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Benzos What should I do? (diazepam withdrawal).

Crampz

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Hi there everyone!

I'm new here and would really like some input on my situation. I have been on benzos for about 14 months now and am currently prescribed 20mg/day of diazepam.

Now I have been a complete idiot and have been drinking alot recently too but havent had any alcohol for around 10 days - now here is the uber problem. I really want to quit benzos and I'm going to do it this time, call it a new year resolution or something.

However, this is the first time I have really attempted to take them as prescribed (5mg every 6 hours) and even this is hurting, I usually just take all 20 when I am anxious or want to sleep as that seems to be the amount needed to get the job done. Some days its prolly been more than 20mg plus alcohol if I'm honest.

Anyway, does anyone have any tips on how to do this? I spoke to my doctor about quitting them and he said reduce it by 5mg every week but he doesnt know that I've been taking them all at once/drinking.

Is what he is suggesting likely to be successful? Any other recommendations, I'm just coming to a firm conconlusion this is going to severely suck :(

Please help....
 
Your doctor is absolutely right.

Since the way you take them is all at once, I believe this should be a benefit to you. Keep doing what you are doing, take 17.5mg and then take off 2.5mg-5mg every few days. It is pretty much up to you how you want to taper, but when you start, you will need to stick to your plan, make a little calendar that will get you from your starting date to the date that you will not take any diazepam that day.

When it comes to drinking, try not to over the next few weeks. I am not saying DON'T! But it would probably be better to make sure you aren't trading off one drug for another.

Best of luck to you, and congrats on the decision.
 
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I recommend cutting the alcohol out completely, although I managed to taper while drinking on the weekends, but it definitely complicated things. I'm just saying that because I know that it may not be practical for you to 100% quit drinking, so limiting it to the weekends may be more doable for you. When you get to low doses you really need to stop though, since it will probably take at least 5mg to make the hangover manageable, and if you have tapered down to below that then you will be going backwards.

Here is what I did. I started at 10mg of diazepam, and decreased by 2mg each month. I would take 8mg during the day, and alternate nights in which I would take the remaining 2mg, and would slowly phase the 2mg dosage out of my dosing schedule. You can also try waiting as long as possible before taking your first dose, and if you wait long enough that dose should provide enough relief plus be close enough to the night time that you won't need to take the second dose.

Since you are at 20mg you can probably taper a little faster at first, as it's not until you are at 5mg and below that it becomes a lot more difficult to drop the doses. So I recommend lowering by 2.5mg at first until you get down to 10mg, and then you can lower by 2mg. I was able to stabilize at my lower dose in 2-3 weeks, so it wasn't really necessary to wait a full month between dosage reductions, but see how you are doing and go by that.
 
^^ Thanks for the responses guys, I am just a little confused as the first poster and my doctor said I should be okay to reduce it every few days/weekly and tommyboy mentioned he reduced it every month?

I really would like to get it just over and done with as quickly as possible, I was hoping to be off them by the end of January, is this realistic?? Thanks :).
 
A lot of doctors don't know much about properly tapering off of benzos. If you were to get more opinions you would see that their tapering plans would vary a lot. If you want to get off of it asap then I suggest getting down to 1mg as soon as you can. Try to hold off as long as possible and take just enough to get by. Even if you do that though, I think that you will find that you will need at least 10mg to get by. From there you can try reducing by 2mg every 2 weeks instead of reducing by that amount each month, and that will speed the process up without being too uncomfortable.

The reason why I lowered my dose every month despite being comfortable between 2-3 weeks after lowering the dose was because I wanted to get a good week of feeling normal in before lowering my dose again. Also I wanted a good week of sleep before lowering my dose again since every time I lowered my dose my sleep would be limited. You don't want to put yourself through too much by lowering your dose too much too fast, because if you do then you are more likely to give in and take more which would screw up the taper.
 
Thanks! This is just a quick little idea I had - would something like this be okay?

