What Percentage Of Bodybuilding.com And The Related Culture Take Steroids?

[Jimmy_Pop]

I was going to post this in the Steroids section but I realize that since it's about a loved one who I think might be affected I'd be better off posting it here.

I just discovered the story of this Australian bodybuilder "Zyzz" who was apparently a bit of an internet celebrity. I'm not sure if the exact cause of death was revealed, but I I'm pretty sure it was steroids-related since he was supposedly on some really unhealthy cocktail of steroids before he died.

My brother is into the bodybuilding.com weightlifting scene and is overly ripped. I don't know how to quantify these things but I'd say he's around "Zyzz"'s level.

Of course, I'm not one to pass judgment, since I'm an addict myself, but the steroid thing seems like a huge can of worms if you stay on long enough.

I've been looking into this whole weight lifting thing online and something I keep hearing is "you'd really be surprised how low the plateau is for muscle development without steroids."

Which I take to mean "very few obviously ripped people are not on steroids."

If that's the case, should I be concerned, or is it possible he's just getting all this on protein supps?

 

[stardust.hero]

You are going to get a better answer in Steroid Discussion. Moved: TDS --> SD.

 

[Genetic Freak]

I was going to post this in the Steroids section but I realize that since it's about a loved one who I think might be affected I'd be better off posting it here.

I just discovered the story of this Australian bodybuilder "Zyzz" who was apparently a bit of an internet celebrity. I'm not sure if the exact cause of death was revealed, but I I'm pretty sure it was steroids-related since he was supposedly on some really unhealthy cocktail of steroids before he died.

My brother is into the bodybuilding.com weightlifting scene and is overly ripped. I don't know how to quantify these things but I'd say he's around "Zyzz"'s level.

Of course, I'm not one to pass judgment, since I'm an addict myself, but the steroid thing seems like a huge can of worms if you stay on long enough.

I've been looking into this whole weight lifting thing online and something I keep hearing is "you'd really be surprised how low the plateau is for muscle development without steroids."

Which I take to mean "very few obviously ripped people are not on steroids."

If that's the case, should I be concerned, or is it possible he's just getting all this on protein supps?

Modern day steroid use by an increasing number of the younger generation, seems to be more of a short-cut for their own bloody idleness...
Steroids are seen as a quick-fix, but without correct diet or training methodology you won't reap their full benefits..
There is the common misconception that if you increase the dose, strength and size will automatically increase.. without taking into account possible side effects which will negate gains...

Steroids can be used safely, with sensible compound selection and safe dosages..

Steroids don't abuse people, people abuse steroids...

 

[Effuzion]

Modern day steroid use by an increasing number of the younger generation, seems to be more of a short-cut for their own bloody idleness...
Steroids are seen as a quick-fix, but without correct diet or training methodology you won't reap their full benefits..
There is the common misconception that if you increase the dose, strength and size will automatically increase.. without taking into account possible side effects which will negate gains...

Steroids can be used safely, with sensible compound selection and safe dosages..

Steroids don't abuse people, people abuse steroids...

He never said steroids are bad, he was asking if it's possible that his brother is abusing steroids.

I say it's possible, but I can't say for sure without knowing your brother and what he looks like. I've seen people who have worked out rigorously and took great care of their bodies for years and they're nowhere near as ripped as some "bodybuilders".

 

[CaptainSpock]

I was going to post this in the Steroids section but I realize that since it's about a loved one who I think might be affected I'd be better off posting it here.

I just discovered the story of this Australian bodybuilder "Zyzz" who was apparently a bit of an internet celebrity. I'm not sure if the exact cause of death was revealed, but I I'm pretty sure it was steroids-related since he was supposedly on some really unhealthy cocktail of steroids before he died.

My brother is into the bodybuilding.com weightlifting scene and is overly ripped. I don't know how to quantify these things but I'd say he's around "Zyzz"'s level.

Of course, I'm not one to pass judgment, since I'm an addict myself, but the steroid thing seems like a huge can of worms if you stay on long enough.

I've been looking into this whole weight lifting thing online and something I keep hearing is "you'd really be surprised how low the plateau is for muscle development without steroids."

Which I take to mean "very few obviously ripped people are not on steroids."

If that's the case, should I be concerned, or is it possible he's just getting all this on protein supps?

