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What is your theory of society?

I legitimately don't have a theory of society. This is because I am far too ignorant of sociology to form one or subscribe to one. (But at least I have the meta-cognition to recognize that.)


I'll be following this thread and perhaps post at some point with any "mini-theory" or subsection of theory I have become attached to or formed. (mini-theory...sort of like how Q.C.D. can be said to be a mini-theory that forms part of the larger Standard Model of Particle Physics. IT covers one specific type of interaction...I don't think I'll be able to deal with anything more than one type of social interaction properly given that it's not my field of study. Shit I'd be truly amazed if I even manage to handle 1 without it being wack and divergent from reality on some level.)
 
rangrz said:
I'll be following this thread and perhaps post at some point with any "mini-theory" or subsection of theory I have become attached to or formed.

I think that mini-theoretical formations are more than fine. In fact, there's a strong movement in many sociological circles away from macrotheory, deeming the whole project nonviable (I think sometimes on more valid epistemological or rarely ontological grounds), but sometimes on the grounds of throwing one's hands up and saying, "Well...we've failed at this--maybe it's impossible). A key problem, though, is that 'mini-theories' in sociology, applicable solely to certain types of interactions, certain types of participants, or certain types of interactions, tend not to fit into coherent macro-theories in the way that localized theories of interactions fit into wider theories (be they quantum mechanical or relativistic).

...I don't think I'll be able to deal with anything more than one type of social interaction properly given that it's not my field of study. Shit I'd be truly amazed if I even manage to handle 1 without it being wack and divergent from reality on some level.

Well, without vast available banks of empirical study with which one is thoroughly acquainted, speculation is fine. If it weren't, I would do well to shut up about anything inapplicable to political economy or labor studies. ;)

ebola
 
rangrz said:
... at least I have the meta-cognition to recognize that.)
"Meta-cognition" is consciousness.
http://www.funnelbrain.com/c-853846-text-defined-awareness-one-s-own-perception-thoughts.html
... tend not to fit into coherent macro-theories in the way that localized theories of interactions fit into wider theories (be they quantum mechanical or relativistic).
Well. Physics is easier to study but the principles of science demand that a theory works. Nothing is ever given stronger validation than that. Tying together is the natural result.
There are also multiple explanations of a single phenomena which are equally valid but one way might be a whole lot easier for us to conceptualize in each case, air particles causing lift vs low pressure zones, for instance. They teach one over the other to familiarize students with broader concepts but at the end of it all nobody knows which path must ultimately be followed, as there is no ultimate lecture.
Might be too far off topic.
I love the idea of building up to larger understanding in small steps, rather than trying to guess at the big picture. This was my conclusion of what sociology needed to evolve toward, while I was taking sociology/philosophy intro courses.
 
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I love the idea of building up to larger understanding in small steps, rather than trying to guess at the big picture. This was my conclusion of what sociology needed to evolve toward, while I was taking sociology/philosophy intro courses.

The problem, though, is that one's initial theoretical suppositions penetrate into the very construction of the empirical object at hand. Reckoning with the implications of this fact for the project of modernity (roughly, let's say, the quest for certainty spanning from Descartes to Kant) informed deeply the philosophical bases for the initial project of sociology (rearing its head decisively in Marx's take on ontology and epistemology).

ebola
 
By imperical object do you mean object being studied or a hypothetical object being proposed?
Show me a test to prove to myself emperically that societies exist.
I do not know what you mean by "penetrate" but how would this praxis differ among any sorts of hypotheses?
I was enthused by Descartes because he began with the correct supposition that all philosophy, up to that point, was totally lacking any objectivity; not the slapdash conclusion that objectivity does not exist.
No philosophy evolved from Descartes. It returned to nonsense.
 
Society, to me, is simply the structure of all interpersonal relationships. There is a global society, with people of all nations, religions, races, genders, ideologies, professions, classes, etc interacting with one another and to some degree depending on one another. They interact with each other through economics, through spirituality, through government, through common interests and through simple communication.

The issue with defining society is that one needs a specific enough set of analytical categories to allow for inferences to be made about how society functions. So yes, this definition is almost certainly 'correct', but what does it suggest about social dynamics? Nascently, your perspective seems to be rooted in a wide variety of ways to conceptualize social relationships.

There are also smaller representations of society at large. There are nations that hold national identities, still with people of different classes, races, religions, genders, interests, professions, etc. There are regional level societies, local level societies, all the way down to the familial level. These are all examples of groups of people sharing interpersonal and inter-dependable relationships with a larger group.

I think that we need to be analytically precise about how representation functions in society, and even what it is, at a basic level. This poses closely related questions: how do socio-structural dynamics relate to the production of meaning? In short, what are organizations, what are meanings per-se, and how do the two interrelate to produce processes of representation?

