What's going to happen to Amsterdam?

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You can Still Have Your Joint, but Only if it's Pure

By Frederik Hartig

http://www.spiegel.de/international/europe/0,1518,559030,00.html

In July, the Dutch government will introduce a nationwide smoking ban in bars, cafes and restaurants, aimed at protecting workers. But it will also make life a lot harder for the country's infamous coffee shops, where customers will only be allowed to smoke pure cannabis.

De Tweede Kamer is located on a small side street in Amsterdam, not far from the flower market. A painting of Queen Juliana and Prince Bernhard hangs on the wall, and next to it, a little bit higher, there's one of Queen Wilhelmina. White ornaments rise up the wall like smoke rings around the portraits. The coffee shop opened in 1985, and has since become an institution in the Dutch capital, a kind of art museum for the residents of Amsterdam, owner Paul Wilhelm proudly says.

But Wilhelm is worried about his company's future. On July 1, a smoking ban will come into force in Dutch restaurants, bars and cafes. The ban will also apply to the country's more than 700 coffee shops, which are infamous worldwide for selling soft drugs.

"Coffee shops will be treated in the same manner as other catering businesses," Dutch Prime Minister Jan Peter Balkenende told public broadcaster NOS after the government issued its decision on Friday. "It would have been wrong to move towards a smoke-free catering industry and then make an exception for coffee shops. People would not have understood that."

The chances of getting an exemption are limited, says Mark Jacobsen of BCD, a nationwide association of coffee shop owners that has been fighting to get special provisions for the cafes.

Jacobsen argues that it's absurd that the law is being applied to coffee shops. "In a cafe," he said, "you come to drink something. In a restaurant you come to eat. But when you come to a coffee shop, you come to smoke, so smoking has to be allowed in a coffee shop."
But Dutch Health Minister Ab Klink has no plans to make any exceptions. Coffee shop employees, he argues, also have the right to protection from tobacco smoke.

But Wilhelm claims it's a specious argument. After all, people who apply for jobs in a coffee shop know that smoking is the company's core business. "If the boys are old enough to be sent to Afghanistan, then you can't tell me that people want to protect them from smoke in the workplace. They're old enough to decide on their own. They can vote, they can go to war -- but now they won't even be allowed to make this decision?"

Perversely, the law, intended to protect workers from smoke, only applies to tobacco. In the Netherlands, that has resulted in a rather bizarre result: Smoking pot or hashish in coffee shops will remain legal; it just can't be mixed with tobacco. If someone wants to roll their joint with tobacco, then they have to smoke it outside. Wilhelm can only shake his head in disbelief. "That sounds a bit to me like going into a cafe and being able to buy a beer without being able to drink it there. But the cafe still lets you drink whiskey, rum and vodka."

Besides, it will be difficult to monitor whether someone has secretly rolled his joint with tobacco or not. Mark Jacobson doubts that Dutch officials will begin policing the ban immediately when it goes into effect in July. "We'll just have to see how strictly they enforce it," he says.

Under the new provision, he explains, "If an official comes into a coffee shop and sees someone smoking a joint, he must confiscate it and send it to a lab to test whether it contains tobacco. It's such an arduous procedure that it is going to create numerous problems. I don't think they will apply it very strictly during the first year."

Jacobsen feels the world has been turned on its head in Holland. "In every other country they do just the opposite -- there they check whether there is cannabis inside," he says with a laugh.

Part 2: 'An Absurd Decision'

There are exceptions to the ban. If an establishment can set up a separate room or add a glass partition to ensure that employees are not exposed to tobacco smoke, then smoking is permitted in those rooms as long as service is not provided.

That may be easy for larger coffee shops, but it will effectively downgrade smaller coffee shops into cannabis convenience stores where people drop in to buy pot but don't stick around. Jacobsen says he is planning to add a wall in his coffee shop, called The Rookies. The wall would separate the bar from the rest of the room, and he claims it will be the largest legal smoking space in Amsterdam.

