Heroin What to expect when you're expecting :) - a few questions from a Veteran novice - lol

[JuniorNotAvail]

hey all, Long time reader, but finally signed up and wanted to ask some questions that specifically apply to me. I know everyone's experience is different but I hope the responses and advice I get from members can be applied to my current situation and results.

Anyway...I've been a long time Roxy IV user, and yes I know the pill binders and other junk can cause lots of problems in the body.
What originally started off as some fun about 5 years ago, turned into a very bad and miserable addiction. I got my tolerance up to shooting anywhere from 20-30 blues a day, which is about 600 to 900 mg a day. Suboxone and some mental strength helped me kick that shit off, well that and finding out my sperm count was less than 0 (exaggeration, but the results were very bad) gave me some motivation since my wife would have probably left me if I didn't stop.

Anyway, I kicked the blues (roxy) and even was able to taper off the sub and finally be clean for about 6 months...regardless of the pathetic excuse, I started to take blues again and I found my tolerance was still high even after being good for 6 months. The first shot was a little heavy since it was a while since i did anything, but then the next day my tolerance was back up there and I was slamming 10 blues at a time... Then i decided to stop again because i was moving to fast and took the sub again. I don't want to do the back and forth too much because eventually the sub is going to be rendered useless to my body and then i'm really screwed, and i'll have to kick it with no additional help, besides some zanny to stop the restless legs. Again, thats all besides the point.

So since today is day after X-Mas, my guy did not have the usual blues, but said he did have some H bombs for me. I'm in North NJ by the way...so since I've tried H before (Insufflation only) , i figured what the hell...I was bored as shit, and I had the day off of work, so I wanted to just chill and play call of duty.

So after searching and reading tons of topics and posts here...I did taste the bitterness, and I did notice the smell. I got 2 bundles - 20 bags and the last time I tried to IV , i still had sub in me so I really couldn't tell if it was shit or not. I know that personally, i have to take double the amount of blues to even feel close to what I would feel after the sub was out of my system.

So without anyone truly knowing the comparison of H to blues (which is obvious since no one knows what's exactly in the bag)...i took out 3 bags and dissolved in water, put 10 seconds of heat to it, and used 100% cotton and sucked it up in the rig. When i shot, I immediately had a strong itchy feeling from my hand all the way up my arm and into my body for about 2 minutes...then it subsided. So then i started to get the flashes of warmth of relaxation through my body (same as blues). and then I noticed some redness and raised skin around the area of injection, which I have never seen except for when I do H. which was weird, but I expected it due to my experience last time.

I must say though, and this could be due to my tolerance being back up high ...I didn't feel the "TV show and Movie" feeling that requires the user to fall back on the couch and rest their head, lol. I didn't feel that at all. I felt the rush of relaxation, i felt the warmth come over me, and I felt the itchiness, and then after 2 minutes, i felt extremely relaxed...but nothing like you see in movies.

The first time i did this i felt nothing, about 2 months ago, but I attribute that to the suboxone in my system. Now there is nothing in my system to block my receptors and I guess I expected more. but with someone that has a 20-30 Roxy habit (600mg to 900mg) of oxy is a lot, therefore i'm not a beginner or novice user when it comes to tolerance.

So I did 2 more bags, and i certainly feel good 5 bags in...but I honestly must say i like the blues better.. (so far)...maybe I didnt do enough, I literally did it not even 10 minutes ago...but I don't think it will get any better than at the time of injection or maybe a minute after that. I think that is the peak - and every second that passes is a steep decline.

I guess what i'm asking is, for someone with such a high tolerance for opiates, and this is considered an opiate, means my tolerance would be just as high for this as well right ? I don't want to over do it and then fuck myself up and OD. the good thing about having such a high tolerance is the change of OD is much much less, but it still can happen and I always have appropriate measures should something like that happen. I also know when i'm on the edge of something bad, but then again...everyone says that don't they 8(

Also, the itchy feeling from head to toe for a good 2 minutes, is that normal also ? does that mean it's good dope ? I understand the histamines part which is a safety mechanism for your body, but does the itchiness have a direct connection to the quality of the dope ? And what about the rash/raised skin? normal ?

