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what sort of hallucinagen do you recommend?

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ive had one trip before, except i had little to no visual activity from it, and im told this is most likely due to dosage level and body weight.
for a while now ive had a very strong urge to hallucinate properly (i get mild visuals of some pills, and dreams from nitrous - and love them) and im still unsure whether i should go with lsd again, or venture off with substances like DXM and ketamine. ive read a lot about all three on erowid and other bluelight threads, but i cant decide.
i am quite sure i can handle myself at low doses of all three substances, and i would definately be starting with a low dose. so, what would you recommend for the most visually stimulated experience?
 
If you want to totally lose yourself look into Salvia but make sure you read up on it first. It is the most intense 'trip' of any substance I have sampled before.
 
This may sound a bit odd to you, but a solid dose of MDXX has provided me with the best visuals of any drug yet. Now I'm only talking 2 pills here and yes it was questionable whether there may have been some 2-cb in them (I hear the crowd roar 'red HQ' from November 2000). The visuals off that were amasing and so clear.
Sleep deprivation is another good source of hallucination and its FREE! (Note: The author of this reply does not suggest driving while under the effects of sleep deprivation... bats and furry animals coming at your car is NOT funny.)
The visuals I receive from LSD are usually rather subtle and can actually go unnoticed unless you focus on them. But acid gives you the best opportunity to play with those visuals.
Still yet to try 2-cb, 2-ct-7, 5-Meo-Dipt and all the rest of those fun psychoactives (ah what a malleable word), but if I did get my hands on them I would be more than willing to test them for their hallucinogenic powers ;) .
 
I agree with Munch... a good solid dose of MDxx can have me seeing some pretty crazy things, although it seems to happen a lot less frequently now. I think its because I dont smoke pot on or after pills now.
Best visuals have been from 2-ct-7 and MDA. My view had that "negative" look (like with a photo when you turn the colours negative) and things were swirling and twisting and doing all sorts of crazy things :)
A good STRONG dose of acid will be you good hallucinations as well, but do be careful because with hallucinations, come a whole different mind set that can intimidate a lot (most?) of people.
take care, and good luck :)
horse
 
My strongest (and only really vivid) hallucinations have come from a strong mdma/mda combo pill (pink omegas).
It was intense and very fun, as this painting of a robot on a wall lept of and started dancing to tthe music in the background.
Another hallucination that i hae had is off a clean but weak mdma pill, where the entire main arena at utopia 13 stretched and danced up at the ceiling.
Pretty fun stuff :D
 
Ill agree with most people here,
If you want to trip out and really see funky shite - go for a strong MDMA/MDA pill.
I have tried Acid heaps of times but never got any hallucinations - does heaps of other stuff to you but u need heaps to really trip out.
2 007's at Kryal last year and I was Imagining Fences that only dissapeared when I tried to climb over them, the floor was made of glass and had digital green glowy writing on it!! and the Toilet was pulsating with multi coulours etc.
One of my mates had the same bikkie at Earthcore and thought the clouds moved to form a giant lions head and started eating the other clouds and came at him and stuff - pretty spooky
 
Strongets visuals Ive ever had are from magic mushrooms..
Which brings me to remember my fav quote (translated directly from german)
Mushrooms are the revenge of nature at all believe that mountain meadows, sunsets & migrations somewhat colorless and boring
 
If you want semi or true hallucinations then don't expect anything off less than 2 hits. That said the best trip (visual-wise) of my life was only one hit (Mad Hatter).
Basically what you want is a high dose of strong acid, then you'll hallucinate. I also recommend pre-dosing with piracetam. That amplifies the trip very nicely and really gives it a kick along in the visuals department. Oh, and you'll need the weed. Nitrous too if you want.
Sure MDMA will give you visuals, but what you really want (or rather what I want ;) ) is the mind fuck that comes with a decent acid trip. God I love acid.
But then if its pure visuals you're after then Salvia will give them to you like you've never had them before. But be warned, it is a messy substance, unpredictable and, well, just plain weird.
You can also try staring at one object without moving your eyes for as long as possible. The best way to do this is to have your eyes partly closed, like squinting but not quite that closed. Concentrate on letting your eyes glaze over and do not think about blinking (or your eyes drying up). Within a minute or so your mind should start messing with things. Try and use your will power to distort objects.
Another cool thing to do on acid: close your eyes and try and imagine all the energy in the room around you, try and use yourself as a magnet to draw the energy, hold your hands out in front of you and feel the energy been drawn to your hands, feel it move past your skin. Try and visualise (with your eyes closed) your hand and the energy as it is drawn towards your hands, create a ball of energy in your hand and then start to try and direct the energy around the room.
 
