Whats REALLY going on here???

[Zerrr]

Any thoughts on the The Holographic Universe?

forgive me if I am missing something..

Foreigner, if I were to accept that we are thinking on the same level here, wouldn't your posts just be another illusion which only exists in my own mind? (which technically isn't even my own mind)

 

[ebola?]

There is no world and no self viewing it. The illusion is like a Russian doll. The biggest doll contains the universe as we 'know it', but once you step into intellectualization, you're within yet another doll inside the doll.

I find the deployment of reason in exploration of its own underpinnings, to the point of undermining them, to be useful in surmounting such obstacles.

ebola

 

[Foreigner]

I find the deployment of reason in exploration of its own underpinnings, to the point of undermining them, to be useful in surmounting such obstacles.

ebola

Yes... and I would define reason, at its highest potential, as stemming from a mind that has debunked all window dressing and delusion surrounding core consciousness. A mind such as that could be trusted to discern the truth. Anything else is just intellectualization as attachment and illusion.

I don't know that I'm there yet.

 

[Acanthus]

I came to those exact conclusions on 4-HO-DMT.

Another aspect to it all I was shown was that we are all infinite beings, and that death is merely a transition (and for many a graduation) into a new reality. The only way we can learn properly, is to live out "lives" within this program, as generally unpleasant as it often is, until we have learned what is necessary. It is then that we stop reincarnating, and "move on".

 

[Pieter210]

There is no world and no self viewing it. The illusion is like a Russian doll. The biggest doll contains the universe as we 'know it', but once you step into intellectualization, you're within yet another doll inside the doll.

If you go to the theatre and watch a movie, the intellect may believe the story is real because it will identify with the story and become part of it. Or, you can simply see it as: I'm in this room and there's a picture being projected on the wall, and I paid for it, and I'm not even here. You can step back until even your story is not believable. As soon as you intellectually relate with the story, you're in another layer of illusion. Psychedelics are the exact same thing, so is anything else. Illusions within illusions. We're taught in school to intellectualize what the teacher says and the more precisely you can do it, the higher grades you get. We have been taught to value the doll inside the doll instead of seeing the biggest doll for what it is. Once we give up that kind of insight, we're asleep at the wheel.

Interesting post, but I think I do not understand.

How do you see "the biggest doll"?

I agree other people only exist in my mind and I suppose I exist in their minds. But what's the illusion then?

Tkx.

 

[Shrooms00087]

So after using drugs you think you experienced The Godhead? That's a bit lofty of a claim but then so was the quantum physics and string theory. (I blame all this on New Age spiritualism and the poor scientist philosophers trying to explain ideas to the lay). So lets excuse that.

If I understand your post:
Energy exists under the ordered Cosmos which makes up the Universe. Energy as such can be interpreted in a language (math/whatever/whatever) which makes it intelligent. Then you can look inward to translate this 'energy' (whatever this means to you). However I take issues with:

4) & 5) [We] are not One being. We constitute One in society and that makes us connected into Being and/or Nothingness. "While All is in The All, it is equally true that The All is in All."

Who is to say that Evolution isn't the same expressible intelligence as the 'energy' you encountered? For instance going backwards to what you learned the relation to evolution [and] intelligence is that we the society can evolve through intelligence, etc.

But no seriously, religion has very strict definitions and rules, as often happens with psychedelics your symbolic order was thrown into Total Abyss. So you're left with Spiritual residue and excitement over this nonsensical experience. I really want to hear back from you in like 3 months to see if you're still this enthusiastic

 

[Eveleivibe]

Here is all I know for sure…. No I can't prove it. Take a massive dose of IV DMT if you want to experience the god head.(what a massive understatement)

1) There is an intelligence/energy running the whole cosmos and universe.

2) This intelligence/energy is inside EVERYTHING that exists.

3) We are unique physical manifestations of this energy expressing itself in a multitude of ways. It expresses itself everywhere in life and nature.

4) we are really all One infinite being and connected

5) The whole universe is deep inside every human being as the true "self"

6) We were created so this energy could experience and live in the 3rd dimension of the physical. This energy cannot type on a keyboard or experience duality at its true source. Humans are the cutting edge of life and evolution of the Universe. Who's to say Evolution did not happen WITH intelligence.


DMT is much more than a drug. It is a gateway to another reality. The real reality of who we really are.

Ofcourse I cannot prove any of this. But quantum physics and string theory proves all this.


Just looking to hear from people who can relate to anything I've said. There is no right or wrong;

This is just MY truth and experience.

Peace & Love fellow divine incarnate

This is something I'm going to have to take time to think about. I believe we're all energy for sure. I'm not sure about the intelligence?
Certainly some fascinating assumptions that you've brought up.

