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Do anyone know the % of alkaloids found in poppy seeds ?
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% of what though? Like 50% meaning half if it is morphine or...?
This is a guess, but I would say maybe 1kg of seeds would produce 10 or so mgs of morphine>? So 10%. I have not really gotten that high off seeds before like I have with pharma opiates, but they definately have stopped withdrawal symptoms when I was in need of a maintenance dose in an emergency of running out.
This is a guess, but I would say maybe 1kg of seeds would produce 10 or so mgs of morphine>? So 10%. I have not really gotten that high off seeds before like I have with pharma opiates, but they definately have stopped withdrawal symptoms when I was in need of a maintenance dose in an emergency of running out.
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Yes, I mean the % of the weight that is; morphine, codeine. But 10 mg in 1kg is more like 0,00001% and I doubt it is that percentage.
mydrugbuddy
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sorry to be pedantic but the alkaloids are not in the seeds, rather the seeds are coated in alkaloids, if you are lucky. Shop bought seeds are usuallly washed so all the alkaloids will have gone. The poppies you can buy for 'decorative purposes' contain thousand of seeds but theres no alkaloids on them, for some reason i dont understand. There's no slits on the poppies to indicate that the opium ooze has been extracted so in theory the alkaloids should be on the seeds. Ive tried 3 or 4 times to make PPT to no avail...
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^. This. 1000 times.
limonov
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While above posters are absolutely correct that it's impossible to say exactly, however I have always used the same brand of poppy seed for many years & it has always contained ~60-100mg morphine/per kg.
While you can get high off it, it's still almost non-existant.
While you can get high off it, it's still almost non-existant.
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My AH-7921 withdrawal ended yesterday, Today I mixed 8 oz of seeds with about 600 ml of water, I removed the seeds and drank the solution. I compare the effect to about 40mg of morphine which is quite more then what I was expecting because of the awnsers I got in that thread.
So from my calcul and approximation, MY batch would contain about 0,0016% of alkaloid per weight.
NOTE: This is an APPROXIMATION and no one should take this for a fact.
So from my calcul and approximation, MY batch would contain about 0,0016% of alkaloid per weight.
NOTE: This is an APPROXIMATION and no one should take this for a fact.
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NeighborhoodThreat
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Just because your batch contained that amount (or around that amount) doesn't mean anybody elses batches will. As mentioned before, this question is effectively impossible to answer because of the extreme variation between different poppies, how completely the seeds were washed (or if they were washed at all) and dozens of other factors.
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Just b/c there iss extreme variation does not mean an average cannot be determined. If enough people provided enough guesses/approximations of their own batches over time, I'd imagine we'd ssee a trend where the guessed percentge of alkaloids would fall into a bell curve. And people could then guess where they lay on the curve based on how strong they believe their batch to be. Given this is all based on assumptions and guesses and not facts, but since a lot of pst users take equipotent doses of pharma opiates as well, their guesses may not be sooo off....
Just my 0.02
Just my 0.02
RobotRipping
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^that's true but not very reliable.
alkaloid content can vary massively from very little morphine 10-20mg up to 400mg for a kg. When i was drinking a kg worth of seed water a day, and would switch over to oxycodone/hydromorphone my tolerance was ridiculous, no problem going over 120mg of oxycodone or 16mg (insufflated) of hydromorphone at once. I had a very good source of seeds at the time that was very consistent though. Considering the low oral BA of morphine, there must have been a shit load in the PST i was using.
it's a bit tough to compare as well because there are so many alkaloids in PST that even 100mg morphine along with the alkaloids may seem like a lot more oxycodone if you were to compare them. I think there was a study from Australia examining a bunch of seeds. In most cases, if your source is good, you can expect well over 10-60mg of morphine (as posted above) from a kg, if your seeds are good, you can get extremely high from PST. At first a 1/4 pound would get me significantly high, about the same as 20mg oxycodone without tolerance, not to mention PST would last well over 16 hours.
alkaloid content can vary massively from very little morphine 10-20mg up to 400mg for a kg. When i was drinking a kg worth of seed water a day, and would switch over to oxycodone/hydromorphone my tolerance was ridiculous, no problem going over 120mg of oxycodone or 16mg (insufflated) of hydromorphone at once. I had a very good source of seeds at the time that was very consistent though. Considering the low oral BA of morphine, there must have been a shit load in the PST i was using.
it's a bit tough to compare as well because there are so many alkaloids in PST that even 100mg morphine along with the alkaloids may seem like a lot more oxycodone if you were to compare them. I think there was a study from Australia examining a bunch of seeds. In most cases, if your source is good, you can expect well over 10-60mg of morphine (as posted above) from a kg, if your seeds are good, you can get extremely high from PST. At first a 1/4 pound would get me significantly high, about the same as 20mg oxycodone without tolerance, not to mention PST would last well over 16 hours.