In the smaller Tweede Kamer, though, it will be almost impossible to sufficiently protect workers from guests' tobacco smoke. Still, Wilhelm says he doesn't want to operate his coffee shop like a takeaway restaurant. "The soul of the Tweede Kamer has always been the social contact, the discussions, the chat, reading the newspaper or talking about politics. Now that's all being destroyed by what I think is an absurd decision."

Wilhelm may be fighting to preserve his coffee shop's convivial atmosphere, but Health Minister Klink has an altogether different view of coffee shop customers. In a letter to coffee shop association LOC in which he defended his smoking ban, he wrote: "A positive side effect of the smoking ban may be that consumers who spend the whole day hanging out in coffee shops will find other things to do with their time."

More than a million tourists visit Amsterdam's coffee shops each year, and Jacobsen believes more of them will now smoke pot on the city's streets. "People are going to be smoking in a lot of other places -- on the streets, in the parks, at home." With the coffee shops, he argues, you at least had a place where you could confine much of the city's pot-smoking activities.

The ban will also place additional burdens on coffee shop owners. If, for example, a crowd gathers in front of a coffee shop, it is the owners' responsibility to make sure they go away. If the shop owners aren't able to do so, despite making a visible effort, Klink has proposed banning all forms of smoking around the coffee shop.

It's a practice that's already been tested. In February 2006, the Amsterdam district De Baarsjes banned cannabis consumption on the local Mercatorplein square. Youth from other parts of the city where there were fewer coffee shops used to swarm to the 15 located in De Baarsjes. The city's statistical office confirmed that the ban had successfully reduced the number of disturbances caused by young pot smokers and that a feeling of safety had returned to the area around the square.

But both the GroenLinks and Demokratie 66 parties question the scope of the study in a report at the end of January in the Amsterdam newspaper Het Parool. They argued that residents of nearby Columbusplein square also should have been asked. Since the ban was put in place on Mercatorplein, there have been more pot-related disturbances at Columbusplein, they claim.

For his part, Wilhelm is still hoping to secure an exemption from the smoking ban. In July, Tweede Kamer will prohibit its guests from smoking cigarettes. He will also inform his customers that they are not permitted to roll tobacco into their joints. But he said he has no intention of monitoring every joint rolled in his shop.

It's also possible that officials will place a low priority on policing the smoking ban in coffee shops and, in a typically Dutch fashion, a situation would be created in which smoking would be officially banned but still tolerated.

"But that may also be wishful thinking," says Wilhelm.
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I've always heard rumors of a red light district/coffee shop phase out since the Dutch government became more conservative, and even though this new law only applies to tobacco who knows what it could lead to.

Over the past few years, police have been finding every reason in the book to close coffee shops, and (correct me if I'm wrong) I'm pretty sure new ones haven't been opening.

I'm interested to hear some of your predictions about the fate Amsterdam's drug tourism in the next few years.
 
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I think it brings in far too much money to ever shut it down completely. It seems that they just want to get rid of the seediness that surrounds some parts of "touristy" Amsterdam.
 
memachineme for mod status! post the whole article man

its a good article though i think, one step forward one step back...
 
Well for starters mushies are no longer legal.

I'm not to sure about the actual 'smoking inside' policy is going, but it does not look good.

Its sort of ironic. i think its the tourists that have fucked over Amsterdam
 
Ok I just posted the whole thing, sorry I'm still kinda new haha
and en warp to be fair, is tourism not what the whole coffee shop industry is based on? Unfortunately I have not been to this awesome city yet but from what I've heard the locals generally don't take part in the whole drug scene... the industry is purely based on pot loving tourists.
Nonetheless, I just hope the coffee shops don't eventually close, the Dutch politicians should realize that this industry brings so much money.
 
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I don't understand why Europeans love to ruin good herb by rolling one up with tobacco anyway.
 
Finder said:
I don't understand why Europeans love to ruin good herb by rolling one up with tobacco anyway.

Because it's often too strong to smoke pure. Also we smoke more hash which you need to roll with tobacco.
 
En_warp said:
Its sort of ironic. i think its the tourists that have fucked over Amsterdam
So true, so true. It was the tourists who got mushrooms banned. Btw, there are not completely banned yet. The law still has to pass the house of commons and the house of lords. And the D66 party has send a list of 104 quenstions about the ban to the Dutch minister of Health, which he will need to answer before the law can be passed.

