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what's the best street fighting style?

Robot J said:
well i don't really know if you were agreeing or disagreeing with me here

To me it seems as though you were more or less dismissing MMA offhand. Certainly there are differences between an MMA fight and a real fight but there are way more similarities between the two.

but i find it hard to believe that a streetfight would go down the same as a regulated one.

But so many of them do.Two people get in a scuffle it generally includes some striking followed by some grappling. Wherein one person usually winds up on top and pounds on the other till they give. Much like MMA. Not every street fight ends with 10 guys stomping on everyone or with someone pulling a gun or a knife. In fact, the vast majority of them don't.

Certainly these things are a risk in a "real fight". Fighting is risky business. But all the same, they're relatively unlikely and don't negate the training you do. If we're going to assume that everyone has buddies and/or a weapon then the obvious best "street fighting" style is combat shooting.

But when you look at things more realistically it's apparent to me that you're probably going to have more occasions where combat sports training is going to better serve you then pulling out a gun or a knife or smashing a bottle in someones face.
 
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Unfortunately a lot of the places that train Krav Maga and other such "reality based self defense" styles do not train with seriously non compliant opponents.

What you often get is glorified roleplaying, you might pick up some ideas but you're not going to become a great fighter simply because you're mostly theorizing about the moves you practice and about your ability to preform them.

If you do not train hard, if you do not train with fully resisting opponents. If you do not gear up and throw down then you're just pretending.
 
For example.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KfgWhEAOJ9A

This video right... They're hitting pads, that's a start, some martial arts wont even do that...I wont bother with critique of their pad technique. (Well...except for lol at those terrible kicks)

Anyways, what I'm talking about comes later in the video where their doing "roleplaying" through scenarios. The attacker does something and then the defender counters and the attacker just lets it happen with no resistance.

This makes up a tremendous portion, and in fact is sometimes the end all be all of training in some schools and some martial arts.

But 'll tell you straight up, if you walk into a school....ask about sparring...if they tell you that they don't spar because their moves are to dangerous (this goes for any martial art)...turn around and walk away because you're not going to learn anything but how to pretend to be a fighter.
 
Alittle boxing and wrestling/grappling with some core strength. But most of all the ability to fight fear and implement your will!
 
Fighting styles can be thrown to the wind for street fights.

In a 1 on 1, no rules fight, the winner will be determined by:

Whoever is the biggest/strongest/fastest,

Whoever fights the dirtiest

or a combination of the two.

The exceptions to the above are the highly trained which represent less than 0.01 % of the world's population. For the rest of the population, it holds true for the most part.

On the other hand, you never know who's going to win a fight. Luck believe it or not plays a large role.
 
mooncaller said:
But 'll tell you straight up, if you walk into a school....ask about sparring...if they tell you that they don't spar because their moves are to dangerous (this goes for any martial art)...turn around and walk away because you're not going to learn anything but how to pretend to be a fighter.

Do you think compliant partner training has any benefits? I mean, some moves really are to dangerous to really practice imo (knee kick, throat punch etc.). Also, I thought that any krav maga place worth it's salt has full sparring?
 
^ But when you have to fight it's a different story. Defending yourself and inciting violence are two different things.
 
I just started aikido it's definitely not the best street fighting style as your ultimate goal is to not hurt you're attacker, but disable them.

I've been in "street fights" and usually got my ass handed to me like hospitalized style, I think the best street fighting style is pretty simple fight Real fucking dirty....

I hate fighting and avoid it at all costs but if someone insisted upon hurting me, I'd just fight really fucking dirty.
 
JerryBlunted said:
ever see Indiana Jones where the guy is doing all these crazy sword forms and then Indy just whips out his pistol and puts him down?

in all seriousness, in a real life fighting situation no style is going to serve you well. being experienced in various facets of fighting, calm, and able to absorb some damage will probably be what wins versus a black belt in this that or the other martial art.

I saw an interview with Clint Eastwood and that's not how the scene was supposed to go, but he got some virus, and was extremely ill so as a joke he did that, and they decided to keep it. funny story... completely ot
 
Mehm said:
Do you think compliant partner training has any benefits?

Pretty much only for noobs or new techniques. Maybe as a conceptual thing from time to time. I use compliant partner drills when I teach weapons more then anything, and even then I prefer to get people geared up and sparring as soon as they get some semblance of the basics going.


I mean, some moves really are to dangerous to really practice imo (knee kick, throat punch etc.)

Are they really that dangerous? Or are these more assumptions that people make? I've been kicked in the knee, kicked others in the knee, been hit in the throat, hit others in the throat.

As far as the throat goes, it's actually quite resilient and getting hit there is in my experience generally more a matter of it sucks because it fucks up the rythym of your breathing rather then it being anything that drops someone to their knees gasping for air like some movie i recently saw that in.

In addition to that it's a small target that's difficult to hit and most people who have been in a number of fights know that fighting usually becomes a matter of general targets. "head" "body" "leg" that kind of thing. It's hard to think of specifics when you're engaged.