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Poppy Seed Alkaloid Content
The morphine alkaloid percentage in contrast to other alkaloids is approximately 8-14%, according to Wikipedia. (source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poppy_tea#Chemical_composition)
However, this percentage is irrelevant if you're seeking a dose, as poppy seeds contain a lot of alkaloids that are both psychoactive and non-psychoactive (papaverine). Regardless, poppy seeds can contain ~ 80mg-300mg of morphine per kilogram (KG), and it varies greatly depending not necessarily on whether it's washed but on its batch and origin. For example, white poppy-seeds will have no morphine alkaloid yield, yet poppy seeds used as a side-product from Somniferum poppies can contain a high yield. Allegedly, its psychoactivity can roughly be determined on its colour (i.e. blue/black), but this still isn't a means of determining a safe regular dose with no tolerance to opiates.
Poppy Seed Tea Dose for those without a Tolerance
For somebody using poppy seeds with no opiate tolerance then I would suggest 100g originally and, after 2 hours, another 100g, and so on until you reach 300 grams. Only reuse during this procedure if there is no "high" from the product. If 300g is still not enough then your seeds likely have a low batch, and I would try the procedure another time during sobriety using the same dosing method. If, after 3 attempts, there is still no high then consider brewing 300g at once during sobriety and increasing by 100g increments every 2 hours if there is no high until you reach 500g.
How to: My Method
Please be aware that the doses and values applied on this method do not apply to one's traditional dose and in no way would I recommend using the amount suggested below. Simply use your own doses or the one detailed above.
Basically I used to have a big metal kettle/jug that held up to 900grams of seeds. I would use lukewarm water and soak the seeds in the jug with about 1 1/2 cups- 2 cups depending on the yield (700+ for 2 cups). Make sure the water isn't too hot. I would stirr it with a teaspoon until the seeds are all soaked and continue stirring for a minute or two. I would then leave it for 5-10 minutes (preferably 5) and then give it one last quick stirr. I would grab two mugs and put the jug's tea-filter/catchment on one of the mugs (generally they're designed to fit the mugs for personal tea use), and pour the water out. The catchment would filter the seeds, and eventually you learn techniques to stop the seeds from flowing out by using the catchment. I would do a quick rewash if I was desperate after washing the jug and begin with my next pack of seeds and repeat. I'd bag the washed seeds and throw them out in a bin. If you don't have a tea-jug then you can use a boiling jug which has a catchment built into its end.
If that doesn't make much sense then just ask what doesn't sound right. I wrote that fairly quickly from the top of my head.
I found the jug I used to use online, but it's $40. It works miracles for this job, though.
http://www.wayfair.com/Frieling-Prim...1-FLG1563.html
The morphine alkaloid percentage in contrast to other alkaloids is approximately 8-14%, according to Wikipedia. (source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poppy_tea#Chemical_composition)
However, this percentage is irrelevant if you're seeking a dose, as poppy seeds contain a lot of alkaloids that are both psychoactive and non-psychoactive (papaverine). Regardless, poppy seeds can contain ~ 80mg-300mg of morphine per kilogram (KG), and it varies greatly depending not necessarily on whether it's washed but on its batch and origin. For example, white poppy-seeds will have no morphine alkaloid yield, yet poppy seeds used as a side-product from Somniferum poppies can contain a high yield. Allegedly, its psychoactivity can roughly be determined on its colour (i.e. blue/black), but this still isn't a means of determining a safe regular dose with no tolerance to opiates.
Poppy Seed Tea Dose for those without a Tolerance
For somebody using poppy seeds with no opiate tolerance then I would suggest 100g originally and, after 2 hours, another 100g, and so on until you reach 300 grams. Only reuse during this procedure if there is no "high" from the product. If 300g is still not enough then your seeds likely have a low batch, and I would try the procedure another time during sobriety using the same dosing method. If, after 3 attempts, there is still no high then consider brewing 300g at once during sobriety and increasing by 100g increments every 2 hours if there is no high until you reach 500g.
How to: My Method
Please be aware that the doses and values applied on this method do not apply to one's traditional dose and in no way would I recommend using the amount suggested below. Simply use your own doses or the one detailed above.