I think there are a lot of unnecessary divisions in society. There are class divisions, racial divisions, gender divisions, ideological divisions, regional and national divisions, religious divisions. These are all barriers that prevent society at large from realizing the potential unity and practical usefulness of an open, egalitarian and free society at large. There can never be peace, universal access to knowledge and understanding, free movement of people and ideas, equitable distribution of resources or an end to bigotry, poverty or ignorance until these boundaries are erased at the global level.

This is essentially a paraphrasing of the Marxist dialectic in its basic form (ie, "contradiction" for Marxist class-dynamics).

The practical application of this, however.......

It seems to me that practically, radical unrest from below impels production of "hegemonic capitalism" (ie, a system presenting class-concessions to stablize capitalism overall) rather than 'despotic', unfettered capitalism (ie, class-domination and exploitation unleashed).

ebola
 
(the following is in prep for a job interview, so it will likely be pretty long)

Society for Weber:

For Weber, "society" does not truly constitute a unified whole. Instead, there are organizations and institutions, set within "social spheres", set in historically rooted, causally contingent interaction. As organizations change in varying interaction with one another, they produce seemingly porously bounded 'societies', but transformation via both intrinsic and extrinsic inter-organizational dynamics render the border and internal dynamics of this 'porous whole' subject to constant change.

For Weber, social institutions are rooted in the "action orientation" of individual "types" (analytically, "ideal types" as prototypical exemplars). An action orientation is an ethic for behavioral regulation, direction, and interpretation, anchoring roles and identities. Institutions are defined at their core by the shared action orientation of the central group of participants in organizations within these institutions. Eg, the ethic of the capitalist entrepreneur is to accumulate wealth through rationalized profit-seeking as an absolute end (ie, profit accumulation anchors substantive rationality for prototypical capitalists). The capitalist regulates his or her behavior in terms of high-efficacy (ie, purposively rational) pursuit of this end. It is through this pursuit that the capitalist participates in producing and maintaining stable economic firms as organizations, and in aggregate a stable, rationalized economy as an institutional set. However, while Weber emphasizes that individuals with particular action-orientations present the brunt of causal conditions producing institutions, there are other structural conditions that make the pursuit of given action-orientations viable. Eg, capitalism is also predicated on formally free-labor, centralization of possession of proper physical capital, a compatible legal order cultivated by a bureaucratized state, etc.

So here, we have a theory of the relationship between organizations, meanings, and individual participants. Practical deployment of the action-orientation produces meanings and social reproduction or change by linking social structure and interpretation of that structure in a singular social process (here, I might be reading a bit of Marx and Foucault into Weber).

But how does social change occur for Weber? Well, insofar as social meanings are adopted trans-organizationally (or trans-institutionally) (usually through novel charismatic authority exercised by individuals participating in a historically novel combination of organizations in some way), participants transform social-structure in terms of the novel behavioral dynamics they produce when putting these novel meanings into action. These novel organizational dynamics in turn transform other meanings and protocol for practice within these organizations, and ultimately the wider institutions that contain them (again, I might be reading other sociologists into Weber). Eg, the methodical, rational, hedonism-denying ethic of Puritanical Protestantism cultivated the rational, methodical ethic of the modern capitalist when adopted by entrepreneurs.

From here, Weber fills in numerous details, particularly centered around historically specific ideal types, modes of legitimate domination (traditional/patrimonial, charismatic, and rational-bureaucratic), and types of meta-organizations (eg, class, status, and party).

ebola
 
pmoseman said:
By imperical object do you mean object being studied or a hypothetical object being proposed?

Both, really. How the object of study is conceptualized and the 'shape' of the experimental apparatus structure both what is parsed out in observation and the layout of the conceptual components of theorization.

Show me a test to prove to myself emperically that societies exist.

This question is axiomatically definitional rather than empirical. One first adopts a particular conception of society, this conception partially structuring the social dynamics observed.

I do not know what you mean by "penetrate" but how would this praxis differ among any sorts of hypotheses?

Well, I conceive of the 'manifold' observed mostly as an indeterminate 'flux', potentially generative of numerous partial theories through which this flux is rendered intelligible. Choice of theory determines partially what aspects of this flux 'pop-out' for analysis; to discover is also in some sense to create.

I was enthused by Descartes because he began with the correct supposition that all philosophy, up to that point, was totally lacking any objectivity; not the slapdash conclusion that objectivity does not exist.

What is objectivity? Why should we assume it exists? I don't consider the latter conclusion "slapdash", as most philosophers put forth theoretical alternatives to "objectivity" (however it might be construed).

No philosophy evolved from Descartes. It returned to nonsense.

