What is wrong with the MDMA available today? - v2

[Didgital]

How much time has passed between these sessions ?


Interestingly, the polydrug synergy is reduced when meh-MDMA is administered first. This is explicitly mentioned in the meh-MDMA effects profile.

1st few times i took 7-oh-mitragynine it was very euphoric! Over time it became a strong opioid and lost euphoria. Here, 2 years later... same deal regardless of dose or how long its been since i last took it.

Exact same material that i personally made, and i cannot get the euphoric aspect again, but maybe some gremlins snuck in to my bedroom amd replaced it with meh-7-oh? That must be why i dont get euphoria any more...

 

[Didgital]

I also collected some meh-MDMA for comparison on FTIR (which I have an easy access to) but I never detected any differences in their spectra after removing the excipients with solvent extraction

Youre not an analytical chemist obviously.

Im not either, but i run HPLC, GCMS, UHPLC-Q/TOF-MS systems pretty regularily.

Id say send me a sample of your MEH, but i dont recieve drugs in mail especially from strangers.

Regardless i never seen wierd alpha-m analogues EVER in a sample. Meth yes. Caffeiene frequently but only in pills.

I call bullshit on you. Show me the FTIR chromatogram.

I have dozens of MDMA sample GC/MS reports that i can upload, but they get ignored by people like you so why bother. Scroll back, i already put them up. No comments on them, just more rebuttals from ppl like you.

"I gave some meh out and everyone had meh results" --- thats how you sound.

Upload the FTIR results please. We would all love to see them.

 

[Didgital]

How much time has passed between these sessions ?


Interestingly, the polydrug synergy is reduced when meh-MDMA is administered first. This is explicitly mentioned in the meh-MDMA effects profile.

Waiting to see your chromatogram.
Put your money where your mouth is.

 

[PtahTek]

chromatogram

yes this would be interesting to me.

i would so love to have my own analyzer. i will it into existence. it is written.

so ot:
maybe its been said.
i am not a connoisseur of mdma. only a few dabbles. i do feel it has a lot to do with source - as with anything these day or ever maybe.

planning a roll or flip soon. I want to be in the midst of others when i do to test the waters and my theories.

yall have a safe one whatever it is

over

 

[Esperighanto]

Exact same material that i personally made, and i cannot get the euphoric aspect again, but maybe some gremlins snuck in to my bedroom amd replaced it with meh-7-oh? That must be why i dont get euphoria any more...

I think this thread has pretty conclusively made the point that the interfacing of MDMA with one's subjective neurochemical landscape is what's actually going on here, but dude I want to get another thread going about these gremlins bc I have had a sheet of acid produce progressively less interesting results recently and I'd rather blame goblins than anything else hahahaha.

 

[unodelacosa]

Interestingly, the polydrug synergy is reduced when meh-MDMA is administered first.

Yeah but the polydrug synergy is reduced when MDMA is administered first. What people call "MehDMA", is what I just think of as shitty ecstasy, and that could be for any of a number of very plausible reasons, all with outcomes too similar to delineate from one another via bioassay. MDMA will trigger the massive release of pre-synaptic serotonin it's known for, in which it primarily acts as a serotonin releasing agent, but it also acts as a serotonin reuptake inhibitor, blocking the serotonin transporter eventually, essentially inhibiting its own action after the initial effects. This, among other reasons, is why it's best to re-dose only once, if at all, early into the experience in case you eased into it… However, this also happens to inhibit other serotonergic drugs, like psychedelics.

Meaning to say: it's quite arbitrary to attempt to establish some would-be threshold of MDM-meh*. It will wind up in circular logic, impossible-to-prove subjective claims, and endless "debate" or "discussion" or whatever on this topic, because, by design, the original post held a loaded question that I honestly think was the result of unconscious confirmation bias. It's hella easy to do, and I'm also willing to admit that I may be under the effects of my own confirmation biases. It's virtually impossible to know now as the relevant samples to test for previous claims of sublime MDMA experiences are locked away in the past.

* ☞ this is my version of the term, which I feel rolls off the tongue more easily; saying "MDMA" starts with a "emm" sound, not a "meh" sound; meanwhile it fits in more nicely with the terminating phonetic "m-ay"

This is explicitly mentioned in the meh-MDMA effects profile.