Basically I used to have a big metal kettle/jug that held up to 900grams of seeds. I would use lukewarm water and soak the seeds in the jug with about 1 1/2 cups- 2 cups depending on the yield (700+ for 2 cups). Make sure the water isn't too hot. I would stirr it with a teaspoon until the seeds are all soaked and continue stirring for a minute or two. I would then leave it for 5-10 minutes (preferably 5) and then give it one last quick stirr. I would grab two mugs and put the jug's tea-filter/catchment on one of the mugs (generally they're designed to fit the mugs for personal tea use), and pour the water out. The catchment would filter the seeds, and eventually you learn techniques to stop the seeds from flowing out by using the catchment. I would do a quick rewash if I was desperate after washing the jug and begin with my next pack of seeds and repeat. I'd bag the washed seeds and throw them out in a bin. If you don't have a tea-jug then you can use a boiling jug which has a catchment built into its end.
If that doesn't make much sense then just ask what doesn't sound right. I wrote that fairly quickly from the top of my head.
I found the jug I used to use online, but it's $40. It works miracles for this job, though.
http://www.wayfair.com/Frieling-Prim...1-FLG1563.html
RobotRipping
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^if you let the seeds sit for 10 minutes, they will start to soak up your pretty morphine laced water!! be cautious of that! i noticed significant differences when i just shaked the shit out of a big juice plastic jug and drained instantly compared to letting it sit, not to mention the taste is much better when you don't let it sit! try it both ways and see if it's any different. Otherwise great information. Vigorous shaking is also a big key to getting the most from your seeds, though morphine is freely soluble in water, shaking makes a hell of a difference in how dark and potent your tea is, for what reason i'm not sure but it does.
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Its nice that you mention that because I thought that infusing them longer would extract more alkaloids, but I got better result from just shaking them for 1 minute in warm water.
RobotRipping
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indeed adding some lemon juice seems to help as well, perhaps just helps getting whatever is on the seeds off them or something about morphine liking the acidity, can't remember anymore as i stopped taking PST quite a while ago. Lemon juice also takes away the bitter taste if nothing else.
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I was wondering, if I boil down the solution to reduce the amount of liquid to drink, could it damage the alkaloids ? or is it ok to do ?
ErgicMergic
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^ Using heat could very well damage the alkaloids. I've only made PST once like this, using 91% isopropyl alcohol and ~200g seeds, making it like regular PST (shaking it hard for 1.5 minutes), then draining immediately without rerinsing another two times like I normally do with water.
Using 91% iso, you can just let it evaporate on a pyrex dish in very much the same evaporating manner that stoners use to make QWISO.
I was left with a barely smokeable, weak, PST extract (this isn't opium; opium involves slicing pods). Smoked a couple hits then scraped up the rest and stuffed two gelcaps with it and took it on the go.
It's basically PST on-the-go.
Using 91% iso, you can just let it evaporate on a pyrex dish in very much the same evaporating manner that stoners use to make QWISO.
I was left with a barely smokeable, weak, PST extract (this isn't opium; opium involves slicing pods). Smoked a couple hits then scraped up the rest and stuffed two gelcaps with it and took it on the go.
It's basically PST on-the-go.Poppy Seed Tea can be really strong or not even work. It just depends on the seeds themselves. The more opium they come into contact with the better they are going to work.
That's why it's best to always start small when trying a new batch. The potency can fluctuate a lot. Making extracts is a waste of time, your better off just washing the seeds and drinking the brew.
Also it's not just morphine, it's a mix of all the alkaloids in opium that contribute to the effect. Papaverine, Codeine, thebaine, noscapine, and finally morphine. All of these alkaloids work together to create the high.
Poppy seed tea has a honey moon period like most opiates. If you find a source for good seeds they will work amazing for awhile. But eventually tolerance will go up and the quality of the seeds will eventually go down. This takes all the fun out of getting high and makes it a constant battle of staying out of withdrawal.
The half life is also really long and the withdrawals can last a lot longer then opiates like oxycodone. So that's why it's one of those things that's best left to once in awhile. Some people like to maintain on them, it's just not always a guaranteed thing since the quality goes up and down.
That's why it's best to always start small when trying a new batch. The potency can fluctuate a lot. Making extracts is a waste of time, your better off just washing the seeds and drinking the brew.
Also it's not just morphine, it's a mix of all the alkaloids in opium that contribute to the effect. Papaverine, Codeine, thebaine, noscapine, and finally morphine. All of these alkaloids work together to create the high.
Poppy seed tea has a honey moon period like most opiates. If you find a source for good seeds they will work amazing for awhile. But eventually tolerance will go up and the quality of the seeds will eventually go down. This takes all the fun out of getting high and makes it a constant battle of staying out of withdrawal.
The half life is also really long and the withdrawals can last a lot longer then opiates like oxycodone. So that's why it's one of those things that's best left to once in awhile. Some people like to maintain on them, it's just not always a guaranteed thing since the quality goes up and down.
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