Holy crap! You're kicking it oldschool. But what does Cartesian metaphysics have to say about social theory?

ebola
 
The issue with defining society is that one needs a specific enough set of analytical categories to allow for inferences to be made about how society functions. So yes, this definition is almost certainly 'correct', but what does it suggest about social dynamics? Nascently, your perspective seems to be rooted in a wide variety of ways to conceptualize social relationships.

I think it suggests that there is an extremely complex array of social dynamism. There are an almost unlimited ways for individuals, organizations, institutions, states etc to interact with other groups. In my definition for example, even within a national society in many cases, there are complex and ever changing social dynamics at work. These factional societies interact with one another in a similar way that individuals interact with one another to form these factional societies. National societies interact with one another to form a global society, factional societies may also interact internationally. But ultimately, individuals, groups, factional societies, national societies, and international societies are tied together into a larger society at large.


I think that we need to be analytically precise about how representation functions in society, and even what it is, at a basic level. This poses closely related questions: how do socio-structural dynamics relate to the production of meaning? In short, what are organizations, what are meanings per-se, and how do the two interrelate to produce processes of representation?

Can you elaborate a little further here?



This is essentially a paraphrasing of the Marxist dialectic in its basic form (ie, "contradiction" for Marxist class-dynamics).

More or less. Class dynamics as Marx describe them are one piece of the formula. Racial, national, religious etc dynamism can also apply independent of the Marxian analysis of class structure itself.

It seems to me that practically, radical unrest from below impels production of "hegemonic capitalism" (ie, a system presenting class-concessions to stablize capitalism overall) rather than 'despotic', unfettered capitalism (ie, class-domination and exploitation unleashed).

A few questions on this:

1) Can "hegemonic capitalism" exist without class-domination and class exploitation? In other words- can such a thing really exist?

2) Can class consciousness be presented in a way that would actually preserve or stabilize capitalism overall? I understand the presentation of the "middle" class, the desire to attain access to this class and how it's being used as a means to stabilize capitalism itself. But is this really class consciousness or is it a facade? It would seem that understanding class as a relationship to production would have the opposite effect, and deter the stability while promoting the instability of existing capitalistic relations.
 
bardeaux said:
I think it suggests that there is an extremely complex array of social dynamism. There are an almost unlimited ways for individuals, organizations, institutions, states etc to interact with other groups. In my definition for example, even within a national society in many cases, there are complex and ever changing social dynamics at work. These factional societies interact with one another in a similar way that individuals interact with one another to form these factional societies. National societies interact with one another to form a global society, factional societies may also interact internationally. But ultimately, individuals, groups, factional societies, national societies, and international societies are tied together into a larger society at large.

And this type of picture is all well and good, and clearly hard to contest, but I think things get a whole lot more interesting when theories get more specific. Without some idea of how entities tend to interrelate, it's hard to glean any clear descriptions of socio-history in action. From the above schematic, anything could be expected to happen, given the wide array of causally indeterminate modes of interrelation available to 'actors' working on numerous levels.

I have found it personally useful to begin with more restricted theoretical frameworks and then see if I can get one theorist to 'speak' to another, initially through comparison and contrast, but with the ultimate goal of clarifying synthesis. This is actually often the point of departure through which more famous grand-theorists found their work. For example, in some sense, the Marxism of the Frankfurt school reflects selective mating of Marx and Weber (drawing mainly on the former's thoughts on ideology and the latter's analysis of deference to authority). Similarly, Bourdieu presents a grand-synthesis of numerous theorists, but focusing decisively on reconciling the existentialist's focus on how people act creatively to establish meaning in a world in many ways opposed to them and the Foucauldian schematic of how institutionalized power penetrates into the very structure of self-hood, and in turn how we regulate desire to forge identity. Bourdieu's conceptual tool here is the habitus, a body of inscribed dispositions, at once structured by one's social history but also generative of creative responses to social contexts.

Now, I haven't been nearly as successful forging my own syntheses, but I'd like to think I've gotten places setting Foucault 'in dialogue with' Gramsci and the Frankfurt school. . .

Can you elaborate a little further here?

I hope so. A key task of any widely encompassing social theory will be to account for what human meanings are, how we produce them, and how they affect other social processes (particularly those in which these meanings are embedded). As a corollary, because individuals are thoroughly social beings, social meanings intertwine with the construction of our psyche in its most intimately detailed desires, cognitive schemata, and identities. Here, processes of "representation" play a key role. There must be some way in which meanings relate to the extra-semiotic objects/actors/processes/etc. they 'point' toward. This process, I think, is reciprocal (indeed, dialectical, or perhaps 'Strange Looping'): while social practices produce their own representations as metonymous components found within them, we come to understand such processes solely through such representations, these same processes of representation anchoring the mark society makes on the psyche.