Was a highly active member on that site for years. Steroid use on the site really depends on what sub-forum is being visited. The misc, most, but not all of those guys lift for fun and are very niave about the subject. Supplement Misc section...basically members and company reps laughing about promoting bs products and there tales of use. The journals section you'll find very open individuals who give out daily routines and if they are using most come clean. Also, a big joke on the site is if your username begins with "natural," there is a good chance youre not lol.

Really just by judging by his use of the forum will be hard to tell if he's using, unless he clearly states it on the site, so I wouldn't go by that. More so, has he gained a significant amount of muscle in a short period of time? Gained a large amount while also loosing body fat? One month is he looking flat and seems lethargic and tired yet the next pumped up and looking different? Skin take on an almost leathery feel to it? Acne in common places (chest, back, shoulders, possibly face?). Any random, non advertised boxes show up monthly addressed to him? Those are better signs of steroid use but going to be hard to tell.

Also, "Zyzz" was quite into the party scene, using Ecstasy, cocaine, etc on a frequent basis. That mixed with duiretics is a disaster. On the night of his reported death abroad, he was found in a suana. Dehydration, duiretics, heavy steroid use, and supposed cocaine use the night before is simply a recipe for disaster for any human being.

 

[Genetic Freak]

He never said steroids are bad, he was asking if it's possible that his brother is abusing steroids.

I say it's possible, but I can't say for sure without knowing your brother and what he looks like. I've seen people who have worked out rigorously and took great care of their bodies for years and they're nowhere near as ripped as some "bodybuilders".

To quote: I'm pretty sure it was steroids-related since he was supposedly on some really unhealthy cocktail of steroids before he died.


but the steroid thing seems like a huge can of worms if you stay on long enough

Looks to be slagging off steroids to me....

Unless he's caught pinning, or he posts a copy of a blood test, how the fuck does anyone on here know if his brother is on steroids???? Stupid fucking question...

 

[Effuzion]

To quote: I'm pretty sure it was steroids-related since he was supposedly on some really unhealthy cocktail of steroids before he died.


but the steroid thing seems like a huge can of worms if you stay on long enough

Looks to be slagging off steroids to me....

How is that slagging on steroids? Some combinations of steroids can be unhealthy. That's a valid statement. And saying steroids "seem to be a huge can of worms" is not exactly saying anything one way or the other.

 

[Wolfmans_BrothEr]

i remember reading about that guy. he was juicing and he also used alot of cocaine and some other shit also i think

i go on bb.com from time to time and while imo most of the people there are juicing on som degree, i cant be 100% sure

ive been lifting on and off since 06 and there have times where ive been in some ridiculous shape. ive never used steroids and never will. its completely possible to get big without it, it just takes more work imo. ive plateaud many times but the way around that is to switch up your routine.

in short, no, u dont need roids to get jacked, but a lot of people do anyway cuz theyre lazy corner-cutting fucks

its also important to note theres endomorphs, mesomorphs and ectomorphs. most people are a combination of two, and depending on which you are will determine how defined and big you look. genetics also play a big part in progress

two ways i can generally tell if someone is juicing is a lot of acne (back, chest, face) and a protruding abdomin (itll kinda look like the alien is about to burst out of their chest)

if u wanna see effects of steroid use just look at pictures of the jersey shore guys from season to season. (mainly ronnie and mike) i didnt watch that show for a few years and saw an episode from one of the later seasons and said to myself "damn, someones been sticking needles in their butt" (u can also tell by their severe mood swings throughout the seasons)

 

[auhsoJ]

i remember reading about that guy. he was juicing and he also used alot of cocaine and some other shit also i think

i go on bb.com from time to time and while imo most of the people there are juicing on som degree, i cant be 100% sure

ive been lifting on and off since 06 and there have times where ive been in some ridiculous shape. ive never used steroids and never will. its completely possible to get big without it, it just takes more work imo. ive plateaud many times but the way around that is to switch up your routine.

in short, no, u dont need roids to get jacked, but a lot of people do anyway cuz theyre lazy corner-cutting fucks

its also important to note theres endomorphs, mesomorphs and ectomorphs. most people are a combination of two, and depending on which you are will determine how defined and big you look. genetics also play a big part in progress

two ways i can generally tell if someone is juicing is a lot of acne (back, chest, face) and a protruding abdomin (itll kinda look like the alien is about to burst out of their chest)

if u wanna see effects of steroid use just look at pictures of the jersey shore guys from season to season. (mainly ronnie and mike) i didnt watch that show for a few years and saw an episode from one of the later seasons and said to myself "damn, someones been sticking needles in their butt" (u can also tell by their severe mood swings throughout the seasons)

I actually think training natural is easier than assisted. That depends entirely on the individual though. When I'm natural I don't need to eat as much, can't train as often or long and I have to take more time off from training. I can see some lazy fatty taking steroids, rarely training and eating crap though. That's corner cutting. Don't generalize.