For instance...when boxers, kickboxers...etc...train...we train with the intention of hitting the jaw because the jaw is basically the knockout button. Out of a dozen fights in the past 2 years I think I've pretty much only ever remembered to aim for "head". (Except for when people bleed...that usually encourages/reminds me to hit "nose" to make more blood) As an aside my old boxing coach encouraged me to hit people in the throat if I could sneak it in from time to time.

As far as the knee goes. Once again it's a relatively small target and most people aren't going to be able to reliably hit it and even then hitting the knee is going to not do all that much damage unless it's more or less straight already and you hit it straight on.

Getting the timing and targeting right on that one is going to require one to be able to keep a cool head in a fight and only in fight experience will give you that. Even out of people that train "martial arts" I doubt that many of them have the ability to really stop someone with it even if they think they do. It's one of those things that you'd want to do to someone right before the fight starts.

The only time I would use it is if my opponent is up on one leg, probably trying to kick me and has one leg planted and more or less straightened. Most people dont and more importantly *wont ever* have the kind of ability it takes to do that kind of simultaneous counter for real. I think I could do it because I have a lot of success kicking peoples legs out from under them when they try and kick me. But I don't think I could do it if I practiced knee kicks on compliant partners more often then I sparred with non-compliant ones.


Also, I thought that any krav maga place worth it's salt has full sparring?

"Worth it's salt" would be the operative phrase here. I would say that "full sparring" is present at any gym "worth it's salt" no matter what "style" they're teaching.

Unfortunately, things are not always so. I've certainly heard of krav maga gyms that don't spar because "our moves are to dangerous...someone could get seriously hurt".
 
To me it seems as though you were more or less dismissing MMA offhand. Certainly there are differences between an MMA fight and a real fight but there are way more similarities between the two.

they're very similiar, and yes, there may be few differences. but where there are differences, they''re stark and they matter a great deal.

But so many of them do.Two people get in a scuffle it generally includes some striking followed by some grappling. Wherein one person usually winds up on top and pounds on the other till they give. Much like MMA. Not every street fight ends with 10 guys stomping on everyone or with someone pulling a gun or a knife. In fact, the vast majority of them don't.

Certainly these things are a risk in a "real fight". Fighting is risky business. But all the same, they're relatively unlikely and don't negate the training you do. If we're going to assume that everyone has buddies and/or a weapon then the obvious best "street fighting" style is combat shooting.

But when you look at things more realistically it's apparent to me that you're probably going to have more occasions where combat sports training is going to better serve you then pulling out a gun or a knife or smashing a bottle in someones face.

ofcourse if it's pure hand to hand combat, the MMA trained guy will come out on top. but let's not forget it's not, "against the rules" to do that which you can't in MMA. i'm not sure how many street fights we'd even consider "fair fights". no weight classes for that matter. all i'm getting at it is while MMA would help a great deal in 1v1 street fight, minus weapons (i'm sure the MMA guy could kill his opponent with his bare hands if he really wanted to), it really wouldn't if these conditions aren't met. and who's to presume the guy in the bar who wants to brawl isn't packing heat? ever watch the 6 o'clock news, and the amount of murders that happens right in the parking lot of bars due to a scuffle inside the bar? i'm pretty sure the guy who got killed was assuming the other guy wasn't going to pull out a gun. ofcourse, realistically, it's more rational to just settle differences with fists, but not everyone is that rational.
 
Robot J said:
they're very similiar, and yes, there may be few differences. but where there are differences, they''re stark and they matter a great deal.

But they don't matter in the sense that they're any kind of determining factor as to how one should train to fight. You're not going to karate chop bullets anymore so then you're going to punch bullets in the throat any more so then you're going to choke bullets out. So for all the worry of "multiple attackers" and "weapons" they're mostly a non issue in so far as determining how best to train to fight.


ofcourse if it's pure hand to hand combat, the MMA trained guy will come out on top. but let's not forget it's not, "against the rules" to do that which you can't in MMA. i'm not sure how many street fights we'd even consider "fair fights".

Haven't I addressed this already? "No rules" means "no rules" for someone who trains as well. I train...i still have friends that can jump in (often also trained) I still carry a gun. I can still pick up a beer bottle and smash it on your face and then roll you over and rub your face in the pieces.

My options are as boundless as anyone elses. On top of that through training one becomes better capable of doing these things both in the sense that they have the know how and cool head to execute them, and also in the sense that you get athletic as a motherfuck when you train for a fight. All putting you in a better position then just sitting back and saying "well...there are differences between MMA and a real fight...someone might have a gun..so training doesnt matter".


no weight classes for that matter.

Weight isn't nearly so much an issue when comparing athletes and average joes. I'm a 150~lb give or take 5 pounds. Not real huge. But I'm 150lbs of trained conditioned athlete. If you put 180lb joe average in front of me I'm going to fuck him up hardcore. Which is yet another reason to train for combat sports. You get the athleticism on top of the skills.

all i'm getting at it is while MMA would help a great deal in 1v1 street fight, minus weapons (i'm sure the MMA guy could kill his opponent with his bare hands if he really wanted to), it really wouldn't if these conditions aren't met. and who's to presume the guy in the bar who wants to brawl isn't packing heat? ever watch the 6 o'clock news, and the amount of murders that happens right in the parking lot of bars due to a scuffle inside the bar?