More concretely, I think that Benedict Anderson does a good job exploring the nation-state as processes of representation in Imagined Communities, providing a very open, exploratory framework.

Racial, national, religious etc dynamism can also apply independent of the Marxian analysis of class structure itself.

Indeed, but how so? Really, this simply points to the neo-Marxist aspiration to lend greater specificity and clarity to the Marxist concept of ideology 'emerging of' a somehow more fundamental economic base. I've usually found it more useful to expand Marx's concept of this economic base and complicate the relation between this base and the modes through which we become conscious of it than graft entirely disparate frameworks onto Marx's basics.

1) Can "hegemonic capitalism" exist without class-domination and class exploitation? In other words- can such a thing really exist?

I say, "no". Social schism into workers and capitalists, the latter dominating and exploiting the former, comprises the very essence of capitalism. Perhaps I was unclear about what I meant by "hegemony". Here, I mean capitalist domination maintained mainly via the provision of concessions to subordinate classes to quell revolt. Such provision is additionally ideological, whereby ruling elites present status-quo relations as not only natural but also in the communal interest (deceivingly but seemingly plausibly). In this way, hegemony cements domination rather than 'authentically' ameliorating it, and it is ever tenuous and contested, functioning in concert with more forceful, 'despotic' measures which ensure status-quo rule where hegemony is incomplete.

Our current politico-economic situation illustrates such aptly: in the US especially, the New Deal class-concessions which quelled socialist revolution in mid 20th C. America have largely eroded. One could characterize violent penal containment of the inner-city poor as paradigmatic of despotic class-rule.

2) Can class consciousness be presented in a way that would actually preserve or stabilize capitalism overall? I understand the presentation of the "middle" class, the desire to attain access to this class and how it's being used as a means to stabilize capitalism itself. But is this really class consciousness or is it a facade? It would seem that understanding class as a relationship to production would have the opposite effect, and deter the stability while promoting the instability of existing capitalistic relations.

Er...here, I simply agree. Did you perhaps misread "class-concessions" as "class-consciousness" in the paragraph to which you responded earlier?

ebola
 
I think you are being a little too broad in a subject I am really unfamiliar with. I honestly have no way of knowing wether you are saying anything that makes sense or if you are just making up a lot of jargony sounding paradigms. I can't begin to answer your questions either.
 
English translation: What social constructs are obvious to you, why are they obvious, and how do they react? Considering these social constructs, what predictions do you have about the path society is on? What influence do you think that path has on interpersonal relationships and the idea of self?

Simplified English translation: What's your opinion...on opinion?

Let's dance... Put on your red shoe's and dance the blues.
 
It's a broad question; answer it as you see fit.

ebola
I was actually talking about this question: "But what does Cartesian metaphysics have to say about social theory?"
Which is not broad at all but I do not understand it.
There were other questions you asked which were quite broad, such as, "What is objectivity? Why should we assume it exists?"
Objectivity begins as a difference between various objects. Objects are similar in ways which are quite profound, but the difference in objects gives them objectivity. Seeing a clod of dirt as a group of particles is approaching the objective. This means staying in focus, not losing sense of how things truly are. Losing objectivity means subjectively looking at it, you simply look at clods of dirt as all the same and ignore their complexities, you can decide which clod is pretty. Each viewpoint has merit and we can never be purely objective or subjective. Looking at things from a rational inescapable view or an interpretive speculative view are both handy.
Everything is objective. Subjectivity is an objective phenomena.
That I exist is not an assumption. By assuming objectivity, you must mean to assume that things other than myself exist as objects.
The only possible answer is that we assume objectivity exists because it does exist. Without objectivity there is no question. If that interpretation were accurate, then it would be accurate to say that nothing other than myself exists.
While that may very well be the case, within myself objectivity exists. Call it pseudo-objectivity or assumed-objectivity. It is a good thing to assume, based on convolution of my subjective experience.
 
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I was actually talking about this question: "But what does Cartesian metaphysics have to say about social theory?"
Which is not broad at all but I do not understand it.

I hear you on that: that question is posed contortedly enough that I'd have trouble fashioning a decent answer. One could posit, roughly, that substance dualism establishes a domain of autonomous selfhood beyond the penetration of socialization. Beyond that, though, I'm not sure where such inquiry would lead.

Objectivity begins as a difference between various objects. Objects are similar in ways which are quite profound, but the difference in objects gives them objectivity. Seeing a clod of dirt as a group of particles is approaching the objective. This means staying in focus, not losing sense of how things truly are. Losing objectivity means subjectively looking at it, you simply look at clods of dirt as all the same and ignore their complexities, you can decide which clod is pretty. Each viewpoint has merit and we can never be purely objective or subjective.