10:30am 7.5mg 10:30pm 10mg
10:30am 7.5mg 10:30pm 10mg
10:30am 7.5mg 10:30pm 10mg
10:30am 7.5mg 10:30pm 10mg
10:30am 5mg 10:30pm 10mg
10:30am 5mg 10:30pm 10mg
10:30am 5mg 10:30pm 10mg
10:30am 5mg 10:30pm 10mg
10:30am 2.5mg 10:30pm 10mg
10:30am 2.5mg 10:30pm 10mg
10:30am 2.5mg 10:30pm 10mg
10:30am 2.5mg 10:30pm 10mg
10:30am 2.5mg 10:30pm 10mg
10:30am 2.5mg 10:30pm 7.5mg
10:30am 2.5mg 10:30pm 7.5mg
10:30am 2.5mg 10:30pm 7.5mg
10:30am 2.5mg 10:30pm 7.5mg
10:30am 2.5mg 10:30pm 7.5mg
10:30am 2.5mg 10:30pm 7.5mg
10:30am STOP 10:30pm 7.5mg
10:30am 10:30pm 5mg
10:30am 10:30pm 5mg
10:30am 10:30pm 5mg
10:30am 10:30pm 5mg
10:30am 10:30pm 5mg
10:30am 10:30pm 2.5mg
10:30am 10:30pm 2.5mg
10:30am 10:30pm 2.5mg
10:30am 10:30pm 1.25mg
10:30am 10:30pm 1.25mg
10:30am 10:30pm 1.25mg


Thanks!
 
I agree with the majority of what other posters have said. If you're trying to stop as quickly as possible then it is entirely up to you and how much discomfort you are willing to deal with. It sounds like you will have a steady supply to wean off with, which is a huge positive. Benzo withdrawals can be a nightmare. Follow the tapering advice you've been given here and if it gets to where you are unable to function as you normally would in daily life (be it work, school, running errands, etc.) you may want to slow down the tapering process, allow your body to get used to what dose you are at (especially once you hit that 5mg mark and lower). If you are not working or going to school right now then you may want to tough it out and stay on track if you are serious about your deadline of January. Just don't fool yourself into thinking that as soon as you make it to 0 the game is over. The real fight is just beginning. Nobody here has really mentioned what happens after you taper off so I'll give you the general idea of what you can expect (though everyone reacts differently).

Herbal supplements and Tips that may alleviate the severity of withdrawal symptoms:

Obviously taking vitamins (magnesium is a must), drinking water, and eating well are all important and can have a large impact on the severity of withdrawal symptoms. Some herbal supplements that are often recommended include Valerian, Kava Kava, 5-HTP, L-Tryptophan, Melatonin, and St. John's Wort. Many help with anxiety, some help with sleep, and more. Neurontin (Gabapentin) can be great for easing anxiety, sleeping, and can help give you an appetite (must be doctor prescribed though, so since you want to keep it from your doc you would probably want to try the ER or a private/public clinic near you. Some of the supplements above are GABA agonists, meaning they stimulate activity at the GABA receptor creating the potential of a slight, often negligible increase in the overall length of withdrawals.

What happens after the physical withdrawals subside:

The physical withdrawals will pass fairly quickly once you've completely tapered off (usually no more than a couple weeks, less if you've tapered at a reasonable pace). The mental withdrawals take much longer and may cause noticeable changes in your mood and behavior. You're likely to feel agitated, impatient, and more stressed out than usual. You will likely find yourself craving the drug long after it's out of your system as well. This is the truly hard part, and it's where most people slip up. Find someone you can talk to openly about the issue. Friend, family member, counselor, it doesn't matter. Just find someone that won't judge you and understands your situation. Be sure to call them if you find yourself thinking about using. Anyone who has been in your position can tell you that having someone to confide in can make all the difference in the world. Try it alone and you' can find yourself rationalizing your way back to where you started before you even know what happened.

Getting through the mental withdrawals and learning how to prevent relapse:

I'm not advocating starting some 12 step program or anything. From the information you provided it doesn't sound like you're anywhere near that point thankfully. Most people have to hit rock bottom and lose everything and everyone in their life before going to rehab and starting the AA/NA thing. You're making a very wise choice by admitting you have a problem and taking the steps to fix it before it takes over your life in such a drastic way. It may not feel like it sometimes, but the mental and physical effects WILL stop, it just takes time and effort. You may have to change a few things in your life to get there though. The most important thing is recognizing what your triggers are. What places, situations, or people make you crave a couple valium and a drink to wash them down with? When you recognize those triggers you can start taking steps to avoid them permanently. This is the perfect time in your life to start a new hobby, something that you enjoy and takes your mind off using. For me it was playing guitar. I know others who prefer reading, writing, playing sports, or just dusting off that old Xbox or PS3 and getting addicted to some game.