This "effects profile" post from years ago is certainly well-written, educated grammar and syntax, and it cites other works, too. So it comes across authoritative, official, and rigorously studied, proofed and presented or whatever, but let's keep it real, here. You will not find MDM-meh or any version of same in, say, The Merck Manual or any other respected publishing. So it doesn't matter what anecdotal verbiage was used in the original thread post here; nothing about it is "official" or well established in any scientific or medical community as far as I know, but as always I'm open to being proven wrong by evidence…

 

[PsychedelicSummer]

Yeah but the polydrug synergy is reduced when MDMA is administered first. What people call "MehDMA", is what I just think of as shitty ecstasy, and that could be for any of a number of very plausible reasons, all with outcomes too similar to delineate from one another via bioassay. MDMA will trigger the massive release of pre-synaptic serotonin it's known for, in which it primarily acts as a serotonin releasing agent, but it also acts as a serotonin reuptake inhibitor, blocking the serotonin transporter eventually, essentially inhibiting its own action after the initial effects. This, among other reasons, is why it's best to re-dose only once, if at all, early into the experience in case you eased into it… However, this also happens to inhibit other serotonergic drugs, like psychedelics.

As I've mentioned a long time ago, after taking some shitty MDMA crystal which gave black or purple on Marquis, I've tried to take massive amounts of insufflated 2C-B (30-40 mg) or a normal dose of AL-LAD. The absence of effect was completely different to my own and others experiences using real MDMA with psychedelics (I'm talking in the first 2 hours), Interestingly enough, 3-FEA has exactly the same effect on psychedelics.

 

[unodelacosa]

As I've mentioned a long time ago, after taking some shitty MDMA crystal which gave black or purple on Marquis, I've tried to take massive amounts of insufflated 2C-B (30-40 mg) or a normal dose of AL-LAD. The absence of effect was completely different to my own and others experiences using real MDMA with psychedelics (I'm talking in the first 2 hours), Interestingly enough, 3-FEA has exactly the same effect on psychedelics.

Cool story. And so what's your conclusion from this? All of the world's MDMA is obviously 3-FEA then, right? Is that what you're saying? And I should ignore all of my own personal experiences with what I know to be MDMA, because you've figured it all out, and I'm unable to tell the difference between 3-FEA and 3,4-MDMA? If only I had known that all I had to do was take 2C-B or AL-LAD to figure out that the world's MDMA supply has been magically substituted with 3-FEA and that they both test identically on the Marquis. Welp, mystery solved, guys! I know everyone is as satisfied as I am with that answer. All other data is fake and all other opinions are void now. Because you know, there is NO WAY that both legit MDMA and fake MDMA could be on the market at the same time. That's just not possible. And so, who cares that this thread is predicated on a loaded question? There really MUST BE something wrong with today's "MDMA", and that's the fact that today's MDMA is really 3-FEA. Uh derrrrrrrrrrrp. That's good enough for me, derp derp! Derp out.

 

[PsychedelicSummer]

Cool story. And so what's your conclusion from this? All of the world's MDMA is obviously 3-FEA then, right? Is that what you're saying? And I should ignore all of my own personal experiences with what I know to be MDMA, because you've figured it all out, and I'm unable to tell the difference between 3-FEA and 3,4-MDMA? If only I had known that all I had to do was take 2C-B or AL-LAD to figure out that the world's MDMA supply has been magically substituted with 3-FEA and that they both test identically on the Marquis. Welp, mystery solved, guys! I know everyone is as satisfied as I am with that answer. All other data is fake and all other opinions are void now. Because you know, there is NO WAY that both legit MDMA and fake MDMA could be on the market at the same time. That's just not possible. And so, who cares that this thread is predicated on a loaded question? There really MUST BE something wrong with today's "MDMA", and that's the fact that today's MDMA is really 3-FEA. Uh derrrrrrrrrrrp. That's good enough for me, derp derp! Derp out.

You're putting words in my mouth. I've never said that all that's sold as MDMA is Meh. Nor have I said that it's 3-FEA (it obviously isn't).

All I think we can say is that for a period the amount of Meh-reports increased a lot regarding what was sold as MDMA. I do find the overlap in lack of effects for 3-FEA and the Meh when taking psychedelics is interesting as it points to pure serotonin release being a shared mechanism like 5-HT2A competition without DA/NE counter boost.

Same phenomenon has been reported from MDAI and would probably be true for 2,3-MDMA (and I don't think nor claim that the Meh is any of those substances).