I might be misunderstanding you, but this is not how I understand objectivity versus subjectivity. For me, to be objective is to investigate in a way that is investigator-invariant. Subjective knowledge instead focuses on how the observer imparts judgment on the object of investigation. However, I find it far more useful to subsume the two approaches in an investigation of how particular interactions construct particular dynamics, and in turn particular types of subjects and objects; I find the questions of what the conditions of possibility for 'objectivity' are and what their consequences might be, more useful than attempting to achieve some ideal 'objective' perspective.

Everything is objective. Subjectivity is an objective phenomena.

Aha, but so in some sense is 'objectivity', as that which we come to know is intelligible solely in terms of our experience of it. So this is again why I keep returning to examination of subject-object interaction and their conditions of possibility as logically primary.

By assuming objectivity, you must mean to assume that things other than myself exist as objects.
The only possible answer is that we assume objectivity exists because it does exist.

Yet I'm not sure that I agree with this assumption, at least taking it straightforwardly. In some terms, reality is a complex system, containing numerous investigating subjects within it. In their activity, these subjects participate in the construction of their objects of examination. So yes, some'thing' other than the subject exist, but it does not exist as 'objects' per se, at least apart from the creative transformation that subjects exercise, participating in how subjects are produced in the process.

ebola
 
On Gramsci's Theory of Society:

Gramsci is best known as a theorist of hegemony, of how capitalist rule has been so resilient despite recurring crises, particularly those that led to the ascent of fascism in his home Italy, but also of how revolution achieved apparent success in 'the East' (he means Russia). This is his starting point. Economically, Gramsci is pretty orthodox in his Marxism. Like Marx, Gramsci argues that from "contradictions"* inherent in the the economic base of society arise crises fraught with conflict, and in turn social change or suppression thereof during such periods. However, it is only in terms of an ideological superstructure that individuals realize mere partial, distorted consciousness of these social forces that drive them. However, for Gramsci, the concrete details of industrial capitalism's maturation accord ideology a new role and produce the participants who take on such ideological roles.

Namely, continuingly increasing specialization in the forces of production (ie, the 'technical division of labor') has impelled the development of organic intellectuals. First, technical specialists emerged, tasked with understanding, organizing, and sometimes leading firms (or groups on a similar level of analysis). With further specialization and elaboration of political apparatuses, further specialists emerged, charged with the task of understanding the social class to which they 'attach' functionally and facilitating this class's organization, mobilization, and fulfillment of its interests. So while the finance capitalist could be said to be a 'proto-organic intellectual' of the capitalist class, it is the lobbyist or elected official who comes to function as an organic intellectual proper, helping to organize the capitalist class as a whole, to realize its shared, long-term interests politically. Similarly, we see according development of the organic intellectual of the working class, moving from trade unionism to party politics to revolutionarily oppositional seizure of capital by workers (at least this was the case with Gramsci's flirtations with Italian syndicalism) (this should sound similar to Marx and Lenin, but Gramsci actually provides a plausible mechanism). I should also note that classes in decline produce organic intellectuals too. Gramsci argues that intellectuals specializing in practices like literary study are actually organic intellectuals bound to the 'petite bourgeoisie' (in this case, the remnants of the prior declining nobility and to some extent independent artisan-producers).

For Gramsci, capitalism has remained so resilient even in crisis because of the success afforded by the organic intellectuals of the capitalist class in maintaining hegemony, through both material and ideological means. First and foremost, the dominant class will offer material concessions to those they dominate and exploit in exchange for complicity with status-quo social relations. Typically, the state functions as the primary tool to administer such. This process is active and apparent to those involved, subject to constant struggle and negotiation. The most paradigmatic and readily familiar example is the response of the state to the threat of socialist revolution in the US during the early 1930s, establishing the welfare-state proper. These concessions facilitated continuing, stable accumulation by the capitalist class as a whole; the state functioned to guarantee hegemony in a way groups of competing capitalists could not.

Hegemony is also exercised ideologically, in two ways: first, the political organizations of the dominant class must fashion a forward-looking plan, presented as catering to the general interests of society (this later characteristic appearing pretty clearly in Marx's original writings). Second, well-entrenched capitalist social practices are naturalized over time, the ideological refraction of these practices concealing their root in class-oppression. Most crucially (and enduringly, spanning hundreds of years), we find ourselves inclined to view capitalist economic activity in terms of exchange of commodities and currency among 'formal' (that is, juridical) equals, the conditions of domination and exploitation that shape such exchanges concealed within economic firms' internal practices, made possible mainly by historical legacy of ownership (also found in Marx); put simply, we obey the edicts of our employers because we recognize the validity of their purchase of our labor and claims to ownership of capital. To reject this framework is to oppose what we usually consider natural, unencumbered individual behavior.**

So what of resistance? For Gramsci, the organic intellectuals of the subordinated class must fashion counterhegemonic ideology and organization, presenting an alternative vision for future society and a planned route theretoward, also cast as being in the collective societal interest. They unfortunately usually can't provide many material 'concessions', particularly prior to and in the early stages of revolution, as subordination of economic class entails exploitation. So in further describing counterhegemony, Gramsci elaborates via the (apparent?) dichotomy between the "war of position" and "war of movement". The war of position is struggle for ideological counterhegemony (or maintenance of hegemony, in the case of the dominant class) and establishment or protection of according facilitating organizations, involving transformation or maintenance of all institutions with ideological functions.

