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What is the strongest drug you can do and function normally in Society?

K12 said:
Really what this thread is turning into is famous addicts that are idolized by non-famous addicts to justify their ability to function in society?
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i'm an addict and a successful guitarist and my band has been on t.v., is signed to a major label, featured in magazines several times, played(sometimes headlined) concerts and large festivals.

i can say i'm functioning in society quite well...
 
If you use opiates and stop and your puking and laying in bed that is not functioning.

I understand if you can take them and work harder or the same. But over the long hual the shit will take your life from you in almost all cases.
 
gocards27 said:
If you use opiates and stop and your puking and laying in bed that is not functioning.

I understand if you can take them and work harder or the same. But over the long haul the shit will take your life from you in almost all cases.
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I understand where you're coming from but there is still the fact that people want to do it no matter the consequences. You state over the long haul it will screw up your life. I see no difference with opiates for physical/mental pain or just doing them to have fun & people taking benzos & even cigarettes. If im not mistaken, doesnt alcohol & tobacco kill more people than all the other drugs combined?

I can see the argument people make about opiates in the long run but they are no different than any other drug out there whether its legal or illegal, so yes, you can function quite well on opiates for many years & especially if you use them in moderation.
 
gocards27 said:
If you use opiates and stop and your puking and laying in bed that is not functioning.

I understand if you can take them and work harder or the same. But over the long hual the shit will take your life from you in almost all cases.
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Obviously THAT is not functioning... I think most of us are talking about being able to go on w/ daily lives like a normal person... personally H made me more productive than normal as long as I could keep myself in constant supply. It's when you don't have a constant supply that you gotta put in the time to look for it not to mention the "sick days"... I've read about a few physicians who's had morphine addiction for decades and I'm not surprised at all. If it wasn't illegal I might have made the same choice.
 
K'd-OUT-in-AZ said:
Oxycodone is NEVER prescribed for depression, sorry. Doctors are very reluctant in prescribing oxycodone these days. Almost always reserved for severe chronic pain. There are exceptions...but never for depression. Doctors are stingy with oxycodone. Don't get me wrong, its great for depression but ANY opiate is great for depression. Its too bad they cause physical dependence with daily use.
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I can't find the article, but I would not say never. Probably not for me and you though. It can be, but it is rare to find a doctor who is willing to do that. It might have gotten deleted or whatever, but I can't believe everything I read either, right?
 
StaySedated said:
i'm an addict and a successful guitarist and my band has been on t.v., is signed to a major label, featured in magazines several times, played(sometimes headlined) concerts and large festivals.

i can say i'm functioning in society quite well...
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whats your band called?
 
Depressicaa said:
Yes. As far as I understand, amphetamines are the easiest to be functional, as they allow you to have less sleep and more function at the cost of... lifetime I suppose. We feed kids Adderall anyways!

Opiates such as methadone/subtex are really strong, but we see people on maintenance all the time.

Benzos, well they are needed sometimes. For anxious people.

Hydrocodone? Why is that? Oxycotin is sometimes given to depressed individuals and they function very well with it.

Addicts make up little of any population. We can call anyone a stoner, a meth head, dope addict, a coke fiend, if they do it once/sometimes. Psychedelic users are all crazy! But thats all untrue and generalized.
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Oxycontin is sometimes given to depressed people? As in, LEGALLY given to them?

... Where did you hear that?
 
StaySedated said:
opiates are great for depression, esp. oxycodone. not even at doses required for people in pain but low dose(7.5-10mg) oxycodone is very effective at providing a lifted mood(not quite euphoria), stress and anxiety relief, and causing a general increase in motivational thinking/mood.

but addiction from either abuse or physical dependence(with regular use) heavily limits it for other uses. however just like with theraputic long term use with benzos for anxiety(not high dose abuse) or even SSRIs(they have a "discontinuation syndrome" which is a bullshit fancy cover title for withdrawl) if the patient sticks to the lowest effective dose and follows the doctor's orders then a taper is all thats required and its easier than benzos which are more dangerous with dependence and are used long term all the time.

however amphetamines are given for resistant depression and often work wonders, and even though they're addictive they won't cause physical dependence. but still opioids need to be looked into for the treatment of depression.
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Wow... I highly encourage you to learn some facts & educate yourself about what you're talking about BEFORE you go talking about it...