 

[Voxide]

i remember reading about that guy. he was juicing and he also used alot of cocaine and some other shit also i think

i go on bb.com from time to time and while imo most of the people there are juicing on som degree, i cant be 100% sure

ive been lifting on and off since 06 and there have times where ive been in some ridiculous shape. ive never used steroids and never will. its completely possible to get big without it, it just takes more work imo. ive plateaud many times but the way around that is to switch up your routine.

in short, no, u dont need roids to get jacked, but a lot of people do anyway cuz theyre lazy corner-cutting fucks

its also important to note theres endomorphs, mesomorphs and ectomorphs. most people are a combination of two, and depending on which you are will determine how defined and big you look. genetics also play a big part in progress

two ways i can generally tell if someone is juicing is a lot of acne (back, chest, face) and a protruding abdomin (itll kinda look like the alien is about to burst out of their chest)

if u wanna see effects of steroid use just look at pictures of the jersey shore guys from season to season. (mainly ronnie and mike) i didnt watch that show for a few years and saw an episode from one of the later seasons and said to myself "damn, someones been sticking needles in their butt" (u can also tell by their severe mood swings throughout the seasons)

You're an idiot. We're not talking about some kid that casually goes to the gym once in a while.

Bodybuilders are people who live for this, and will ultimately die for this; and while it's true that 90% of the people taking steroids have no business doing so, it hardly constitutes as corner cutting when being 300lbs is a pre-requisite to step on stage nowadays.

Zyzz is a perfect example of what happens when you're a fucking moron and don't respect the chemicals you're using.

 

[Wolfmans_BrothEr]

I actually think training natural is easier than assisted. That depends entirely on the individual though. When I'm natural I don't need to eat as much, can't train as often or long and I have to take more time off from training. I can see some lazy fatty taking steroids, rarely training and eating crap though. That's corner cutting. Don't generalize.

i see ur point but imo injecting a foreign, man made substance which speeds up muscle recovery is cutting corners

everyone has their own opinion and thats mine.

i dont dislike people who juice, i just feel they set a bad example. people refer to zyzz as the "god of modern bodybuilding" and the "king of aesthetics" when in reality this guy promoted such an unhealthy lifestyle and those around him then tried to cover it up bc they knew it was wrong. i mean the guy posted pictures of people injecting him, what a fucking tool. he preached the body being a temple and such, yet lived life the complete opposite

the sad part is he couldve easily made a similar transformation without pumping a bunch of shit into his body. at that age your body responds so quickly to weight lifting granted you have the correct diet and routine, he couldve still been an icon with a great body and still be alive. he was unhappy with his body so he took a bunch of drugs to help him change it. i got ripped and huge in the span of a year from 16-17 so i know its possible

imo arnold is the real king of modern bodybuilding. im not saying i agree with all his practices (apparantley he used steroids also) but he changed the game the same way people claim this pill popping line blowing juicehead did. if u ever read arnold's encyclopedia of modern bodybuilding ud know that guy was a scientist when it came to body building, and id much rather have my kids grow up with a role model like arnold than that australian fuck.

sorry but its a subject i get pretty heated about. being a personal trainer and sport management student i know REAL athletic lifestyle is achieving it naturally and healthy, and people like this guy and all the PED abusing athletes out there send the wrong message and are completely ruining the lifestyle and culture. theres a lot wrong with sport culture today but thats a whole different story. this is why i never enter this sub-forum bc i know ill just end up flaming nearly every thread here when i have no right to

You're an idiot.

hahah ok thanks. just because its the generally accepted principle doesnt make it justifiable. it just means theres something essentially wrong with the state of athletics and bodybuilding today. its completely deteriorated to the shit you guys look up to today. for that, your opinion means nill to me and thats as much time ill spend on u