On the other hand, the war of movement involves overt, forcible seizure and/or destruction of physical structures and person-to-person violence (or forcible prevention thereof). Gramsci argues that in advanced capitalist societies, hegemony is so ideologically resilient that forcible destruction of capitalist political institutions (ie, a war of movement) is insufficient to establish counterhegemony. Eg, imagine that the entire Washington Mall, the President, his or her top officials, and all federal legislators were destroyed immediately. Gramsci would argue that civil societal institutions and according guiding ideologies would lead us to rebuild a functionally similar capitalist polity (this runs quite roughly parallel to Weber's argument that coups seizing but leaving intact bureaucratized states have nearly entirely replaced revolutions-proper in the modern and contemporary periods), hence the lack of revolution in the industrial capitalist West of his time. However, in contexts where civil society has failed to develop sufficiently, revolutionaries may wage a war of movement with little attention to war of position, shaping civil society in their image once having seized those apparatuses of domination, hence the apparent success of Soviet revolution (but what became of Soviet civil society? What does this say about Gramsci's schematic?). But borrowing from Gramsci temporarily, I don't think that it's that useful to treat the above schematic strictly dichotomously, nor should we necessarily think of these struggles as temporally successive steps.

Bringing things forward:

How does Gramsci speak to contemporary social dynamics, both those of stability and reproduction and those of transformation? How do prior revolutionary struggles speak to Gramsci? How and where should we attempt to steer contemporary social change (or maintain its stability, for those of you who are more right-wing ;))?

ebola

*We must understand "contradiction" as a Marxist-Hegelian dynamic: the present structure of affairs presents the possibility of further realization of human actualization through cooperative laboring, but these possibilities remain unrealized due to how domination by social class suppresses novel, creative collaboration. To resolve such contradiction, communist revolution must excise the class-order (and abolish social classes in general), allowing for unfettered, participatory creative transformation of the external (and social) world. Why "Hegelian"? This schematic mirrors Hegel's account of how consciousness realizes its potential for autonomy, initially through opposition of subject and object via differentiation and experience thereof, but later through transcendence of this conceptual opposition through practices of self-consciousness (involving successively elaborated meta-cognition).

**Why do we think like this? Part of the story is reification: while we view social practices, relations, and actors in terms of seemingly stable representations that emerge within such practices as coordinating cognitive tools, we lose sight of how these practices undergo fluid, uneven transformation throughout history, and even come to mistake static representations for that which they (distortedly) signify. This is merely the beginning of the story of ideology though...
 
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I hope that these author-focused tracts can bear fruit in here:

Bourdieu's theory of society:

Bourdieu attempts to reconcile the exercise of individual freedom with the way in which social structure conditions behavior, and also micro-level interactions with macro-historical factures, via the concept of habitus. He defines it as a "structured structuring structure" (yes, that's verbatim, and not any more elegant in his native French ;)) that is simultaneously shaped by socio-historical context but also generative of behavior. In a very rough sense, the habitus can be thought of as the subconscious. Humans tend to adapt to their specific circumstances in a way that cultivates a disposition to engage in specific behavioral performances, modes of perception, and judgments of phenomena befitting of those circumstances. In this sense, the habitus is creative, as generative of consciousness and behavior. However, in the process of negotiating localized social context and issuing performances per habitus, individuals tend to reproduce prevailing social norms and institutions as the sum accumulation of their actions.

So how does Bourdieu conceive of social structure? He believes that people navigate social space in often competitive interaction, per the 'rules of the game', depending on the particular field (eg, economics, politics, fine art) in which a given social space inheres (to me, Bourdieu is vague about the specific relation between fields and social spaces, as well as the proper scope of fields. Eg, is "professional soccer competition" its own field, or is it an organization inhering in "mass entertainment"?). One's particular position in social space is defined multidimensionally by endowment with varied types of capital, economic and cultural capital proving key. Economic capital is relatively straightforward (and less specific than capital for Marx, encompassing wealth in general). Cultural capital manifests as the ability to spontaneously and effortlessly issue appropriate and even advantageous social performances. From here, Bourdieu defines class as one's position in social space, defined by magnitude and type of capital possessed.

