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What will the radical left do after the Trump win

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Despite the fury of media nonsense I think the overwhelming majority of people do not have a problem with what an adult individual chooses to do with their own body. They may not like or agree with it, in the same way some people do not like tattoos or piercings, they may even find it revolting, but again they would not say adults don't have the right to do with their own body as they decide.

The real point of contention though is the children, as it always was - I do not think the ardent trans people and supporters do themselves any favours by trying to then make it about themselves as a deflection from this point. Children are not in a position to make such choices, they barely know their arsehole from their elbow, and deliberately introducing confusion to them at the cultural level about sexual matters is offensive and should be rejected. I would go one step further than that but that would be seen as incitement to violence - not Christian, but the Bible states the measures I believe should be taken for those who bother and confuse children.
If you're talking about children becoming transexuals, that one's complicated. If you're talking about children seeing transexuals, that's just part of life.
They say the drug laws are to protect the children as well.
 
If you're talking about children becoming transexuals, that one's complicated. If you're talking about children seeing transexuals, that's just part of life.
No it's not just a part of life. Aside from the fact that they make up less than 0.5% of the population - which is only a fraction higher than the percentage of schizophrenics in a population - children do not benefit from being exposed to these people who do nothing but plants seeds of confusion in their minds. We don't expose children to schizophrenics for the same reason; there is absolutely no benefit to the child by introducing them to people are who are confused or disturbed mentally.

This is why people get so angry with the pro-trans ideology. They place the their ideology above the common sense welfare of children when it should be the other way around.
They say the drug laws are to protect the children as well.
Not sure what your point is here. But again, we keep children away from psychoactive substances for the exact same reason I listed above. It's not primarily about them potentially getting addicted or physically harmed, it's about protecting them from the mental confusion by being exposed to psychoactive substances that perturb mental activity. They do not have the mental maturity: ego strength, intellectual reasoning, intuitive reasoning, and many other attributes that adults have that protect them from the onslaught of a mentally perturbing experience.

And, again, for the exact same reason that we rightly oppose the premature sexual activity/abuse of children.. because it perturbs their mental activity when they are not mature enough to handle it, and consequently it prematurely disrupts their healthy growth and growing to maturity (it damages them and can prevent them from ever fully maturing).
 
No it's not just a part of life. Aside from the fact that they make up less than 0.5% of the population - which is only a fraction higher than the percentage of schizophrenics in a population - children do not benefit from being exposed to these people who do nothing but plants seeds of confusion in their minds. We don't expose children to schizophrenics for the same reason; there is absolutely no benefit to the child by introducing them to people are who are confused or disturbed mentally.
Let's go with the assumption that trans people are "disturbed". Let's imagine a scenario; you have a kid and you have a brother who is trans or schizophrenic or something. Do you just rule the kid or the trans/schizophrenic out of family meetings or how does this work?

It is difficult to get any trustworthy count, but according to some sophisticated estimations, one of eight people have personality disorder. Are they "should not be seen"-people also? How do you prevent your kid of seeing personality disordered people out there in the wild?
 
Let's go with the assumption that trans people are "disturbed". Let's imagine a scenario; you have a kid and you have a brother who is trans or schizophrenic or something. Do you just rule the kid or the trans/schizophrenic out of family meetings or how does this work?
Completely different context. The jurisdiction of the family is not the same as children at school (or wider culture) where there is no choice to not have such things put before the mind of the child.
It is difficult to get any trustworthy count, but according to some sophisticated estimations, one of eight people have personality disorder. Are they "should not be seen"-people also? How do you prevent your kid of seeing personality disordered people out there in the wild?
This is vague, and in my estimation it's more like 8 out of 8 adults have a personality disorder but that's a separate discussion. But the underlying principle is the same, you do what you can to not expose children to things that are going to confuse them and interfere with their development.
 
. We don't expose children to schizophrenics for the same reason; there is absolutely no benefit to the child by introducing them to people are who are confused or disturbed mentally.
We hide schizophrenic people?
I'm not sure where your from, but I live near a small midwestern city and if I go downtown with kids they will see plenty of panhandlers and homeless folks and I'm pretty sure some are schizophrenic or have other disorders. They sure often act confused and disturbed. I'm more worried about kids seeing how society has abandoned them than anything else.
And, identifying as the other sex has gotten trendy now. I'm thinking you see more than .5% of the population at least partially crossdressing anymore. What's the difference? Should that be illegal as well? Hiding the fact that there are many different ways of expressing yourself sexually until a person is an adult seems counterproductive when your teenage years are when many kids are confused about their sexuality. I'm glad my kid felt that whatever she wanted to do and feel was OK.
Not sure what your point is here.
That whenever the powers that be want to ban something it's always, "Oh, but think of the children!".
 