 

[Voxide]

i see ur point but imo injecting a foreign, man made substance which speeds up muscle recovery is cutting corners

everyone has their own opinion and thats mine.

i dont dislike people who juice, i just feel they set a bad example. people refer to zyzz as the "god of modern bodybuilding" and the "king of aesthetics" when in reality this guy promoted such an unhealthy lifestyle and those around him then tried to cover it up bc they knew it was wrong. i mean the guy posted pictures of people injecting him, what a fucking tool. he preached the body being a temple and such, yet lived life the complete opposite

the sad part is he couldve easily made a similar transformation without pumping a bunch of shit into his body. at that age your body responds so quickly to weight lifting granted you have the correct diet and routine, he couldve still been an icon with a great body and still be alive. he was unhappy with his body so he took a bunch of drugs to help him change it. i got ripped and huge in the span of a year from 16-17 so i know its possible

imo arnold is the real king of modern bodybuilding. im not saying i agree with all his practices (apparantley he used steroids also) but he changed the game the same way people claim this pill popping line blowing juicehead did. if u ever read arnold's encyclopedia of modern bodybuilding ud know that guy was a scientist when it came to body building, and id much rather have my kids grow up with a role model like arnold that that australian fuck.

sorry but its a subject i get pretty heated about. being a personal trainer and sport management student i know REAL athletic lifestyle is achieving it naturally and healthy, and people like this guy and all the PED abusing athletes out there send the wrong message and are completely ruining the lifestyle and culture. theres a lot wrong with sport culture today but thats a whole different story. this is why i never enter this sub-forum bc i know ill just end up flaming nearly every thread here when i have no right to



hahah ok thanks. just because its the generally accepted principle doesnt make it justifiable. it just means theres something essentially wrong with the state of athletics and bodybuilding today. its completely deteriorated to the shit you guys look up to today. for that, your opinion means nill to me and thats as much time ill spend on u

But it's not athletics. It's bodybuilding.

You don't know what you're talking about, do you? The fact that you're probably a drug addict or at least were at one point makes your post all the more comical.

 

[Voxide]

hahahaha omg ok weightlifting and athletics. happy? now are you gonna continue to nitpick or are u ready to come up with a real response? altho it really doesnt matter im about done with this thread. i have nothing to prove or defend.

Weightlifting still has nothing to do with bodybuilding.

We know you have nothing to defend. That's because you're a fucking moron.

 

[Wolfmans_BrothEr]

But it's not athletics. It's bodybuilding.

it just means theres something essentially wrong with the state of athletics and bodybuilding today.

...look, whoever you are, you can continue to tell me how im wrong because i used the wrong word here or there but until you come up with a valid argument you have no credibility. even if you do im just about done with this, ive said my piece and have no interest in proving it any more. i study this shit on a daily basis and debating with you is elementary

furthermore you calling me an idiot and a fucking moron really make you look like an intellectual subject. instead of insulting my intelligence how about you come up with a logical retort? ill wait while you look up retort in the dictionary......

 

[Voxide]

...look, whoever you are, you can continue to tell me how im wrong because i used the wrong word here or there but until you come up with a valid argument you have no credibility. even if you do im just about done with this, ive said my piece and have no interest in proving it any more. i study this shit on a daily basis and debating with you is elementary

Yeah, Personal Trainer school must teach you so much about the legitimate application of hormones. 8)

Spare me.

 

[Lsdemon]

I am almost entirely sure that 50% of the bodybuilding culture/community is on some form of anabolic steroid. I have been around the culture for a long time and it is sadly not only extremely prevalent but in some cases is the industry standard and even encouraged if you are competing in any form of bodybuilding or athletic competition.
If taken responsibly steroids are not likely to take a person's life but prolonged use as well as unreasonable use will almost certainly put you in a early grave.

