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What is your opinion on time?

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2CEECS

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What is time? How is time related to consciousness? Are they independent, or rather, inextricably linked?

A mind on 2C-E curious of your thoughts and opinions on the matter...
 
I have recently thought along the lines that some higher force..God if you will...controls time, keeps things moving...that's the only way i can comprehend it sometimes. I'm slightly drunk so sorry if i ain't making much sense.
 
time doesn't exist it could be shifted to whatever we want it to be time was created by man i was tripping once and was trying to comprehend why and fuckin how and it just fucking stops at a point hahah i dont know hahaaha
 
There is a theory that says time is an illusion, created by our own minds. The past is gone, the future's not here yet, all that exists is the moment you're in.

When you think about it time isn't a universal ticking clock somewhere, constant for everyone, it's relative to your point in the universe, your speed etcetera. Time is only required to account for our perception of motion/change.

Why should time move in the direction it does? If we think of time as the fourth axis along which we can move (along with the 3 spacial directions) then why should we not be able to move backwards on it like we can with the other directions - relativity tells us that we can slow down our own experience of the passage of time relative to that of everyone else, so why should we think of it as the constant monodirectional ticking clock that we do? If we can slow down our experience of time by just going fast, then why should the universal hourglass really be emptying?

This non-acceptence of time also does away with the need for an explanation for the universe; it simply always has been and always will be.

This is a really bad explanation of the theory, I'm recalling it from a New Scientist article I read years ago. It was written by Julian Barbour, so it could well be worth looking him up if you're interested.

*edit* I saved you the job and found his website. It looks a bit unscientific, but the man is a respected scientist, not a kook or owt. Have an explore about, the 'ideas' section is a good place to start.

http://www.platonia.com
 
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The second minor modification is implicit in Quantum Mechanics. One of the four famous Heisenberg relations dE * dt > h implies, that 'now' is not 'absolute, and 'infinitely small', as commonly is believed, but has an extension that depends on the energy content of any existing objects. The more mass the object has, the more energy it has, (through E = mc2) and therefore the smaller its 'now'-interval is. This implies, that the 'now' of different objects is different; dependent on how much energy they consist of. From it you can explain how come that electrons that spin around these atoms do not radiate electromagnetic radiation. For if the time they need to revolve around the atom is equal to the 'now' interval, they essentially do not have the 'time' to complete that movement, so that, in a sense, you can say that they do not move. For if they do not move, they do not accelerate, and therefore do not radiate.
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This is a cut and paste from a review of J Barbour's book "The End of Time" which I found incredibly interesting.
 
moving to philosophy and spirituality, mods feel free to what you will with it from there
 
you could calculate the state at time t=10 from the conditions at time t=1. but also, you could take the conditions at time t=10, apply the reverse laws, and calculate what the state would have been at t=1

could there be conscious entities whose perception of time is 'backwards' relative to ours?
 
swifty said:
moving to philosophy and spirituality, mods feel free to what you will with it from there
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Apologies on the incorrect forum. I wasn't sure where it belonged, but this is definitely more proper.

As many of us have, I confronted the subjectivity of time first-hand tonight. Even if time is an objective reality apart from our consciousness, we can in some sense "beat" it by arbitrarily adjusting our conscious perception of it...well, the true "arbitrary" degree of modification will only be seen after future evolution or direct engineering occurs, but that concept relates to consciousness and time as general phenomena.
 
The idea of time I feel is a tool of oppression that creates stress and failure in ones mind. I think time came around the time we forgot who we are and is the padlock to the prison that holds our mind/soul. thus creating the illusion of being inside looking outside instead of being one. Time will control you and it will also kill you.....just depends on your perception of control and death.
 
Time is actually alot more tangible than alot of people seem to think. Time is, according to science, as much a tangible demention as length, width and height, so unless you are going to argue that the area your own body occupies in space is just an illusion, then time is just another part of life that can be calculated and measured just like the distance from here to the moon.
 
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That didn't say it was disproved. Just refined. The term delta-T is replaced by delta-B/(d<B>/dt), which still captures a limitation in our ability to measure time, since the way we measure time is by measuring the change in some observable.

you could calculate the state at time t=10 from the conditions at time t=1. but also, you could take the conditions at time t=10, apply the reverse laws, and calculate what the state would have been at t=1

could there be conscious entities whose perception of time is 'backwards' relative to ours?
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You are touching on the subject of irreversibility and the second law of thermodynamics, which is the only physical law that gives time a direction, and poses an interesting parodox when compared to the laws of mechanics as we know them. All of the laws of mechanics, Newtons laws, Quantum Mechanics, and General Relativity, are all time reversable, meaning if you play the clock backwards all the mechanics will work out the same. Statistical Mechanics, which applies laws mechanics to large statistical ensembles, such as molecules randomly bouncing around in a gas, does predict that an isolated low entropy system will move towards a high entropy system, and maximize its entropy, and that does reflect the behaviour of the real worlds. But the thing is if you play the clock backwards in Statistical Mechanics, it shows that isolated low entropy systems must have originated from higher entropy systems. This is not consistent with the real world, where we don't see, in an isolated system, low entropy originating high entropy.

Now many physicists don't think its a parodox, because they just say the universe was already in a low entropy (somehow due to the big bang - which they can't explain how it happened) and the laws of mechanics are just playing out bringing it to a high entropy. Others are not satisified with that, and are looking for a better explaination. Some of the attempts to work it get into ergodic theory, which is extremely mathematical. The resolution to the paradox seems to have something to do with the issues of measurement and decoherence in QM.
 
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^true, people living in the reverse universe would be experiencing a high to low entropy. i don't see this as a problem, though, because since they're going backwards, they start out at high entropy just like we start out at low entropy
 
Once i threw away my watch in a symbolic refutement of the very concept.
 
qwe said:
my watch got soap on it and now it smells funny so i don't wear it
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Lol yeah. I haven't worn a watch in over 2 years. My dad tried to give me this fancy, expensive kinetic watch for my birthday, but I said, "No thanks" and got nothing.
 
qwe said:
my watch got soap on it and now it smells funny so i don't wear it
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My opinion was asked for, i gave it. No need to be a jerk.
 
time is bullshit.

your mind controlls time, and it can transcend it intirely.

its possible to do thing is the future that affect you now, in the past. its true, ive done it. you can dream the future and then it comes true and you realise you've sent it back to yourself then, its fucked
 
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