And, identifying as the other sex has gotten trendy now. I'm thinking you see more than .5% of the population at least partially crossdressing anymore. What's the difference? Should that be illegal as well? Hiding the fact that there are many different ways of expressing yourself sexually until a person is an adult seems counterproductive when your teenage years are when many kids are confused about their sexuality. I'm glad my kid felt that whatever she wanted to do and feel was OK.
But we're not talking about adolescents primarily, proto-adults who are now sexually active. We're talking about pre-pubescent children who are not sexually active, and who should not be exposed to sexual stuff before they are actually ready (physically and mentally) for it.

And on the broader subject, why are we putting the idea of forcibly changing physical sexual gender, even though it is still ultimately purely cosmetic, into children (or adolescents) minds at all.. when we do not even allow the full expression of masculinity or femininity to begin with (and especially masculinity)? It is madness to me to jump all the way to physically mutilating the body when we don't even allow now sexually active teenagers to really experiment and find their full expression through play you might say.

There are other 'primitive' cultures around the world, though many now purged and degraded thanks to Christianity, where sexual expression was encouraged during the teenage years without judgement or restraint, so that the boys and girls might find resonance with themselves and a resonant partner. The way we treat sexuality in the West is an embarrassed afterthought that would be made illegal if it could be done so, but unfortunately culture requires new tax units and so it just sort of reluctantly accepts the necessity of it (but not the full expression of it).
That whenever the powers that be want to ban something it's always, "Oh, but think of the children!".
Yes this is true - they are currently using this argument in the UK for trying to enforce various digital controls, removal of online anonymity, etc. But when we're talking about trans stuff, or anything of a sexual nature really, in relation to children, it's not the politicians who are the primary driving force behind that.. it's the public itself. The overwhelming majority of people do not want their children exposed and confused about this stuff at a time in their lives when sexuality is not even on their mind to begin with - let the children just be children, is what it boils down to; sex is enough trouble as it is when that eventually happens in the teenage years, there is absolutely no need to prematurely force it upon them.
 
But we're not talking about adolescents primarily, proto-adults who are now sexually active. We're talking about pre-pubescent children who are not sexually active, and who should not be exposed to sexual stuff before they are actually ready (physically and mentally) for it.
being trans is not inherently sexual same way as being cis ain't inherently sexual.
 
let the children just be children, is what it boils down to; sex is enough trouble as it is when that eventually happens in the teenage years, there is absolutely no need to prematurely force it upon them.
culture related to sexuality and gender exists already and is available and enforced/offered to kids already, even if all LQTBG+ culture was removed. Even though you think you are talking against manipulation of children, you are suggesting to do it by manipulation. By restricting fair and even perspective to reality.

Without countercultures, there would be only degeneration.
 
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Despite the fury of media nonsense I think the overwhelming majority of people do not have a problem with what an adult individual chooses to do with their own body. They may not like or agree with it, in the same way some people do not like tattoos or piercings, they may even find it revolting, but again they would not say adults don't have the right to do with their own body as they decide.

The real point of contention though is the children, as it always was - I do not think the ardent trans people and supporters do themselves any favours by trying to then make it about themselves as a deflection from this point. Children are not in a position to make such choices, they barely know their arsehole from their elbow, and deliberately introducing confusion to them at the cultural level about sexual matters is offensive and should be rejected. I would go one step further than that but that would be seen as incitement to violence - not Christian, but the Bible states the measures I believe should be taken for those who bother and confuse children.

Ah yes, the "groomer" narrative again. You know you've not come up with anything new, right? I was hearing all of those same arguements when I was a kid. "Look out for the homos!" you people would tell us. "They're unnatural freaks who can't reproduce on their own, so they send out recruiters to turn boys gay." In addition to "recruiters" and now "groomers," I've also seen "spotters," "hawks," and "scouts" used as the euphemism in the same context over the years. All you people have ever done is mad-lib in some different words into the same hateful bullshit.

Because it IS bullshit. "Groomers" don't exist, unless you're talking about the ladies who cut my dog's hair and trim her nails. They can't exist. It is not possible. You can't "groom" a hetro person into becoming gay or a cis person into becoming trans. If you could do such a thing, it would logically follow that you could also "groom" a gay person into becoming straight and a trans person into becoming cis. And if that were possible, there would be no gay or trans or any other sort of LGBT people. The overwhelming pressure growing up... even in the supposedly woker-than-woke public schools (Which I attended, so I know it's bullshit from personal experience.) public schools that Ron DeSantis has made himself notorious for his efforts to purge... at all levels in this country would "groom" the gay or trans or bi or poly or whatever out of everyone and the only relationships anyone would have in this country would be Ward Cleaver clones, their trad wives, and the now mandatory 2.5 children.