(I got dragged into C.O.D. Black Ops/Black Ops II to join an all recovering addicts clan. Perfect for those like myself who seem to open up more when meetings are held through a mic while indiscriminately mowing down your enemies instead of sitting in some cold room with crappy chairs and crappy coffee while everyone takes turns crying and telling the same story over and over). My best friend actually started to DJ after leaving rehab, now it's been five years and his hobby turned into a well-paying career.

My point is, it doesn't matter what you choose... but having a hobby you enjoy means having a place to clear your head when you are feeling the pressure.

Sorry for the novel here, I probably made it all look much harder than it has to be. There is light at the end of the tunnel, it just takes time and effort to get there. hopefully you can scan through it and find something that helps a little. %)

- DeadheadChemistry
 
Tokenname - please make some room in that inbox of yours, and reply to my message plz? its been awhile and was interested in how things went? thanks -aphex
 
Thanks! This is just a quick little idea I had - would something like this be okay?

10:30am 7.5mg 10:30pm 10mg
10:30am 7.5mg 10:30pm 10mg
10:30am 7.5mg 10:30pm 10mg
10:30am 7.5mg 10:30pm 10mg
10:30am 5mg 10:30pm 10mg
10:30am 5mg 10:30pm 10mg
10:30am 5mg 10:30pm 10mg
10:30am 5mg 10:30pm 10mg
10:30am 2.5mg 10:30pm 10mg
10:30am 2.5mg 10:30pm 10mg
10:30am 2.5mg 10:30pm 10mg
10:30am 2.5mg 10:30pm 10mg
10:30am 2.5mg 10:30pm 10mg
10:30am 2.5mg 10:30pm 7.5mg
10:30am 2.5mg 10:30pm 7.5mg
10:30am 2.5mg 10:30pm 7.5mg
10:30am 2.5mg 10:30pm 7.5mg
10:30am 2.5mg 10:30pm 7.5mg
10:30am 2.5mg 10:30pm 7.5mg
10:30am STOP 10:30pm 7.5mg
10:30am 10:30pm 5mg
10:30am 10:30pm 5mg
10:30am 10:30pm 5mg
10:30am 10:30pm 5mg
10:30am 10:30pm 5mg
10:30am 10:30pm 2.5mg
10:30am 10:30pm 2.5mg
10:30am 10:30pm 2.5mg
10:30am 10:30pm 1.25mg
10:30am 10:30pm 1.25mg
10:30am 10:30pm 1.25mg


Thanks!

I'm currently tapering off Valium too. Started at 10mg, and I'm down to 1.75mg daily.
Here's what I did, not saying this is the way to go, but could be helpful:

I basically did the reverse of your taper plan. I'm sure you could do it that way, but I started out only taking 1 dose a day from 10mg down to around 6mg, then I started taking 2 even doses a day. If you're going to take 2 doses a day, I think it feels a little smoother if you take equal doses, reduce with equal amounts, etc. Again, do whatever feels right for you, this is just what I've done so far.

At 20mg, you can definitely make larger cuts every month, but I probably wouldn't do 5mg a week like your doctor said, that's pretty nuts...
All I can say is TAKE IT REALLY REALLY SLOW!
As long as your constantly moving forward, you shouldn't really worry about how long it's taking cause it just takes a really long time unfortunately.

Other tips would be:
-No caffeine (or as little as possible)
-No alcohol (or as little as possible)
-Exercise a lot
-Eat healhty

Oh God it's rough... I wish you the best on your journey. I'm having a really hard time finishing, but you won't have to worry about the really uncomfortable part towards the end for a while. Hope that helped a little.
 
Thanks for the excellent replies guys! I think I need to go healthy food shopping tomorrow. Ive played around with the dosages a bit and given myself an extra week, and tried to even out the dosages in two daily dosages as much as possible. I'm basically thinking of cutting 2.5mg every 5 days and I'll see how it goes after a couple of weeks (i'm on 17.5 right now tho I did forget the evening dose yesterday so i only had 7.5mg.