I'd say that the strongest hallucinations that I've had would've been from mushrooms but I'd say that was just because as an unregulated dosage, it was probably just a very high dosage.
Mushrooms feel more natural than LSD but acid is still my favourite because I get in such a cynical mindset that just seems to pick out and change society and the people around me.
Will be trying peyote within the next week or so and I'll be reporting about that when it happens so I'll tell you about it then.
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"...I think australias new flag should be something good.. like a bum with a fist coming out of it..."
 
my strongest trip was with mushrooms, it was fantastic. a mushroom experience is more rounded and natural, whereas acid can be somewhat sharp and jagged.
im with plague bearer, if youre having trouble hallucinating, just relax and try staring at an interesting object without moving your eyes. once you start, and are interrupted, its quite easy to maintain and modify the hallucinations.
 
plague: i tried salvia for the first time the other day, but didnt really see much potential for visuals?!? It was pretty fucken mad tho, my limbs kept sticking to everything like they were magnetised
 
Gotta admit, best visual's i've had were from Salvia 5x Extract.
Although, i'm not a big tripper my self, i've had acid a few times, didn't get all that much off it, only when the weed factor came into it ;)
But yeah, as all others have said, Salvia is a VERY strange/weird/awsome drug. It will give you the visuals you need, but plz be careful.
dingleberries : did you smoke the dried leaf or the Extract? I know with the dried leaf, i had to smoke 7 cones, straight after one another to get mild visuals.
With the extract, smoked 2 cones, and was very toasted indeed. Only lasting about 5 min of strong visuals.
hope it helps, and play safe :)
aNt
 
Try this...Put some of the Salvia leaf in a cone and then sprinkle some of the Salvia 5x (looks like poppy seeds) over it. Pull those bongs deep and fast and then three or four 'o deez later (depends what you can handle...there are many stages or states in a Salvia 'experience') and warp time... Visual warp. Body numbing... Mind fark. Errr...trippy. Oh....and be seated and have a pal help you by passing you the pre-packed cones so you az 'em almost straight after each other. ;-) Fark me.
he he he
But my fave is acid though. Definitely not everyone's cup of t. With weed being smoked with it...cos it goes so well with cid.
Haven't had the shrooms as yet. I'll get to 'em...
[ 11 January 2002: Message edited by: GreenAlien ]
 
Heaps of things will make you hallucinate, but for visuals that you truly believe exist and can interract with I think you should go the mushrooms.
Mushrooms are definitely not to be eaten with any sort of regularity. You are going to need a fair few to get intense and convincing visuals. be carefull.
 
for visuals i would go for acid or mushrooms:
I prefer shrooms more intense visuals, less body load - more natural feeling - 3-4 dry grams of shrooms will give intense visuals. The only drawback is high dosage shroom trips are more difficult to control if your mind wanders onto bad thoughts - therefore set and setting are important. Shrooms are also free.
acid you will need two tabs for decent visual effects.
cant comment on dxm or K, no experience with them. Salvia will give an intense experience..perhaps too intense...i would become comfortable with high level dosages of other substances before taking this one on.
If you want real hallucinations (where you dont realise that you are seeing things) eg talking to frends that arent there...u can enter datura land..unfortunately u also need a deathwish...so pls dont try datura
 