First -- "opiates are great for depression, esp. oxycodone. " ... Why is Oxycodone any better for Depression than all the other painkillers out there? Maybe it's better for YOUR depression than other pain killers, but to say that it's the most helpful painkiller for everybody out there suffering from depression is sheer ignorance. Haven't you ever heard that everybody reacts differently to every substance?

Second -- "oxycodone. not even at doses required for people in pain but low dose(7.5-10mg)" ... What the hell are you talking about? Those are the HIGHER dosages of Oxycodone given to people in pain (not including Oxycontin, which is pretty much only ever prescribed to people with terminal cancer or people in IMMENSE, IMMENSE agony, usually those with chronic back pain... Plus it's extended release). People in moderate to severe pain generally get prescribed 5mg pills, & the instructions on the pill bottle generally says either "Take 1 tablet every 4-6 hours as needed for pain" or "Take 1-2 tablets every 4-6 hours as needed for pain". 7.5mg - 10mg isn't a low dose at ALL for somebody recovering from a severe surgery.

Third -- "however just like with theraputic long term use with benzos for anxiety(not high dose abuse)" ... Most people who end up taking higher dosages of Benzos than they're prescribed do so as a way of "self-medicating" their anxiety. Usually when people "abuse" Benzos in high dosages they're doing so because they were originally prescribed it for anxiety, ended up developing a tolerance, then ended up developing so much of a tolerance that their doctors won't increase their dosage any further, & then the Benzo script they're stuck with ends up not being able to control their anxiety anymore, & they clearly can't function normally or live comfortably at all when their anxiety is insufficiently treated (hence why they were put on Benzos in the first place), so they increase the amount that they take on their own for the purpose of achieving effect therapeutic results. You can't try & seperate people who take Benzos into two "groups" like that.

Fourth -- "or even SSRIs(they have a "discontinuation syndrome" which is a bullshit fancy cover title for withdrawl) " ... This flat out pissed me off, honestly. I mean, how the HELL can you say "just like with Benzos & SSRIs..." ... That's some ignorant shit. Benzos are notoriously addictive, & Benzo withdrawal is perhaps THE worst withdrawal out there, etc etc ... It doesn't have much of a damn thing in common with SSRIs. SSRIs are not addictive... They're actually incredibly safe for nearly everybody who takes them. What's more, most doctors will try somebody suffering from anxiety on an SSRI (often more than one SSRI, not at the same time though of course) BEFORE putting them on a Benzodiazepine, because SSRIs are a TRILLION times safer & less addictive & all that than Benzos are. It's true that one SSRI (Paxil) has been known to cause withdrawal that tappering cannot avoid in about 30% of the people who take it, & somewhat severe withdrawal in less than 10% of the people who take it (not withdrawal anywhere NEAR as bad as Benzo withdrawal)... & Paxil's pretty much never prescribed anymore for that reason. I've gone off of Zoloft cold-turkey at least five times (cold turkey from the maximum prescribed dosage, at that) & noticed absolutely NO withdrawal symptoms.

Fifth -- "benzos which are more dangerous with dependence and are used long term all the time." ... Actually, they're really not used long term all the time at ALL, & usually when somebody is prescribed Benzos for an extended period of time they're prescribed it as a PRN, & are given like 30 pills that are supposed to last them months. Most doctors try everything on someone with Anxiety before giving them even Klonopin. Basically, doctors putting people on Benzos long term is a last-resort type thing, & usually they initially don't intend for the person to be on it long term. Also, people on Benzos long term are usually the types of people who suffer from such bad anxiety that it's crippling.

Sixth -- "however amphetamines are given for resistant depression" ... Not in the US they're not.

Seventh -- "and even though they're addictive they won't cause physical dependence." ... "Addiction" generally entails physical dependence. More importantly, though, what the hell do you mean Amphetamines don't cause physical dependence? Of COURSE they do. People sometimes go out of their fucking MINDS from Amphetamine withdrawal.

Eight -- " but still opioids need to be looked into for the treatment of depression." ... They have been looked into very thoroughly in regards to their potential as effective treatment for Mood Disorders, & they're continuing to be looked into for that purpose today.
 
TheFDA said:
Wow... I highly encourage you to learn some facts & educate yourself about what you're talking about BEFORE you go talking about it...