Hell, most LGBT people I know are fairly indifferent towards kids. I certainly have no particular interest in them. I don't active like dislike them, per se, but they are not part of my life, lifestyle, or decisions. About they only time they factor into my calculations is in being nice to the kids of my friends and family who've chosen to have them; a general belief that it it the responsibility of each generation to leave the world in a better state for the next generation; and the fact that I'm opposed to all hate and discrimination against LGBT people, children are people, some of them are LGBT, therefore I am also against all hate and discrimination against those LGBT kids. Most of my friends are of fairly similar takes.

All you're doing is the same typical "Won't somebody please think of the children?" bullshit that self-righteous moralizing scolds have been using to attack people and groups you've already decided to hate on for as long as I can remember. I have been watching you people use that sad, intellectually dishonest, and vile tactic since I was a little kid myself; and it was still a Democratic thing at the time, with Tipper Gore's campaign to have Heavy Metal, Rap, and Prince's music pulled from stores and banned. Children aren't people to be nurtured and supported and encouraged to grow into independent adults to you people. They're just tools and weapons, to be used against people you've already arbitrarily decided are your enemies, to you and the rest of the Helen Lovejoy crowd. THAT is the truly contemptible position here.
 
Hell, most LGBT people I know are fairly indifferent towards kids.
You should have stopped at this point in your post, for it encapsulates the problem in a nutshell. That indifference is what sets you apart the heterosexual parents and those who have a vested interest in seeing children become even greater than the previous generation, because your ideological worldview is coming before children.. which is inherently contradictory to the natural order and the inherent directive of mammalian life.

This mentality spills over into many of the ruling class types and politicians too, many of whom are also childless and in many cases homosexual or even paedophiles. They have no love for children except for what children can do for them, a complete inversion of the natural order. You're the second poster now who has conflated the 'Won't somebody please think of the children' trope espoused by the ruling class types, who hide behind it for political purposes, with the very real natural order and derived from that one of the most important moral positions any sane human being holds, which is the well-being of children. Just because the ruling class have besmirched it does not mean the underlying moral premise is without merit.

And this dovetails into a wider point, about politics and psychology. You can not vote social edicts and mandate healthy psychology based on ideology, that is putting the cart before the horse. It's one of the prime reasons why so many people are mentally troubled, generally, and the rates continue to increase. It's because through the 20th century people have divorced themselves from real psychology, real human nature, believing they can simply vote things to be the way they feel, not what is actually the natural order of things. And, naturally, more and more people are running into a brick wall and hurting themselves as a result.

One the reasons why this even happened in the first place was because, as you alluded to with the 'Helen Lovejoy' quip, people (rightly) tried to move away from prudish and overbearing Christian value systems. The mistake that was made was assuming that all the positions of the Christian (and other faiths) regarding sexuality and moral points were erroneous, when in fact on proper examination it will be found that actually many of the points raised in those texts have demonstrable psychological roots based upon generations of observation of human behaviours - however faulty the translation or preaching of it thousands of years down the line. And I say that as someone with no affinity or love for Christianity (or any religion).
 
actually many of the points raised in those texts have demonstrable psychological roots based upon generations of observation of human behaviours - however faulty the translation or preaching of it thousands of years down the line. And I say that as someone with no affinity or love for Christianity (or any religion).
Do you have any documentation or other sources that backs up this point?
 
lol Remember when everybody was saying that the left would burn down the country and go on a killing spree if trump won? so far all I've seen are some peaceful anti-ICE protests in support of hard-working families being ripped out of their homes.
 
lol Remember when everybody was saying that the left would burn down the country and go on a killing spree if trump won? so far all I've seen are some peaceful anti-ICE protests in support of hard-working families being ripped out of their homes.
Yeah, and I also noticed that Harris/Walz supporters did not storm the capital, assault cops, smear shit on walls, or chant about hanging somebody. Turns out those crazy radical Leftists are civilized grown-ups who respect the law.
 
Yeah, and I also noticed that Harris/Walz supporters did not storm the capital, assault cops, smear shit on walls, or chant about hanging somebody. Turns out those crazy radical Leftists are civilized grown-ups who respect the law.

Liberals arent exactly known for revolutionary violence so its so surprise
 
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