Evey xxxx

 

[elucidator]

There is no world and no self viewing it. The illusion is like a Russian doll. The biggest doll contains the universe as we 'know it', but once you step into intellectualization, you're within yet another doll inside the doll.

If you go to the theatre and watch a movie, the intellect may believe the story is real because it will identify with the story and become part of it. Or, you can simply see it as: I'm in this room and there's a picture being projected on the wall, and I paid for it, and I'm not even here. You can step back until even your story is not believable. As soon as you intellectually relate with the story, you're in another layer of illusion. Psychedelics are the exact same thing, so is anything else. Illusions within illusions. We're taught in school to intellectualize what the teacher says and the more precisely you can do it, the higher grades you get. We have been taught to value the doll inside the doll instead of seeing the biggest doll for what it is. Once we give up that kind of insight, we're asleep at the wheel.

Interesting post, but I think I do not understand.

How do you see "the biggest doll"?

I agree other people only exist in my mind and I suppose I exist in their minds. But what's the illusion then?

Tkx.

I think the key point in Foreigners post was that the Universe is the biggest Russian doll as we know it
The number of metaphorical Russian dolls of reality perception, and of reality itself, is infinite imho, both inwards and outwards.

I came to those exact conclusions on 4-HO-DMT.

Another aspect to it all I was shown was that we are all infinite beings, and that death is merely a transition (and for many a graduation) into a new reality. The only way we can learn properly, is to live out "lives" within this program, as generally unpleasant as it often is, until we have learned what is necessary. It is then that we stop reincarnating, and "move on".

Spot on

 

[Zerrr]

I made a post about this idea on a more accessible internet site and now I think everyone is messing with me.

 

[Ninae]

This is exactly how I experience life, and would describe it word by word, although I've never taken DMT or psychedelics.

I'd love to experience it, though, even if it wouldn't make any difference to my outlook. Oh well, guess that is what death is good for. You can clearly see children come into this world with this consciousness. Anything else is foreign to a new-born child.

And the need to become like little children to enter the kingdom of heaven...one gem that actually slipped through the Bible.

 

[-=SS=-]

Here is all I know for sure…. No I can't prove it. Take a massive dose of IV DMT if you want to experience the god head.(what a massive understatement)

1) There is an intelligence/energy running the whole cosmos and universe.

2) This intelligence/energy is inside EVERYTHING that exists.

3) We are unique physical manifestations of this energy expressing itself in a multitude of ways. It expresses itself everywhere in life and nature.

4) we are really all One infinite being and connected

5) The whole universe is deep inside every human being as the true "self"

6) We were created so this energy could experience and live in the 3rd dimension of the physical. This energy cannot type on a keyboard or experience duality at its true source. Humans are the cutting edge of life and evolution of the Universe. Who's to say Evolution did not happen WITH intelligence.


DMT is much more than a drug. It is a gateway to another reality. The real reality of who we really are.

Ofcourse I cannot prove any of this. But quantum physics and string theory proves all this.

I've taken DMT several times and whilst I believed it answered questions for me, now I realize it actually posed more questions and didn't answer all that much. One thing it did make me realize was that humans are robots. It was only upon reading this years later that I remembered that moment during the trip when I managed to open my eyes and I saw my friends in the room.. and it dawned on me in an instant. I've experienced DMT through meditation alone, and whilst it lasted no more than 30 seconds it was way more profound than smoking it.. it was so much clearer. I don't think you're supposed to be in that space until you're ready, for your own protection. That was the other thing I realized when I smoked it.. that there are entities in that space that are fucking malicious and will do you harm. I had to "push" one away with a part of myself that I didn't even know existed until that point.. like the real me, my essence or whatever, came to the foreground and protected my integrity.

I don't believe the DMT space is the Godhead. I'm more certain it is an astral space of some sort, as I've been immersed in that space through meditation and inbetween states during sleep. Second to that point I don't believe there is any substance that can take you all the way. You could get a glimpse perhaps, but to go all the way you have to go all the way, and that takes action.. there are no shortcuts.


If you can't prove what you've just said then you don't know for sure. To say you know for sure means you have proved it. I imagine you had ideas in your head before taking DMT and it's validated them for you. But that's not the same as starting from nothing and coming to that point. Not saying I disagree with your conclusions, I thought the same way, but now I know you have to start from zero and prove before postulating. We're all ignorant until we know everything.

 

[cire113]

I've taken DMT several times and whilst I believed it answered questions for me, now I realize it actually posed more questions and didn't answer all that much. One thing it did make me realize was that humans are robots. It was only upon reading this years later that I remembered that moment during the trip when I managed to open my eyes and I saw my friends in the room.. and it dawned on me in an instant. I've experienced DMT through meditation alone, and whilst it lasted no more than 30 seconds it was way more profound than smoking it.. it was so much clearer. I don't think you're supposed to be in that space until you're ready, for your own protection. That was the other thing I realized when I smoked it.. that there are entities in that space that are fucking malicious and will do you harm. I had to "push" one away with a part of myself that I didn't even know existed until that point.. like the real me, my essence or whatever, came to the foreground and protected my integrity.