I must say i feel pretty good, not as good as I would with 10 Roxy in me...but again, that can just mean i didn't take enough, or it could mean that it's a very different high/euphoric feeling than the blues. I've been so used to that feeling for years, that maybe this feeling (which i know isn't the same) is just different and I feel like it's not enough.

I've read a lot of threads saying how much of a disappointment it was and how it's not the same as the movies make it out to be, but I guess it's all about the quality and administration technique. I kind of assumed that too, with what the movies show you, you think you're going to have an amazing feeling of euphoric bliss and your eyes will roll to the back of your head as if god himself were massaging you....but I didn't feel that, i felt good, but not amazing.
I'll wait another hour or 2 and try another 3 bags to see how i feel.

Sorry for the long post, and this was more of a long story than it is a question, but if anyone can share their experience, and my tolerance question, plus the questions i had with how i felt, I would be very appreciative.

Thanks and happy holidays.

"Not Avail"

 

[Oxide]

As far as your tolerance question, opiates do indeed share a cross tolerance. In short: yep, your tolerance is going to be pretty high to heroin as well if you were IVing high-dose oxycodone.

 

[Tommyboy]

Welcome to BL. I think that a lot of people prefer oxycodone to heroin, and only switch to and stick with heroin due to price. I would say that most people that really like the nod, prefer heroin, and people that like the more energetic high prefer oxycodone.

You high tolerance may make this somewhat safer in the beginning adjustment phase, but I would argue that having a high tolerance can actually be more dangerous if you are using heroin regularly. Let me give you an explanation.

One person has a low tolerance, IVing 2 bags of heroin, and another has a high tolerance, IVing 6 bags of heroin. Now let's say that they get a stronger batch that has 20mgs more of actual heroin than usual. Well, the person doing the 2 bags will only be doing 40mgs more than usual, whereas the person doing the 6 bags will be doing 120mg more than usual. This is why it is always important to do test shots.

Having said that, you have a pretty ridiculously high tolerance. If I had to say what I think is the equivalent dose of oxy to a bag of dope, I would say it's about 60mgs of oxy (oral) to equal 1 bag of heroin (nasal). Since the oral and IV ROA of oxy is very close, and the nasal BA is lower than IV for heroin, most people that IV it seem to say 1 bag is like 80mgs of oxy or more. Take that with a grain of salt though, and I was only mentioning that to give you a ballpark idea of what to expect when you're expecting.

 

[JuniorNotAvail]

Thanks for the responses and help guys...Yeah my tolerance is really ridiculous and I don't like to bring that up when I discuss it amongst friends. I really wish I found another DOC during my "testing" years. Some people had fun with it for a year or 2, and then moved on...and I went through every drug in the book until they found a functioning drug, that doesn't smell or create red eyes like weed, and a drug that makes the user "THINK" they perform better at work, or whatever it is they like to do. I was one of those people that thought I couldn't function without using (justification for the addicted)...so i went from chewing to snorting to IV'ing. and the saying is true, once you go to the needle, you never go back.

So naturally my tolerance just grew and grew and grew, and it's too expensive now... even with going to doctors for medication..i can finish a month's worth in 2 days. Suboxone did save me, and it gave me the mental strength to control it and trick my mind in saying "just don't do it today, do it tomorrow"...but this is not an AA forum, so i digress (sigh)

Here is what i did today, in a 6 hour period.

First 3 bags, felt OK...felt like 2 30mg Roxy.
Did another 2 bags about 2 min later...felt ok (still comfortable and warm)
Waited about an hour, did 4 bags...felt great, warm and relaxed.

I can't compare it to roxy though, its a very very different euphoric feeling, even though they both same from the same sub-type. I guess i'm so used to Oxy that any euphoric feeling outside of the normal realm would be different to me due to my exposure level to roxy. So i can't say it's the same, or even comparable. It's a different high all together.

I just don't want to get too caught up in it, or enjoy it too much because then i'll start my entire addiction all over again, this time I might not come out of it alive.

 

[THC2LSD]

Yeah, I like oxy better than h too. A lot of people end up liking h better when they switch, but I like the clean, stimulating high of oxy better.

One thing I like is mixing oxy and h, then you get some of the oxy high with the power of h.