First -- "opiates are great for depression, esp. oxycodone. " ... Why is Oxycodone any better for Depression than all the other painkillers out there? Maybe it's better for YOUR depression than other pain killers, but to say that it's the most helpful painkiller for everybody out there suffering from depression is sheer ignorance. Haven't you ever heard that everybody reacts differently to every substance?

Second -- "oxycodone. not even at doses required for people in pain but low dose(7.5-10mg)" ... What the hell are you talking about? Those are the HIGHER dosages of Oxycodone given to people in pain (not including Oxycontin, which is pretty much only ever prescribed to people with terminal cancer or people in IMMENSE, IMMENSE agony, usually those with chronic back pain... Plus it's extended release). People in moderate to severe pain generally get prescribed 5mg pills, & the instructions on the pill bottle generally says either "Take 1 tablet every 4-6 hours as needed for pain" or "Take 1-2 tablets every 4-6 hours as needed for pain". 7.5mg - 10mg isn't a low dose at ALL for somebody recovering from a severe surgery.

Third -- "however just like with theraputic long term use with benzos for anxiety(not high dose abuse)" ... Most people who end up taking higher dosages of Benzos than they're prescribed do so as a way of "self-medicating" their anxiety. Usually when people "abuse" Benzos in high dosages they're doing so because they were originally prescribed it for anxiety, ended up developing a tolerance, then ended up developing so much of a tolerance that their doctors won't increase their dosage any further, & then the Benzo script they're stuck with ends up not being able to control their anxiety anymore, & they clearly can't function normally or live comfortably at all when their anxiety is insufficiently treated (hence why they were put on Benzos in the first place), so they increase the amount that they take on their own for the purpose of achieving effect therapeutic results. You can't try & seperate people who take Benzos into two "groups" like that.

Fourth -- "or even SSRIs(they have a "discontinuation syndrome" which is a bullshit fancy cover title for withdrawl) " ... This flat out pissed me off, honestly. I mean, how the HELL can you say "just like with Benzos & SSRIs..." ... That's some ignorant shit. Benzos are notoriously addictive, & Benzo withdrawal is perhaps THE worst withdrawal out there, etc etc ... It doesn't have much of a damn thing in common with SSRIs. SSRIs are not addictive... They're actually incredibly safe for nearly everybody who takes them. What's more, most doctors will try somebody suffering from anxiety on an SSRI (often more than one SSRI, not at the same time though of course) BEFORE putting them on a Benzodiazepine, because SSRIs are a TRILLION times safer & less addictive & all that than Benzos are. It's true that one SSRI (Paxil) has been known to cause withdrawal that tappering cannot avoid in about 30% of the people who take it, & somewhat severe withdrawal in less than 10% of the people who take it (not withdrawal anywhere NEAR as bad as Benzo withdrawal)... & Paxil's pretty much never prescribed anymore for that reason. I've gone off of Zoloft cold-turkey at least five times (cold turkey from the maximum prescribed dosage, at that) & noticed absolutely NO withdrawal symptoms.

Fifth -- "benzos which are more dangerous with dependence and are used long term all the time." ... Actually, they're really not used long term all the time at ALL, & usually when somebody is prescribed Benzos for an extended period of time they're prescribed it as a PRN, & are given like 30 pills that are supposed to last them months. Most doctors try everything on someone with Anxiety before giving them even Klonopin. Basically, doctors putting people on Benzos long term is a last-resort type thing, & usually they initially don't intend for the person to be on it long term. Also, people on Benzos long term are usually the types of people who suffer from such bad anxiety that it's crippling.

Sixth -- "however amphetamines are given for resistant depression" ... Not in the US they're not.

Seventh -- "and even though they're addictive they won't cause physical dependence." ... "Addiction" generally entails physical dependence. More importantly, though, what the hell do you mean Amphetamines don't cause physical dependence? Of COURSE they do. People sometimes go out of their fucking MINDS from Amphetamine withdrawal.