ta for replies :)
a lot of you have said that mda and strong mdma have given you the best visuals...... hmm... while i dont actually know how many of the pills ive eaten were mda or just very strong mdma.. i do know that the visual effects ive had from time to time were such that it felt like i fell asleep for the few seconds that i saw them. resembling a short dream far more than a hallucination... and this is not what i want because it goes away when i seem to 'wake up'. not to mention that they were never very strong. the best visuals ive ever had were from a white butterfly. but then again they were mild, at one point the wall was bending, and i was of course getting the dreamlike visuals.
and also, i think id rather not roll to see visuals... i roll enough already :) thats why i like the idea of acid.
i read a DXM trip report by supaspeed in the trip reports forum, and it really intrigued me. that is what i want to happen!
im not sure that i want to venture into something as intense as salvia yet, i do know about it, but i left it out of my first post cos i think itll have to come second. and shrooms, well i wouldnt have a clue where to find them, and i havent actually read much about them yet.
and as for focusing on something and using your mind to change and morph it etc, i havent learnt to do that yet :( i cant make my eyes believe something that they cant see... which is why i want a substance that will make them see something :)
so i still think im likely to go with dxm or acid first. and im quite sure ill have two tabs as that was the advice of soem friends as well. but dxm, can anyone suggest a good starting dose? see i dont wanna go overboard by having too much first go, but it it would really piss me off if i had a light amount to be safe, and then realise i havent had enough :)
 
Originally posted by melancholic:
^^ that is ME!
bloody bluelight login logout shit. im at my girlfriends house, and i forgot about the new system
*sigh*
:)
sure sure, you just wanted to know what it'd feel like to be her...
I bet you wear her panties too ;)
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Two drops of liquid and you will hallucinate, walls melting shadows all around and it seems to make peoples skin look fucked ie, you can see every impurity of thier skin and it is amplified by the acid. EDIT: But one drop is definatly sufficient for the not so psycadelicly inclined.
Or you could boil up some mushys and drink the juice, I dont suggest eating them whole because even drinking the juice takes its toll on your guts. Last time i had them i drunk about a litre and a half of the juice @ my favorite party. Now this was probably the best drug experiance i ever had not only where the visuals intense the euphoric feeling i got from this is something i had never had bfore. I felt electric from head to toe, color was exteamly enhanced and i could see sound, that may seem weird but its as though each sound in the music had its own characterjumping out and screaming the sound at me. Also my hearing was somthing special that nite i have still never heard anything like it the detail in the music was just unbelievable. One thing i did find with shrooms is the high is so high its inevidable that the low is gunna suck, and it does that is the only time i have ever had to go and recover by myself plainly because i couldnt bare anyone even my friends seeing me in that state. But all in all it was worth it.
Now if you truly want to trip daytura is the thing, but IMO it is a bad bad drug, I read up about it and found some doses for someone about the same weight. They said 4 flowers boiled in a litre of water and drink 350mls. I had two flowers finly chopped boiled them in 1 and ahalf litres and drank 200mls. With in about 30mins i could feel it. I had to just close my eyes and go to sleep i woke after about another half hour tripping like i never had bfore and feeling very sick, no coordination ie: walking into walls sitting on seats that were not there. I decided to go for a walk or actuly a ride on my bike, Big mistake i had no balance was riding at about walking pace and could see sparks coming off my front wheel then i went to ride onto the footpath and missed hit the gutter and went over the handle bars in the most ridiculus way. I hit the ground hard and thourght i had broken my arm didnt want to say anything to my mates so i went home. Got on the train Then realised i couldnt see my vision was all blurry. Yes i was tripping hard but had never felt so shit in my life. I eventully got home about 2 and a half hours after taking that shit. I had no hope of sleeping for a while so i got on the computer but i couldnt read the screen, so i grabbed my mums glasses put them on and presto i could see again. The whole time i was sitting there i thourgh my dad was standing next to me in his jocks aking what my problem was, I was showing my mate through this website although he wasnt there, my mouth was so dry i coulcnt swallow unless i had water in my mouth, anything i picked up i dropped including my tea. I grabbed it of the bench turned to walk through the door and walked straight into the fridge. Eventuly i went to sleep. I had work the next day but i couldnt read unless i held the paper about 2 inches from my face until about lunch time.
To this day i know that something in my brain was dammaged beyond repair from taking that crap it took me weeks to feel alright again, and im sure that it didnt get better, my body just adapted.
I srongly discourage anyone using daytura who is not compleatly comf with tripping. This is the one and only time i have ever had it and now i beleive how bad it is. I enjoy tripping and can handle it better than anyone i know and still be able to socialise but daytura is a bad bad drug anyone who is going to try it please read the experances of others who have tryed on this link http://www.erowid.org/plants/datura/datura.shtml
[ 17 January 2002: Message edited by: Jonah ]
 
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