Although, our current minister seems to cross the line quite often, so maybe he will just ignore the questions. Just like he ignored the advice of his own advice team on drugs-issues.
 
Spec87 said:
So true, so true. It was the tourists who got mushrooms banned. Btw, there are not completely banned yet. The law still has to pass the house of commons and the house of lords. And the D66 party has send a list of 104 quenstions about the ban to the Dutch minister of Health, which he will need to answer before the law can be passed.

Although, our current minister seems to cross the line quite often, so maybe he will just ignore the questions. Just like he ignored the advice of his own advice team on drugs-issues.


The're not banned yet! How long do you think I have to cross the pond? You only have to be 18 to use mushrooms right?


(I am not going to the Netherlands just to use mushies, I already had a Europe trip planned later this year.)
 
Why not mix it with herbal tobbacco substitute - thats what I do. I have never smoked tobbaco but that wasn't stopped me smoking my share of hash.
 
Oh darn, I can only smoke my weed straight up? hahaha wtf. it's a good thing. it's a step for everyone to learn that cannabis is meant to smoked by itself. buy a grinder or learn how to break up you bud better if its that big of a problem.

trust me. seriously, you can't wait until the session is over to spark a cig? I promise it's better to wait for your tobacco until after your green has been smoked. just wait for it.

they made similar laws all across the US (banning smoking in pretty much any business). everyone made a HUGE fuss about it, a few bar protested it but within a few months there were crowds of people standing outside smoking their cigarettes having a great time. it almost created a scene within a scene...basically all the cool people would be outside at one time or another.

it's not that big of a deal. if it really offends you and you can't live without your spliffs, maybe just use a tiny bit less tobacco??? who is really going to complain?

when i was in london spliffs were prevalent. My guess would be that odds are the people working at the coffee shop also smoke their weed with tobacco and obviously aren't going to complain.
 
Kaneh Bosm said:
The're not banned yet! How long do you think I have to cross the pond? You only have to be 18 to use mushrooms right?


(I am not going to the Netherlands just to use mushies, I already had a Europe trip planned later this year.)

A month for sure, but it's hard to guess. And yes, you have to be 18. And ask for advice on which kind of mushies and how much to use.
 
the nes cafe

i just got back from amsterdam.

the coffee shop i was hanging out in was almost all locals and every single one of them rolled their joints with tobacco.

they were all tripping out on me because i rolled mine with no tobacco.

weird-o's.....
 
mik82 said:
Because it's often too strong to smoke pure. Also we smoke more hash which you need to roll with tobacco.

Then use less. The sweet taste of herbs should not be ruined with the acrid taste of tobacco. Hash...well...I can see the need for that in a pinch, but it smokes fine in a pipe on its own. I'm not opposed to hitting a jay rolled with some tobacco, but it sure as hell isn't my preference.

callupjah said:
Yes, it is. In Europe and in the UK we smoke all our joints with tobbacco in, it helps it bun and doesn't waste precious skunk. Also in Holland a pure joint, or a blunt, is gonna get you really fucked, due to the potency of their cannabis.

It's not like Holland has the market cornered on potent herb. Joints waste smoke by nature, if you are worried about wasting it, use a pipe (though I'm willing to bet you'd load that with a mix of herb/tobacco as well). Blech.

I don't understand why most american's use little rizlas instead of king size, and call cigarettes 'stogies'...

I have never heard of a cigarette referred to as a "stogie". Stogie is slang for cigar. As far as the size of papers...well, perhaps that's why you Europeans need add tobacco to your joints. Use a smaller paper and leave out the tobacco.
 
That sucks, I live in the Maritimes in Canada and we always mix our tabaccoo with weed, its just the way we've always done it shit is natural to me. We have sticky dro all the time, its not like you dump a full fucking smoke in, just a pinch, helps it burn easier, roll better, smoke smother, no runs or canoing and smokes better when its shitty out (Snowing/raining)

Really, fuck wasting good dro in a weed only joint.
 
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