To extract what is most relevant about social spaces, Bourdieu doesn't just work with something analogous to a simple graph with magnitude of one type of capital on one axis and magnitude of another on the other. Rather, we should think of one axis (lets say the vertical one) as expressing sum magnitude of capital and the other axis as the ratio of economic to cultural capital. Near the bottom of our graph, we have lower classes, with the lumpenproletariat at the very bottom (to whom Bourdieu gives little attention) and working classes and small-scale farmers near the bottom. At this point, composition of capital doesn't matter much, as the total quantity of capital is quite small. But toward the top, we have varied upper-classes, with owners of larger firms possessing a higher ratio of economic to cultural capital (particularly with 'new money') and prominent intellectuals possessing a lower ratio of economic to cultural capital (Bourdieu’s France lacks the US's anti-intellectual streak ;)). Bourdieu describes such intellectuals as the dominated fraction of the dominant class. Toward the middle of the spectrum of magnitude of capital, we have small business owners possessing a greater fraction of economic capital and specialists in cultural industries, tertiary educators, etc. possessing a higher ratio of cultural capital, but also professional technicians of various stripes possessing a balanced ratio of capital.

From here, Bourdieu argues that many social interactions can be interpreted as competitive interactions between individuals occupying distinct positions in social space. Actors deploy various types of capital to yield advantage per the rules of the fields in which they operate. Such deployment can take a variety of forms, including the conversion of one type of capital to another. For example, an individual beginning with familial conditions of opulent capital and a high proportion of cultural capital might pursue specialization working as a fine artist. To this end, they might try to convert initial economic capital into cultural capital via educational attainment (building on class-appropriate habitus rooted in earlier upbringing and education). But then in their profession, they will strive to convert cultural capital into economic capital. The fine artist might find themselves compelled to pursue prominence at high-societal gallery showings or even outright patronage, this bringing them into relation with individuals with opulent total capital possessing a higher proportion of economic capital. Through the use of highly refined habitus, the fine artist will ‘attempt’ to preserve the esoteric nature of aesthetic production, appreciation, interpretation, and judgment, to ensure that the benefits they acquire by virtue of their cultural capital are not subject to simple purchase and are not devalued by those of groups lacking their particular habitus (or even devaluation by other fine artists with different sets of skills and who take different approaches to art). Those funding gallery showings and purchasing original artwork may use their interactions with fine artists to distinguish themselves as refined, vis-a-vis those of lower classes and also other capitalists. But capitalists divorced from the field of fine art might ‘in response’ try to devalue the activity of the field, claiming certain genres of work “pretentious” or “meaningless”.

However, as I mentioned, the deployment of habitus tends to reproduce class-position even as people act in competition with other classes. For example, it is typical of lower-classes to take on an interpretation of their cultural practices as exhibiting a type of authenticity and directness absent from those of higher classes. But in a mass-consumptive society, this often entails purchase of low-quality retail goods, preparation and consumption of cheap, ‘simple’ foods, etc., most provided by oligopolic firms. This reinforces stratification of consumer markets, reproducing class-differences as manifest by consumptive habits. Yet via refraction through habitus, individuals interpret these habits as reflecting personal prowess in using “good taste” (as refinement, authenticity, etc., depending on specific class-habitus) to distinguish themselves from others. Thus, insofar as class-history conditions a particular habitus, the this habitus set in motion conceals its social origins while facilitating these origins’ reproduction over time. This point is key, as it is how Bourdieu provides a mechanism through which social systems produce partially understandings of them in the minds of their participants and tend to reproduce their status-quo rather than transform rapidly and voluntaristically.

From such interactions emerges a new type of capital: symbolic capital. Those with the highest endowment of capital are most often able to redefine the rules of the fields and social spaces in which they operate, including in particular the rates of conversion of different types of capital, especially when operating in explicitly political fields. For example, top-level capitalists, professional politicians, and high-level economists have worked in concert to elevate mainstream economics to hold the greatest (in some cases, the only) influence over public policy of all academic fields, competitively devaluing other social sciences in the process. While deployment of symbolic capital might at first appear a source of actors’ autonomous creativity in effecting socio-historical change, those who wield it do so as shaped largely by proclivities of habitus. In this example, it isn’t normally the case that the aforementioned actors endowed with symbolic capital usually understand themselves as redefining social rules to benefit them vis-a-vis other classes. Instead, economics was established as understood as being of greatest objective importance and rigor, per the influence of habitus on interpretation of social science.

(More examples and nuances to follow, if people want...heh, I hope this primer actually...primes discussion. If not, enjoy the free cliff-notes :P)
 
The media affectively controlling the general populations opinion on key things is a worrying one..