Eight -- " but still opioids need to be looked into for the treatment of depression." ... They have been looked into very thoroughly in regards to their potential as effective treatment for Mood Disorders, & they're continuing to be looked into for that purpose today.
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alright man you need to chill out. seriously, RELAX!!!

i know people who have lost legs who complain less than you.

but, i will clear things up:

first- i ment oxycodone helped me out especially, and i know other people who get better antidepressant effects. it was an opinion.

second- i ment that was a low dose for my tolerance. i was talking about myself, a person without tolerance would definately use a lower dose(thats effective).

third- my doc has put me on benzos for a long time. so have many other people i know. and most people don't raise their doses compulsively like you say.

fourth- i ment both benzos and SSRIs have a withdrawl. i didn't say they were the same, i know of benzo addiction and withdrawl and how it can kill you. but it is a fact that SSRIs when abruptly stopped or the dose is lowered too much can cause a "discontinuation syndrome" which is just a fancy word for withdrawl.

fifth- what world are you living in? yes doctors try different things before perscibing benzos, but they are very commonly given the first time as well. also, i'm given 60 pills temazepam and 60 pills clonazepam a month to be taken daily. daily doses are quite common.

sixth- amphetamines are given for depression in the U.S. after other drugs have failed. and they often work well.

seventh- amphetamines are not physicaly addictive. even though they are quite psychologicaly addictive, they will not cause physical dependence to any degree. thats just a simple fact.

eighth- thats good. so what i first said actually has some promise.

*and lastly(but not least), don't go on ranting and make a big dumbass post telling me how wrong i am when i had to correct you on pretty much every reason on your dumb fuckin list you ignorant piece of shit.
 
TheFDA said:
More importantly, though, what the hell do you mean Amphetamines don't cause physical dependence? Of COURSE they do. People sometimes go out of their fucking MINDS from Amphetamine withdrawal.
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I agreed with all of your post except this. Amphetamine is well documented as not being physically addictive. You kind of proved your own point wrong, you go out of your MIND, thats psychological depndence.
 
I'd say as well crystal meth, with a little bit of monitoring. Everyone(including the people close to me) thinks I haven't touched it or any drugs going on 2 years. In reality, its happens more frequently than that, but I've been able to keep my cool as long as I stay below the 4 day mark.
 
I don't think you can take strong drugs of any kind (opiates, amphetamines, barbiturates, benzodiazepines, psychedelics, etc) and be able to function normally in society. You may be able to get away with it for a long, long time and appear to be "functioning normally" - but eventually the long term effects catch up to you and it will be noticeable that you really aren't functioning normally.

You can disguise it for a while, but eventually it will catch up to you.
 
Function normally? Well, to me none. But if its what society views when I'm high, shiiiit. Prolly speedballs or coke. Maybe 4-MMC. Any stimulant, i can act normal and fool most people. Not at all with hallucinogens though. Downers, maybe. I'm sure I look really stoned, eyes all low although I can still function fine on H or the like.

So, Coke, mephedrone, and H are the strongest while still being functional.
 
StaySedated said:
seventh- amphetamines are not physicaly addictive. even though they are quite psychologicaly addictive, they will not cause physical dependence to any degree. thats just a simple fact.
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Amphetamines ARE physically addictive.

Withdrawal symptoms include fatigue, prolonged sleep, brain wave (EEG) changes, voracious appetite, cardiovascular abnormalities, occasional gastrointestinal cramps, lethargy and, often, severe emotional depression following the 'speed binge' constitute a physiological reaction analogous to the more dramatic withdrawal seen with depressant drugs.
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Link - Canadian Government Commission of Inquiry
 
I can't remember the study, I will look for it when I get home, however it concluded that patients with non-responsive MDD could see positive results from the addition of opiates (I think oxycodone specifically) to their treatmen regime. It was added the was only advisable in patients who were very unlikely to otherwise abuse drugs. I believe the four patients mentioned were all given opiates during in-patient treatment, then perscribed them for some time. With CBT long term relapse was less than patients treated without opiates.
 
K'd-OUT-in-AZ said:
I don't believe addicts are functional. If you can't function without a particular drug I don't consider it functioning.
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What about coffee/cigarettes?

I guess I'm just quibbling over semantics but, I notice that I generally agree with what you're saying in your posts. Care to elaborate on your feelings? (I'm genuinely interested, not asking rhetorically 'cause I disagree).

Edit: Honestly, it's just a semantic thing. There's no need to explain. I can, obviously, understand where you're coming from / what you're trying to say.
 
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