Not all that many compared to the amount of fights in any given bar. Yeh, it happens. But it's extremely rare compared to the amount of times someone gets in a bar scuffle, get's kicked out, and moves on.

Yeh..you might get jumped by 5 guys with chainsaws and nunchucks. Yeh, someone might pull a gun out from under their coat. But the vast majority of "real fights" arent like that.

So it comes down to this...does it really make sense to sit back and dismiss the advantage you could be getting based on the fact that one time out of 500 someone might pull a gun or ave their buddies jump in?

In my eyes, it doesnt. In fact, being an aggressive trained athlete is going to put you in a better position to act aggressively quickly even if someone does pull a weapon, and it's going to make you better able to think on your feet and handle multiple people if need be.

So let's not be silly and pretend that the vast majority of street fights end with a gun fight or with a bunch of people jumping in and stomping the guy who's winning. It happens but it's not something you can really prepare for except by avoiding fighting. Therefore it has nothing to do with determining the best way to win a "real fight".
 
i never opened this forum before, but it's raining outside and i just wondered if there was an aikido thread
this is the only one that came out

i've been practicing for a little while, and i'm in love with aikido
after every class i come out with a huge smile and thinking how intelligent this martial art is

aikido..supposedly one of the best defensive systems around.
it's very relative
and if we're talking concretely, it is definitely not the best "self-defense" style

mainly because it takes a long time to know what you're doing at all

also because the techniques are not street-fight orientated at all
and a good part of the attacks would never happen in real life

but the techniques are one thing
the ideas, tricks and reflexes that you learn are something else

in a street fight, you wouldn't try to reproduce the techniques that are often complex choreographies, but you would use the tricks you've learned
and they can be extremelly useful and effective

I once downloaded an Aikido guide; the whole thing focused on talking one's way out of a fight. No physical moves were mentioned at all.
i think i read the same one
and it's right on the point

if you have a fighter's mentality, you're not going to practice aikido anyway because you won't find what you're looking for

and if you like aikido, you probably don't want to get into a fight in the first place

the main idea is to avoid conflict, not to show your manliness by fighting back with rage

it's useable in all aspects of life, not just on a tatami
if you actually understand the concepts of aikido, then it's not a martial art, it's a way of life
you can do aikido in the way you talk to others, open a door or walk in a busy street

as i said, i can wake up depressed, go to my aikido class, and inevitably come out with a huge smile on my face
because the moves feel so good, because there are no bad feelings or intentions, because i felt like doing something contructive rather than destructive, because you help the others during the practice rather than try to beat them

but although the idea of the guide is the right one, what i'd like to add is that in case the person in front of you has only fight in his mind, this idea of avoiding conflict translates perfectly into moves too

now i'm practicing aikikai, but before that i did a little bit of ki-aikido, and the concept of avoiding the conflict by "following the idea of the opponent" was more explicitly used

pretty much, the idea is "you want to punch me in the face? ok. i'll help you do exactly the move you want to do. but i won't be there to receive the punch and i'll use all the force you put into it to your disadvantage"

Because a martial art that is both complex and relies on almost nothing but compliant partner training is a fantastic way to get your ass beaten up
practicing aikido relies on a compliant partner because the point is to harmoniously realize pleasing techniques, not to reproduce a street fight

but that wouldn't be the case of aikido used in a street fight
the difference would be that instead of nicely rolling away, the partner (this time "opponent") would end up with his hand broken or his face into the wall


Bottle upside the face.
except if you come from behind or that the guy is unaware and that you can strike first for sure, then no

that's actually an example where aikido has tenths of techniques to counter the attack (comes from the idea of a frontal strike with a sword)

to strike with a bottle someone who is good at aikido means to loose the fight
any combo of eye gouging and knees to the crotch are the best. also fish-hooking, biting, finger snapping and throat punches.
I've always been under the impression that plain old boxing is by far the most effective style in a real fight.
if you can hit first, you're right

and as an answer to mehm's question, i'd just say that it matters more who gets to give the real first blow than what martial art he practices

if you're good enough, aikido allows you to use to the opponent's first blow against him
but once again, if you're surprised or just not that good, a regular boxing punch or a finger in the eye would quickly put you out of the game

10 guys stomping on everyone or with someone pulling a gun or a knife
i don't know much about other martial arts, but my opinion is that aikido is quite efficient against a knife (or gun only at very close range)

if there are several attackers, and if there is enough place to do so, most techniques can also be realized in a way to always keep or put back an opponent between you and the others
so defense against multiple attackers is definitely included in high level aikido training

but once again, you'd have to practice years to put that in practice
 
the best street fighting style is guns and friends

street fights are stupid cause anything can happen like someone jumps in, stabs you, bricks your face, etc.

Also if you've ever seen somebody get shit kicked then curb stomped you kinda want to avoid "street fighting" cause who knows whats gonna happen to u if you don't "win"
 
Are we talking best street fighting style in terms of self-defense or entertainment value?

For self defense, I'd say wrestling because that's where most fights end up.

But better than that is not getting into a fight in the first place. Diplomacy skills.
 
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