 

[Wolfmans_BrothEr]

Yeah, Personal Trainer school must teach you so much about the legitimate application of hormones. 8)

theres no "school" for PT's per-sey. however i do attend college for sport management, and currently take both sports in society, current events in sports and human anatomy courses, and a large aspect of it is the culture changes in sports over the years, with public perception and PED's being at the forefront of both. i dont see what the scientific application of hormones has to do with anything im arguing. im talking about the actions of certain athletes/bodybuilders and their affect on youth and sport culture as a whole.

youve managed to derail this thread in spectacular fasion and insult me based mainly on the fact that i dont agree with your lifestyle and whatever irregularities you find in my responses. yet youve still failed to touch on the issue as a whole and in reality making yourself look like the fucking moron

 

[Genetic Freak]

theres no "school" for PT's per-sey. however i do attend college for sport management, and currently take both sports in society, current events in sports and human anatomy courses, and a large aspect of it is the culture changes in sports over the years, with public perception and PED's being at the forefront of both. i dont see what the scientific application of hormones has to do with anything im arguing. im talking about the actions of certain athletes/bodybuilders and their affect on youth and sport culture as a whole.

youve managed to derail this thread in spectacular fasion and insult me based mainly on the fact that i dont agree with your lifestyle and whatever irregularities you find in my responses. yet youve still failed to touch on the issue as a whole and in reality making yourself look like the fucking moron

Happy New Year Gentlemen....!!!!

I might suggest, it unfortunately comes down to an uneducated idleness of our youth, which sadly stems from society in general.. Aesthetics, and body-building are now judged as being the same, the reality is they are totally different... Body-building requires a lifetime of commitment, the aesthetic movement made popular by Zyzz, seems to be about a falsified image, so long as you appear to look good in a t-shirt in a club, fuck what you are doing to your insides with the drug abuse, and lol at the fact you have no legs..

When I first started training which was over 30 years ago, we studied what we could, had a good diet and stuck to basic compound exercises, didn't miss training, and kept out of clubs.. (mostly).. lol

I think that was called discipline.. You don't hear much of that word any-more..

All you hear now is: what drugs can I take to make me biggest in the shortest possible time.. Oh, whilst getting fucked off my face in a club every weekend... Oh, I'm not growing, need to take more steroids or my steroids aren't working... Pass me a Mc Donnalds...!!!

Zyzz, and his crowd did tend to promote this lifestyle to our youth.......

The fact he had a few lumps and turned up in a gym did not make Zyzz a body-builder...

To be a successful body-builder you need years of dedication to diet and training, To place in a podium position as a Pro you need great genetics, insulin, HGH, and a combination of Anabolic Steroids... and the rest...

Insulin, HGH, testosterone, and cutting compounds can be used successfully with relative safety for body-building if you take time to learn your shit, choose your compounds and dosages wisely and where possible seek medical supervision...

Its when idiots like Zyzz abuse you get problems, and idiots don't seem to be in short supply....

 

[-Guido-]

i see ur point but imo injecting a foreign, man made substance which speeds up muscle recovery is cutting corners

What about a diabetic injecting insulin?

 

[-Guido-]

happy new year gentlemen....!!!!

I might suggest, it unfortunately comes down to an uneducated idleness of our youth, which sadly stems from society in general.. Aesthetics, and body-building are now judged as being the same, the reality is they are totally different... Body-building requires a lifetime of commitment, the aesthetic movement made popular by zyzz, seems to be about a falsified image, so long as you appear to look good in a t-shirt in a club, fuck what you are doing to your insides with the drug abuse, and lol at the fact you have no legs..

When i first started training which was over 30 years ago, we studied what we could, had a good diet and stuck to basic compound exercises, didn't miss training, and kept out of clubs.. (mostly).. Lol

i think that was called discipline.. You don't hear much of that word any-more..

All you hear now is: What drugs can i take to make me biggest in the shortest possible time.. Oh, whilst getting fucked off my face in a club every weekend... Oh, i'm not growing, need to take more steroids or my steroids aren't working... Pass me a mc donnalds...!!!

Zyzz, and his crowd did tend to promote this lifestyle to our youth.......

The fact he had a few lumps and turned up in a gym did not make zyzz a body-builder...

To be a successful body-builder you need years of dedication to diet and training, to place in a podium position as a pro you need great genetics, insulin, hgh, and a combination of anabolic steroids... And the rest...

Insulin, hgh, testosterone, and cutting compounds can be used successfully with relative safety for body-building if you take time to learn your shit, choose your compounds and dosages wisely and where possible seek medical supervision...

Its when idiots like zyzz abuse you get problems, and idiots don't seem to be in short supply....

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