The government or indeed the powers that be can slowly implement negative changes to law or society and make the people think they want it that way. ID cards was one that failed but will no doubt be back after some "illegal immigrant" murders hundreds while immigration strangles the job market, benefit system and housing situation to near death. But the news on wars are shaped in such a way people will be for or against whatever side, the news on drugs is told in such a way that people will see drug dealers as youth corrupting murderers, the news on A-list celebrities is just so in your face it forces people to care what celeb cheated on what celeb (distractions from real news, imo).

By increasing news stories and lying about something like mephedrone they made everyone believe it was deadly as fuck, which made ignorant people angry with the government for "allowing" it to be legal which made the government ban it. By writing more stories about break ins or attacks, with emphasis on the "no CCTV", is enough to make people think they need cameras on every street corner. By plastering crappy stories about some celebrities cocaine habit over the front pages distracts people from more important issues. Depending on what they report on and how they word it, they decide what potential prime minister people like. Not reporting on something at all means people are unaware.

The people that control the media (Rupert Murdoch, mostly) control the masses.. And I don't agree with their agenda.

https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2012/05/murd-m25.html
 
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I'm not sure what exactly to quote from that post about Gramsci so I'm just going to do a general response to it:

I think we [society] actually endorse increasing bureaucratization because it provides those of us living in democratic states with a means to appeal to courts and institute punitive measures on specific departments within the governing structure that have overstepped the bounds of their vested authority. Is it really possible to hold a revolution with the peoples' consent when, by and large, we're living fairly comfortably? We're content to put up with a lot of shit, right up to the point where it interferes with our physiological well being (from Maslow's heirarchy of needs) before people are willing to roam the streets in mobs hunting for officials to tar and feather. As the material quality of life continues to rise and plateau globally, I think we may eventually reach a point where wide-scale public revolt becomes inconceivable. Utopian texts have long since foreshadowed such a situation where the public becomes apathetically subservient to the bureaucratic order and we all begin to suffer from the dystopian effects that utopian life is intertwined with.

So then, assuming that wide-scale revolt becomes impossible because too many are invested in the status quo to risk actions that would catastrophically alter it, the only option left for would-be revolutionaries is to devise a way to co-opt the strength of the public without the consent of the public. I think we've already witnessed the vanguard of such a method in action, but as of yet it hasn't been influential enough to be mentioned.
 
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I think we [society] actually endorse increasing bureaucratization because it provides those of us living in democratic states with a means to appeal to courts and institute punitive measures on specific departments within the governing structure that have overstepped the bounds of their vested authority.

To some extent, this is a Weberian argument. He contended that once unleashed, bureaucratic administration would tend to become permanently entrenched due to the efficiency with which it administers and the forms of legitimacy that come with bureaucratic domination (ie, rational-legal authority). More and more, even to the extent that we can any longer imagine alternative forms of administration/domination, they appear undesirable; eg, yes I'm annoyed at the wait at the DMV, but would I prefer that a bribe for the attendant working there be requisite instead? So more and more, even the destabilizing effects of novel charismatic movements tend to just reinforce prevailing bureaucracies, and revolutions tend to be superseded by mere coups.

From a Gramscian perspective, bureaucratic domination becomes a tool via which the capitalist class entrenches its hegemony, providing material concessions via the efficiency of bureaucratic administration, but also functioning ideologically, such administration presenting itself as fair (treating those administered uniformly) and purposively rational (geared toward administration of ends as efficiently as possible, excising spurious, disruptive influences), and thus in the apparent interest of those administered over.

Is it really possible to hold a revolution with the peoples' consent when, by and large, we're living fairly comfortably?

This is really implicit in the concept of hegemony: to the extent that a ruling group secures hegemonic rule successfully, revolutionary ferment remains held at bay. I find it unlikely that counterhegemony could prove plausibly viable if ideological alone, if prevailing hegemony remains successful in delivering material concessions. However, there are indicators that the material bases of hegemony are withering away in the global North, and they're not yet present in the global South.

As the material quality of life continues to rise and plateau globally, I think we may eventually reach a point where wide-scale public revolt becomes inconceivable.

These gains have been uneven and have not been clearly relevant in the global North for the past 30 years or so (per comparison of real wages and profits in the US since ~1972).

the only option left for would-be revolutionaries is to devise a way to co-opt the strength of the public without the consent of the public. I think we've already witnessed the vanguard of such a method in action, but as of yet it hasn't been influential enough to be mentioned.

Gramsci would argue that this would prove unlikely, as 'common members' of social classes are active in negotiation of the material conditions of hegemony and the fashioning of any would-be vanguard's ideology; (even purported but 'disingenuous') counterhegemony tends to appear only in circumstances of material crisis.

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