I'm fairly positive, although I am really depressed as my CV is pretty dismal and huge holes and bizarre events on it (how do i explain dropping out of university and sitting around for 2 years doing nothing except being depressed?) and I need to find a job. *sigh* thats another topic I guess but its stressing me out so it makes it pretty hard to do this when theres those lil pills there that i know will just stop me worrying in a flash.
 
I'm basically thinking of cutting 2.5mg every 5 days and I'll see how it goes after a couple of weeks

Oh yikes! Sorry I just reread the taper plan you made and realized you're thinking of cutting that much consistently every 5 days.

In my experience, that is way too fast. What I noticed was you can get away with larger cuts at the higher doses, but you REALLY need to slow it down once you get to around 5mg. Maybe you can do it, but it just seems like your brain needs time to make the adjustment.

So at the dose your at, I'd cut maybe 2-4mg every 2 weeks, see how that goes, then eventually slow it way back.
If you wanna go full speed ahead and make huge cuts, by all means go for it and see what happens. That's just what I would do though.
It sucks because you really want to get off this crap, but it just takes time. I know man, good luck :D
 
take your time and taper down slowly. I agree with DaftPunkFan, cutting 2.5mg every 5 days might
make things difficult for you. Cutting 2.5mg every 10 days, or 14 days might be better, maybe longer.
Gradually let your body and mind get used to lesser amounts so it's not such a shock to your system.

You'll get through this, just take your time with it.
 
ever single time that i have found myself caught up in benzo addiction, i switch to clonazepam, and it's a breeze.

i tried to get off valium and it was horrible. for some reason, klonopin is extremely smooth to get off. i would never come off valium. too many active metabolites i bet.
 
ever single time that i have found myself caught up in benzo addiction, i switch to clonazepam, and it's a breeze.

i tried to get off valium and it was horrible. for some reason, klonopin is extremely smooth to get off. i would never come off valium. too many active metabolites i bet.

I are spectre, please provide me details on how you got off clonazepam, been on it for 2 years now at about 2 mg per day with a brief switch to diazepam at the end of last year. Anything would be much appreciated.
 
i tapered down to as low of a dose as i could. i was using benzos for about 2 years i think. the first 3 days were kinda tough, i didnt sleep very well, but after 2 weeks i was completely normal. i think the dose i jumped off of was 1 or 2mg. ive done it with 2mg before after extended periods (6 months to a year).

this may not be a good idea because everyone is different. for some reason i can handle it ok. for others, they may need to be under medical supervision. i had someone to take care of me had anything gone wrong. i also stocked up on valarian and kava. unfortunately, the dried roots are so disgusting it's almost impossible to eat them during the peak of withdraw. i had to resort to the much less potent pill forms. but they helped greatly. alcohol did too (beer). again these ideas may or may not be a good idea, im leaning towards not.
 
I guess I'll do it slower than that. I'll probably move down to .250 then jump to minimize discomfort. Insomnia is my worst enemy. Thanks for giving me some hope.
 
youll get off them man, i promise, if you just try real hard you can do it. it wont be that bad. yes insomnia sucks but it wont last more than two weeks at THE MOST. within seven days youll have been through the worst and will see the light. you are almost to freedom my friend!
 
I've been through this before and it sounds like you'd like to drink. My advice is to not drink any booze while you're doing this even though it might seem like a helpful idea. If you are successful with tapering, which I hope you are, you'll potentially end up with a monsterous alcohol dependancy/habit which is tough to fight as well.
 
Hi everyone, thanks for all the input, I just wanted to check something! Basically I have cut down from 20mg to 17.5mg (this is the 4th day now), although like I say it was prolly more than 20mg on some days and drinking too, anyway, my neck is feeling tense and I was hoping to cut down to 15mg tomorrow. I don't know if this is wise reading all the responses on here.

One thing I am curious about is there something I can dissolve diazepam in? I know it is insoluble in water and I only have 5mg pills so it is going to be pretty difficult to make cuts less than 2.5mg - I'm sure cutting the pills into quarters would be possible but it would be difficult to get them even I imagine.

People have said its okay to make bigger cuts at the beginning, so if I were to continue cutting 2.5mg every 5-7 days down to say 10mg would this be okay? Thanks!

Oh and Happy New Year everyone!
 
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