I don't believe the DMT space is the Godhead. I'm more certain it is an astral space of some sort, as I've been immersed in that space through meditation and inbetween states during sleep. Second to that point I don't believe there is any substance that can take you all the way. You could get a glimpse perhaps, but to go all the way you have to go all the way, and that takes action.. there are no shortcuts.


If you can't prove what you've just said then you don't know for sure. To say you know for sure means you have proved it. I imagine you had ideas in your head before taking DMT and it's validated them for you. But that's not the same as starting from nothing and coming to that point. Not saying I disagree with your conclusions, I thought the same way, but now I know you have to start from zero and prove before postulating. We're all ignorant until we know everything.

I respect your opinion but this isn't even close to what I experienced or have come to understand.

If you cannot prove something or quantify it in scientific terms it doesn't mean it isn true.

What we can see feel touch and measure is only a small % of what really exists.

Much of this stuff has no quantifiable or logical explanation.

Then the ego freaks out and cannot accept this . Anyways that's another rant

I would further explain in human language what I experienced but it is useless because every seperate human is still confined within their own paradigm.

Most of what I speak is beyond language and the human mind.

But there is one thing I will say for sure SS.

DMT whether naturally induced or chemically goes so much deeper than what you have described and experienced . Trust me on this one ;
If you dig deeper you will be shocked
As I was .

I was expecting nothing before doing dmt and blantantly did not believe in any sort of spirituality or higher being .

It kicked the shit of me !

Ultimately , this is all difficult to explain because we are just searching for Ourselves .

This true part of our "Self" has hidden itself so eloquently in all that exists

 

[Ninae]

It could also be summed up by saying "There is only one here".

As far as the substance is concerned, though, there is also the possibility it has the ability to take you into different levels of non-physical being. So some might experience hell, some might experience the higher dream-like astral planes, and some might experience pure Heaven, or the 5fth dimension or beyond.

Might have something to do with the personal condition of the user or the time or setting it's used in.

 

[mostly-human]

Ofcourse I cannot prove any of this. But quantum physics and string theory proves all this.

Fuck I hate it when hippies think Quantum Mechanics and / or string theory actually backs up their hippy bullshit.

Get a grip. And actually read some particle physics before pretending that it backs up your completely unsubstantiated bullshit.

 

[Ninae]

^

Seems like a close-minded bigot that makes Psyduck look like John Lennon - just avoid responding.

 

[cire113]

"I really want to hear back from you in like 3 months to see if you're still this enthusiastic"

Its been a few years and I just want to say I am even more into what I posted on this thread; but I have realized a WHOLE lot in the last few years since posting this and having an abrupt mystical spiritual awakening....

Basically What I am trying to describe is the indescribable, it cannot be quantified, it is BEYOND the human mind and the 5 senses.

Thats why now I don't even bother trying to explain this or try to convince anyone of anything.

Those who think they know don't know.....

Those who know... don't know...


So to some it all up..... All I know is "I am truly the living universe acting out a play as a human" and beyond that I truely know "nothing" in this normal state of human consciousness ....


So to sum everything up; In my normal state of human consciousness I truly know "NO-THING"

However, I have had glimpses of higher stats of consciousness where I have directly experienced TRUTH which can only be directly experience and try to quantify it in words is useless.


I am that, You are that, we are all THAT.

That=God=The Universe=The Tao=Oneness=

THAT really has no NAME;

most reading this will laugh and think I am crazy but that is why those who have had such mystical and experiences do not speak or even talk about them because they are truly unspeakable...

I love you all truly.


We are all One.

Peace & Love

 

[murphythecat]

yeah. I know what you talk about and there's no point trying to prove it. we know its true and those who have experienced it knows it. its not even describable.
we are indeed the universe. the entire cosmos is in us. know yourself and you will know the universe.

if you think we are all one, which is true materially and that you understand that you should treat every other being as your equal, even ants and bugs and any living organism, you are already on the most precious and divine track there is.

 

[Ninae]

So to some it all up..... All I know is "I am truly the living universe acting out a play as a human" and beyond that I truely know "nothing" in this normal state of human consciousness ....

Lately I can only think of human life like playing out a game. Like monopoly, only there are things like work and kids involved, and how tall you are, and the game plays out quite predictably based on that. But it's still unpredictable as there are so many variables and different ways of dealing with things.

Either way, when it's all over we all say "I got so caught up in that game, how silly". Children and old people seem to understand this the best. They just laugh...