complete fulfillment. So the usual definition of "selfish" - to act without regard for others - needs to be distinguished here.

It seems to me that what you are expressing is an assumption - that people are basically neither good nor evil. And also the assumption, I think, that it is not up to a person to define what they fundamentally are.

I share that second assumption, though most of my Christian brothers, I think, do not, in that they see salvation as being changed from a bad person to a good person rather than recognizing the goodness behind an evil disguise. It isn't the behavior that makes a person good or evil. A person behaves in good or evil ways depending on the assumptions they have made about their fundamental nature, whether it is good or evil. And what they assume for themselves and others must be logically linked, since it is hard to deny we all come from the same dust.

I might even agree with the first assumption in a way. I see people as fundamentally good, but that goodness comes from beyond them, not as a self-generated feature. As Jesus said, "Why do you call me good? Only the Father is good."
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An intelligent Christian, nice mate xD Please don't take that the wrong way. Just havn't met many, oh and apart from the small religious element. You pretty much said what I was thinking, only better :D As you say, helping someone may feel nice and make you feel good. But that doesn't make it purely selfish it's a kind of way of your brain rewarding you. And being happy for what you did. What if being kind for no reason made you feel nothing? Or hatred? Then there would be no humanity in the world at all.
 
Even taking a bullet for someone you love could be egotisical, because YOU don't want them to die. And depending on how it goes down, you might expect to die from the incident. And not feel any pain, but I could go on about good and bad right or wrong. Just try to be true to who you are, and not what you are is the best thing to do imo.
 
EVERYTHING you do originates from desire. Every single thing. That's not to say that because you're the holder of desire that it's origins are egotistical. There's also intention/outcome, personal/impersonal consequence(s), as well as the relative situation. Good and bad only exist in human minds as a form of control and limitation. Good and bad ARE egotistical, as people do good things to look good and refrain from bad things to keep their good image. Everyone does things for the consequences, whether that's to feel good, or to avoid feeling bad, or make friends, or avoid enemies, or create smiles, or whatever the fuck. Morals are just means of conformity to dogmatic beliefs in modern times.
 
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